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It appears there is confusion as to what is meant by the term. Here is a good definition that I've found.

https://corpwatch.org/article/what-neoliberalism

A bit:
Around the world, neo-liberalism has been imposed by powerful financial institutions like the International Monetary Fund (IMF), the World Bank and the Inter-American Development Bank. It is raging all over Latin America. The first clear example of neo-liberalism at work came in Chile (with thanks to University of Chicago economist Milton Friedman), after the CIA-supported coup against the popularly elected Allende regime in 1973. Other countries followed, with some of the worst effects in Mexico where wages declined 40 to 50% in the first year of NAFTA while the cost of living rose by 80%. Over 20,000 small and medium businesses have failed and more than 1,000 state-owned enterprises have been privatized in Mexico. As one scholar said, "Neoliberalism means the neo-colonization of Latin America."

In the United States neo-liberalism is destroying welfare programs;
attacking the rights of labor (including all immigrant workers); and
cutbacking social programs. The Republican "Contract" on America is pure
neo-liberalism. Its supporters are working hard to deny protection to
children, youth, women, the planet itself -- and trying to trick us into
acceptance by saying this will "get government off my back." The
beneficiaries of neo-liberalism are a minority of the world's people. For
the vast majority it brings even more suffering than before: suffering
without the small, hard-won gains of the last 60 years, suffering without
end.
 
So... neoliberalism means bad?

Sorry if I’m being dense, but I’m not seeing anything like a definition in there anywhere. It seems to pretty much just lump a bunch of bad shit together and slap a label on it with no real explanation.


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So... neoliberalism means bad?

Sorry if I’m being dense, but I’m not seeing anything like a definition in there anywhere. It seems to pretty much just lump a bunch of bad shit together and slap a label on it with no real explanation.


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Don't be sorry, sometimes it's just part of the human condition. I wouldn't dare hold it against you.
 
So... neoliberalism means bad?

Sorry if I’m being dense, but I’m not seeing anything like a definition in there anywhere. It seems to pretty much just lump a bunch of bad shit together and slap a label on it with no real explanation.

I don't see a definition either. What is Neo-Liberalism? Dictionary.com likens it to free-market capitalism. So Republicans are Neo-Liberal? Doesn't that just confuse things?
 
Okay, the two of you are correct, it is not a "definition", it is more accurate to call the link an explanation of neoliberalism. My apologies.
 
Okay, the two of you are correct, it is not a "definition", it is more accurate to call the link an explanation of neoliberalism. My apologies.

But the author seems to be linking neo-liberalism to the results of crony-capitalism that has certainly caused problems rather than to free market capitalism.
 
Damn. I was ready to take the OP to the bank and start bloviating about neo-liberalism and how it's wrecking everything.
Now it turns out to be nothing more than a hifalutin' variation of "bad shit".
 
The opinion piece in the OP is from 1997 and references the Republican 1994 Contract with America. Don't know how relevant this is for today; a lot has changed. Still don't know what is meant by neoliberal.
 
Damn. I was ready to take the OP to the bank and start bloviating about neo-liberalism and how it's wrecking everything.
Now it turns out to be nothing more than a hifalutin' variation of "bad shit".

Isn't that called bipolar or something? :)
 
The opinion piece in the OP is from 1997 and references the Republican 1994 Contract with America. Don't know how relevant this is for today; a lot has changed. Still don't know what is meant by neoliberal.

At least you now know what I mean when I say it.
 
I think neo-liberalism is like all other political ideological terms. It's meaning is never clear. Far left people think that mainstream or traditional liberals are conservatives and far right people think that mainstream conservatives are liberals. Both groups think that centrists are awful. When I've taken one of those little tests that are supposed to evaluate your political positions, I always come out as mid left of center, but some people on this board think I'm a conservative, while others probably think I'm a bleeding heart liberal. It's all subjective, imo.

Maybe it's better to discuss individual ideas instead of labeling everything. Just a thought. I myself am a capitalist -socialist -centrist- libertarian. See what I mean? I could support at least one or more positions in each of those categories. So, imo, there is no perfect system, but the best ones are a mix.
 
I think neo-liberalism is like all other political ideological terms. It's meaning is never clear. Far left people think that mainstream or traditional liberals are conservatives and far right people think that mainstream conservatives are liberals. Both groups think that centrists are awful. When I've taken one of those little tests that are supposed to evaluate your political positions, I always come out as mid left of center, but some people on this board think I'm a conservative, while others probably think I'm a bleeding heart liberal. It's all subjective, imo.

Maybe it's better to discuss individual ideas instead of labeling everything. Just a thought. I myself am a capitalist -socialist -centrist- libertarian. See what I mean? I could support at least one or more positions in each of those categories. So, imo, there is no perfect system, but the best ones are a mix.

Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way. We don't get to choose the cream from every concept and mix-match them to gain a system.

We don't get to say we'll have children and then not have to deal with all the difficulties that go along with children from changing diapers to helping with the homework to guiding them away from making potentially catastrophic decisions. Everything we do or choose to do requires work, and compromise, and negotiating. Any economic or political system is no different, but we must make a stand for radical change somwhere if our children and grandchildren are going to have any chance of a fair existence.

We've given capitalism its due. It's failed far too many of us for far too long and left us in a position where we're at constant war, where the planet is wired to explode or ready to self-destruct. At what point do we say enough and get to work to make serious change?
 
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We've given capitalism its due. It's failed far too many of us for far too long and left us in a position where we're at constant war, where the planet is wired to explode or ready to self-destruct. At what point do we say enough and get to work to make serious change?
It is true that capitalism is far from perfect but then it has raised the standard of living of the poor under the system much higher than any other system yet tried.

If you get to work to make a serious change to a better system then you first need to get to work and think up a new system that hasn't already been proven to be much worse.
 
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Okay, the two of you are correct, it is not a "definition", it is more accurate to call the link an explanation of neoliberalism. My apologies.

??? It doesn’t seem like an explanation either. As in, it doesn’t explain anything at all! It essentially says “hey look, here’s a bunch of bad things with no perceivable pattern or unifying commonality... so neoliberalism bad!”

I don’t even know wtf neoliberalism is supposed to be. That article certainly doesn’t illuminate anything. Neither do your acerbic responses.


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I myself am a capitalist -socialist -centrist- libertarian. See what I mean? I could support at least one or more positions in each of those categories.

Sohy, you’re the perfect example of a normal person who uses her brain! That’s why I like you!


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Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way. We don't get to choose the cream from every concept and mix-match them to gain a system.
Yes, yes we do actually. Because, you know, reality is real. And almost all of the economies in the world are a mix of “isms”. Because- again, reality - all of the pure ideologies are horseshit.



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Okay, the two of you are correct, it is not a "definition", it is more accurate to call the link an explanation of neoliberalism. My apologies.


I don’t even know wtf neoliberalism is supposed to be. That article certainly doesn’t illuminate anything. Neither do your acerbic responses.
There isn't much help I can offer to neoliberals in denial. I get the conditioning that dictates the denial because I've been there, but like any addict, it begins with self-recognition. I can't do that for you. Sorry!

But as I've stated earlier, when you see me use the term, you now have a reference point.
 
Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way. We don't get to choose the cream from every concept and mix-match them to gain a system.
Yes, yes we do actually. Because, you know, reality is real. And almost all of the economies in the world are a mix of “isms”. Because- again, reality - all of the pure ideologies are horseshit.



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Talk about acerbic responses. :)

And reality sucks right now for a lot of people. That reality is the consequences of neoliberal policies. I know you can't see it, and that's too bad because you're a hell of a good fighter and I'd love to have you on my side, but again, can't have all the cream.
 
It is true that capitalism is far from perfect but then it has raised the standard of living of the poor under the system much higher than any other system yet tried.

If you get to work to make a serious change to a better system then you first need to get to work and think up a new system that hasn't already been proven to be much worse.
But the author seems to be linking neo-liberalism to the results of crony-capitalism that has certainly caused problems rather than to free market capitalism.
Sorry, Bud, but I won't be following you down any rabbit holes.
 
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