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My experiences that suggest an intelligent force exists

What kind of fool would be entertained by what for most people is a boring existence? Who would choose this as an afterlife? The uses you suggest for the simulated world are utterly at odds with the reality of it. If they want entertainment, why don't they just simulate interesting stories? Hollywood doesn't make movies about dull ordinary events. If they want an afterlife, why simulate such a miserable one? This world is too wasteful of materials to be a deliberate simulation, which has ALWAYS been my point.
 
Sarpedon said:
Hollywood doesn't make movies about dull ordinary events.
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Wasn't that the theme of Seinfeld?


But, yeah, All ex's examples of entertainment simulations, the players KNOW they're in a simulation. Which makes the point pointless for explaining US being in a simulation of unending duration for no apparent reason.
 
Unless we are all NPCs in Donald Trump's fantasy adventure.
 
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Unless we are all NPCs in Donald Trump's fantasy adventure.
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Trump would not PAY for a simulation that held a character like me to wish I could cast a spell so that every time he lies, a tablespoon of shit came out of his ear. He would definitely want his money back from that.

But if I were in Hillary's fantasy adventure, I would have the ability to do that...
 
We are in fact within a simulation created by our own minds. But unlike the typical computer simulation, we the observer are part of it.
 
Keith&Co. said:
Sarpedon said:
Hollywood doesn't make movies about dull ordinary events.
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Wasn't that the theme of Seinfeld?

But, yeah, All ex's examples of entertainment simulations, the players KNOW they're in a simulation. Which makes the point pointless for explaining US being in a simulation of unending duration for no apparent reason.
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Actually in the Rick and Morty episode only Rick initially knows he's in a simulation and Jerry only finds out once it is over. Then it turns out they're inside a simulation within that simulation. In the Matrix almost everyone in it doesn't know they're in a simulation. In the Thirteenth Floor and eXistenZ they don't know they're in a simulation inside a simulation until the end.
 
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What kind of fool would be entertained by what for most people is a boring existence?
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Well I'd enjoy being in a Groundhog Day scenario... at least for a while.

Who would choose this as an afterlife?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_J._Tipler#The_Omega_Point_cosmology
In Tipler's "Physics of Immortality" I think he is talking about a simulation (or emulation) and it might involve more interesting scenarios rather than the simulation being like we are in now.

The uses you suggest for the simulated world are utterly at odds with the reality of it. If they want entertainment, why don't they just simulate interesting stories? Hollywood doesn't make movies about dull ordinary events.
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What about the Sims? Or games that involve crafting, etc. If people have a boring life that is their fault. They value security.

If they want an afterlife, why simulate such a miserable one?
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This is a related blog I wrote:
https://www.giraffeboards.com/blog.php?b=1573

This world is too wasteful of materials to be a deliberate simulation, which has ALWAYS been my point.
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What about the Matrix though? That is an example where lots of people that are players (not NPCs) have boring lives....
 
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excreationist said:
Keith&Co. said:
Sarpedon said:
Hollywood doesn't make movies about dull ordinary events.
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Wasn't that the theme of Seinfeld?

But, yeah, All ex's examples of entertainment simulations, the players KNOW they're in a simulation. Which makes the point pointless for explaining US being in a simulation of unending duration for no apparent reason.
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Actually in the Rick and Morty episode only Rick initially knows he's in a simulation and Jerry only finds out once it is over. Then it turns out they're inside a simulation within that simulation. In the Matrix almost everyone in it doesn't know they're in a simulation. In the Thirteenth Floor and eXistenZ they don't know they're in a simulation inside a simulation until the end.
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but those are not entertainment simulations, so not really a response to that post.
 
excreationist said:
Well I'd enjoy being in a Groundhog Day scenario... at least for a while.
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but, you are not.
So, again, who would pay for a chance to live the life YOU ARE CURRENTLY EXPERIENCING? Explain how, why THIS LIFE is a simulation, not something else you'd rather be doing.
 
Keith&Co. said:
excreationist said:
Actually in the Rick and Morty episode only Rick initially knows he's in a simulation and Jerry only finds out once it is over. Then it turns out they're inside a simulation within that simulation. In the Matrix almost everyone in it doesn't know they're in a simulation. In the Thirteenth Floor and eXistenZ they don't know they're in a simulation inside a simulation until the end.
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but those are not entertainment simulations, so not really a response to that post.
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Actually in eXistenZ it is for entertainment and in Thirteenth Floor I think it was originally made for research but people use it for entertainment.
Here's another example of a simulation used as entertainment:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szzVlQ653as&feature=youtu.be&t=22

So, again, who would pay for a chance to live the life YOU ARE CURRENTLY EXPERIENCING? Explain how, why THIS LIFE is a simulation, not something else you'd rather be doing.
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Well people seem to pay for being Roy (see previous link). Anyway I'm not saying that every person's life could be used for entertainment though I'd be interested in being someone else. And I don't strongly believe I'm in a simulation - I more strongly believe in post #128 - I think there is an intelligent force but I'm not sure about it involving love.
 
What about the Matrix though? That is an example where lots of people that are players (not NPCs) have boring lives....
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Jesus Christ. If you are incapable of forming a thought that you didn't first see on TV, at least get it right: The people in the Matrix weren't Players. They didn't choose, or pay to be there. The film's big dumb premise was that was that the Matrix deliberately made them a stultifying existence so it could use them for power.

Why don't you turn the TV off and go out and live.
 
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What about the Matrix though? That is an example where lots of people that are players (not NPCs) have boring lives....
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Jesus Christ. If you are incapable of forming a thought that you didn't first see on TV,
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What about the connect 4 game and the upside-down Bible and the songs I heard? What does that have to do with TV?

at least get it right: The people in the Matrix weren't Players. They didn't choose, or pay to be there. The film's big dumb premise was that was that the Matrix deliberately made them a stultifying existence so it could use them for power.
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In the Matrix they aren't NPCs - they aren't purely simulated - so they're players. Say you were in a simulation right now - are you saying that since you "didn't choose, or pay to be there" then you aren't a player? If you aren't a player then you're a NPC. BTW if my consciousness was very long-lasting (due to being in lots of simulations) to end boredom and make things more of a challenge I'd want my memory that I'm in a simulation temporarily taken away.

Why don't you turn the TV off and go out and live.
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Actually I hardly ever watch TV... I mainly just Neighbours. I watch a lot of Youtube though.
About simulations that doesn't talk about movies/TV (I think) but it talks about Doom.
https://www.simulation-argument.com/simulation.html
 
Keith&Co. said:
excreationist said:
excreationist said:
The Bible being printed upside down was even more significant because I had been reading a Bible upside down recently...
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Here is proof of the sealed upside down Bible I got:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4Ni1yndxGE
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Dude, i got a copy of The Hobbit where chapter2 was replace with ten pages of chapter 1 all over again.
Not a miraculous happenstance.
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I'm not saying the laws of physics were broken - just that it was highly significant, same with the connect 4 game - which I had previously linked to being about the meaning of life (what's 6 x 7). The Bible and those songs relate to a higher power and suicide. Maybe a retrocausal intelligence tweaked events a bit so that those things could happen. That's just what I believe - I'm not saying I've 100% proved it. BTW a large percentage of the world including a lot of scientists also believe there is an intelligent force.
 
Stop playing semantics with me. The fact that your half witted PC vs NPC categorization can't handle the situation presented in the matrix is an indictment of your stupid worldview, not my argument. The simplemindedness of your whole thing is evident at every turn, when you misinterpret or fail to see the point of every objection anyone in this thread brings up. You are obsessed with an idea, and refuse to let it go. You hold up pop culture as an alternative to science, and you regard a misprint as an error in the universe, rather than a printing process. Time to check yourself back into the psych ward.
 
Sarpedon said:
Stop playing semantics with me. The fact that your half witted PC vs NPC categorization can't handle the situation presented in the matrix is an indictment of your stupid worldview, not my argument. The simplemindedness of your whole thing is evident at every turn, when you misinterpret or fail to see the point of every objection anyone in this thread brings up. You are obsessed with an idea, and refuse to let it go. You hold up pop culture as an alternative to science, and you regard a misprint as an error in the universe, rather than a printing process. Time to check yourself back into the psych ward.
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You seemed to ignore this non-TV/non-movie related article about being in a simulation:
https://www.simulation-argument.com/simulation.html
I'm only spending several minutes a day on this topic. BTW would you say Neo is a "player"? If so, then the other humans in Matrix are at least potential players.
"regard a misprint as an error in the universe"
No that isn't true - I think it *could* involve an intelligent force - soon after I was reading a Gideon's Bible upside down (for the first and only time) I received that Bible as a present from my sisters who are obsessed with Christianity. (one has written 4 Christian books)
If you want to see what I actually have been obsessed with in the past week or two, see:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC70CKBisz2UmI5A1inwOwmw
 
Well, I am convinced. There is a god.

I was in Seattle for one night last week. The bill came to $223.24 for one night in the Airport Marriott.

I gassed up my rental car before turning it in. The gas bill came to $23.24.

I had dinner in the hotel's restaurant. That meal GAVE ME GAS!

This is exactly the sort of thing I would do if I were a supreme deity. Or even a minor deity. These subtle connections that no one notices until four days later when they're doing their expense report.

I could maybe make it clear that one should not create or consume child pornography, because such people will ALWAYS end up impaled on the horns of a fiberglass cow outside of a dairy in a freak accident. You know, UNDENIABLE evidence of my presence, attention, and morality.
Or I could make it clear by, say, causing arsonists to burn at the exact same time and temperature as whatever building they've set aflame, without even scorching the vinyl they're sitting on.

But, no, that's too flashy. The guy responsible for all of existence, including supernovas, solar flares, and Lynda Carter, doesn't want to grab attention, he wants subtle signs. Hints. Little coincidences...
 
Keith&Co. said:
Well, I am convinced. There is a god.

I was in Seattle for one night last week. The bill came to $223.24 for one night in the Airport Marriott.

I gassed up my rental car before turning it in. The gas bill came to $23.24.

I had dinner in the hotel's restaurant. That meal GAVE ME GAS!

This is exactly the sort of thing I would do if I were a supreme deity. Or even a minor deity. These subtle connections that no one notices until four days later when they're doing their expense report.

I could maybe make it clear that one should not create or consume child pornography, because such people will ALWAYS end up impaled on the horns of a fiberglass cow outside of a dairy in a freak accident. You know, UNDENIABLE evidence of my presence, attention, and morality.
Or I could make it clear by, say, causing arsonists to burn at the exact same time and temperature as whatever building they've set aflame, without even scorching the vinyl they're sitting on.

But, no, that's too flashy. The guy responsible for all of existence, including supernovas, solar flares, and Lynda Carter, doesn't want to grab attention, he wants subtle signs. Hints. Little coincidences...
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Where do I sign up? Is gas optional?
 
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What about that connect 4 thing though... it was the FIRST time I'd ever counted how many were yellow and how many were red... I counted them because I thought it was related to the MEANING OF LIFE THE UNIVERSE AND EVERYTHING (42, 6x7). (i.e. it is a significant number) There are meant to be 21 of each since it is possible to have a tied game. (the upside down Bible was also after the first time I'd read the Bible upside down). There was still a total of 42. Also there were 19 and 23 - that would be less likely than 20 and 22.... and 19 and 23 are prime numbers.
BTW at least once or twice I'd leave the game like that and when I'd come back the set was filled up again except the pieces were mixed up. I think it would be staff trying to get me to forget about it.
 
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