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New Pew religious survey released

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U.S. Public Becoming Less Religious

Modest Drop in Overall Rates of Belief and Practice, but Religiously Affiliated Americans Are as Observant as Before
Is the American public becoming less religious? Yes, at least by some key measures of what it means to be a religious person. An extensive new survey of more than 35,000 U.S. adults finds that the percentages who say they believe in God, pray daily and regularly go to church or other religious services all have declined modestly in recent years.
But the Pew Research Center study also finds a great deal of stability in the U.S. religious landscape. The recent decrease in religious beliefs and behaviors is largely attributable to the “nones” – the growing minority of Americans, particularly in the Millennial generation, who say they do not belong to any organized faith. Among the roughly three-quarters of U.S. adults who do claim a religion, there has been no discernible drop in most measures of religious commitment. Indeed, by some conventional measures, religiously affiliated Americans are, on average, even more devout than they were a few years ago.
The 2014 Religious Landscape Study is a follow-up to an equally extensive survey on religion in America, conducted in 2007. An initial report on the findings from the 2014 study, released in May 2015, described the changing size and demographic characteristics of the nation’s major religious groups. This report focuses on Americans’ religious beliefs and practices and assesses how they have changed in recent years.
The share of U.S. adults who say they believe in God, while still remarkably high by comparison with other advanced industrial countries, has declined modestly, from approximately 92% to 89%, since Pew Research Center conducted its first Landscape Study in 2007.1 The share of Americans who say they are “absolutely certain” God exists has dropped more sharply, from 71% in 2007 to 63% in 2014. And the percentages who say they pray every day, attend religious services regularly and consider religion to be very important in their lives also have ticked down by small but statistically significant margins.
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I note that disbelief in God is up to 11% which agrees with recent surveys from Gallup. Google Pew for more. Apparently there is also a big political divide among Democrats and Republicans.

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Fewer than two-thirds of Democrats and Democratic-leaning adults now identify with any branch of Christianity, down 11 percentage points since 2007. Meanwhile, nearly three-in-ten Democrats say they have no religion, up 9 points in recent years. Religious “nones” now constitute the single largest religious category in the Democratic coalition. As recently as 2007, mainline Protestants, evangelical Protestants and Catholics were each about as numerous as – or more numerous than – the religiously unaffiliated among Democrats and Democratic-leaning adults.

Religious “nones” also are growing within the Republican coalition, but they are doing so at a slower rate; 14% of Republicans and Republican-leaning adults now say they have no religious affiliation, up modestly from 10% in 2007. More than eight-in-ten Republicans continue to identify with Christianity, including nearly four-in-ten Republicans and Republican-leaning adults who identify with evangelical Protestant denominations.
While the religious “nones” are growing within the population as a whole and especially among Democrats, their potential political impact is mitigated by comparatively low levels of engagement in the political process. About seven-in-ten adults who identify with a religion (71%) say they are sure they are registered to vote, but just 62% of religious “nones” say the same. And exit polls show that as a share of the electorate, religious “nones” are growing very slowly. In the 2012 presidential election, for instance, 12% of voters identified themselves as religiously unaffiliated, which was identical to the share in 2008 and only slightly higher than the shares in 2004 (10%) and 2000 (9%).
 
The religious composition of the two major political groups in the US, behaves as one would expect.

What is interesting is that "nones" don't seem to be swayed by atheist arguments, now available more than ever before, to make the move into atheism. It seems to them sufficient not to participate with any particular church, which doesn't attract them either. Curious.
 
The religious composition of the two major political groups in the US, behaves as one would expect.

What is interesting is that "nones" don't seem to be swayed by atheist arguments, now available more than ever before, to make the move into atheism. It seems to them sufficient not to participate with any particular church, which doesn't attract them either. Curious.

I think a whole lot of "nones" are more apatheist than "Atheist" with a capital A.
 
The religious composition of the two major political groups in the US, behaves as one would expect.

What is interesting is that "nones" don't seem to be swayed by atheist arguments, now available more than ever before, to make the move into atheism. It seems to them sufficient not to participate with any particular church, which doesn't attract them either. Curious.

I think a whole lot of "nones" are more apatheist than "Atheist" with a capital A.

One thing religion and politics have in common is that most people don't think about either, most of the time.
 
89% of Americans believe in God. That means 11% do not, and can then be called atheists. This seems mostly prevalent in the younger cohorts of Americans. Another point of interest is the number of Americans who believe in God is among younger millenials 80% but only 50% with absolute certainty. So younger millenials have a 20% disbelief in God rate,and for many, their belief is not certain. Interesting. Bad news though for Democrats, younger Americans do not turn out to vote reliably. Only 36% claim religion is important in their lives. Among Democrats, the Nones is the biggest religious group with 28%. The Nones report that 33% do not believe in God or a Universal Spirit. It is interesting to see that all cohorts report a "regular feeling of spiritual, well being, wonder about the universe. 40% of religious unafilliated do so about once a week. Flaws in this study - does not include political independents. Does not explore the growing number of Americans who report they do not belong to any particular religion.
 
The religious composition of the two major political groups in the US, behaves as one would expect.

What is interesting is that "nones" don't seem to be swayed by atheist arguments, now available more than ever before, to make the move into atheism. It seems to them sufficient not to participate with any particular church, which doesn't attract them either. Curious.

I think a whole lot of "nones" are more apatheist than "Atheist" with a capital A.

Ya, it's difficult for any type of argument to get through the "I don't particularly give much of a shit" rebuttal to that argument.
 
The religious composition of the two major political groups in the US, behaves as one would expect.What is interesting is that "nones" don't seem to be swayed by atheist arguments, now available more than ever before, to make the move into atheism. It seems to them sufficient not to participate with any particular church, which doesn't attract them either. Curious.
I think a whole lot of "nones" are more apatheist than "Atheist" with a capital A.
It looks to me like slowly but surely younger cohorts are becoming more amenable to atheism. Younger millenials seem to have an increasing disbelief rate. Among the religiously unafiliated, belief in God has dropped since 2007 from 70% to 61%. If you are rooting for growth in Atheism, that's encouraging. Look for much sputtering and ranting from right winger radio over this as soon as it gets noticed. NPR already did a story on this survey this morning.
 
Just 11%?

That's discouraging.

As a single man who has the one standard of never dating a Christian woman again, this only ads to my fear of ongoing, somewhat self-imposed celibacy.
 
The religious composition of the two major political groups in the US, behaves as one would expect.

What is interesting is that "nones" don't seem to be swayed by atheist arguments, now available more than ever before, to make the move into atheism. It seems to them sufficient not to participate with any particular church, which doesn't attract them either. Curious.

This is actually part of a long old trend in America or people who say "I'm religious, I just don't like organized religion," which if I'm not mistaken started picking up steam during the tumultuous 1960s when Christianity became closely associated with opposing race reforms, opposing women's rights, and supporting the Vietnam war.
 
I would not be too down about the numbers.

Old people are dying off and young people are rising up.

and not everyone who believes in god, believes in the same god
 
"Hey, I may not believe in God, but don't you dare call me an atheist!"

Said lots and lots of people.
 
"Hey, I may not believe in God, but don't you dare call me an atheist!"

Said lots and lots of people.


Yes, a lot of people who answer surveys that they do not believe in God do not self identify as atheists. And not just in the US. This tendency is exhibited in France for example.
 
I think there are a number of people today who engage in a sort of neo-deism for which they have no name or any thought out meaning. So when asked on surveys they feel compelled to say they are theist, since they do have some sort of vague god belief.
 
I think there are a number of people today who engage in a sort of neo-deism for which they have no name or any thought out meaning. So when asked on surveys they feel compelled to say they are theist, since they do have some sort of vague god belief.

In a 2006 Baylor survey, 15% of self described Christians sate that they believed that nature and its laws was God.

http://www.baylor.edu/content/services/document.php/33304.pdf

"
Type D: Distant God
: Believers in a Distant God think th
at God is not active in the world
and not especially angry eith
er. These individuals tend towa
rds thinking about God as a
cosmic force which set the laws of nature in
motion. As such, God does not “do” things
in the world and does not hold clear opini
ons about our activities or world events. "
 
The religious composition of the two major political groups in the US, behaves as one would expect.

What is interesting is that "nones" don't seem to be swayed by atheist arguments, now available more than ever before, to make the move into atheism. It seems to them sufficient not to participate with any particular church, which doesn't attract them either. Curious.

I think a whole lot of "nones" are more apatheist than "Atheist" with a capital A.


The dominant theist culture, with the help of both pop-culture and the "news", continues to paint "atheists" as amoral outsiders with no regard for community, etc.. Most "non-believers" still aren't self-reflective enough to challenge and purge their thinking of these assumptions that they don't even realize they hold. They have a vague negative feeling about the word "atheism" and that is enough to prevent them from checking it when they could play it safe and just check "none". Also, there is the adolescent "I don't want to be categorized" sentiment that makes "none" more appealing that "atheist", even if atheist is perfectly accurate is signalling what they believe and don't believe regarding God.
 
I think there are a number of people today who engage in a sort of neo-deism for which they have no name or any thought out meaning. So when asked on surveys they feel compelled to say they are theist, since they do have some sort of vague god belief.

In a 2006 Baylor survey, 15% of self described Christians sate that they believed that nature and its laws was God.

http://www.baylor.edu/content/services/document.php/33304.pdf

"
Type D: Distant God
: Believers in a Distant God think th
at God is not active in the world
and not especially angry eith
er. These individuals tend towa
rds thinking about God as a
cosmic force which set the laws of nature in
motion. As such, God does not “do” things
in the world and does not hold clear opini
ons about our activities or world events. "

Agreed. The word "God" has no reliable shared meaning, thus answering "yes" to the question "Do you believe in God?" is largely meaningless other than it says they believe in something that could be anything that they are willing to attach the label "God" to. The 11% who say "no" are more informative, because they likely represent people who believe in all kinds of things that others call God, but despite cultural pressure to call one of those things God, they explicitly reject that term to make it clear that they don't believe in a Supernatural personal type deity. For many who say "yes", they also don't believe in such a God but they would rather hide behind the vague word than openly identify as someone who explicitly rejects the personal type of God.
 
These are obvious lies.

I know that this "scientific study" is false because it is biased. How else could they claim that the number of theists is decreasing and the number of atheists is increasing? Only a biased study could possibly claim the opposite of the truth. All around America, atheists are converting to Christianity because it is impossible to have morals unless you are a Christian. Also, atheism causes you to become communist-Nazis, and you don't see a corresponding increase in Nazis in America, do you? No? Of course not! That is proof that atheists are converting to Christianity by the busload even as we speak! So how can this "study" claim that the number of atheists is increasing unless the study is biased and therefore lying?

Why do you hate God? Is that why you lie? Because you hate God? [/christian]
 
I think there are a number of people today who engage in a sort of neo-deism for which they have no name or any thought out meaning. So when asked on surveys they feel compelled to say they are theist, since they do have some sort of vague god belief.
In a 2006 Baylor survey, 15% of self described Christians sate that they believed that nature and its laws was God.

CC's link with title: American Piety in the 21st Century: New Insights to the Depth and Complexity of Religion in the US

PDF page 28 contains some interesting stuff.
1. God’s level of engagement – the extent to which individuals believe that God is directly involved in worldly and personal affairs.

2. God’s level of anger – the extent to which individuals believe that God is angered by human sins and tends towards punishing, severe, and wrathful characteristics
The types:
What kind?Active?Angry?
A: Authoritarian++
B: Benevolent+-
C: Critical-+
D: Distant--
I note that the Distant or Deist sort of God is closest to none at all. Atheism: F or Faithless?

There are interesting demographic variations. High-income people tend to believe in an A sort of God much less than low-income one, and to believe in a D sort or none at all (F) much more.

The South tends to believe in A and the Midwest in B, while the East has lots of C and the west lots of D. The East and West also have more D and F than the Midwest and South.

Believers in D seldom attend a house of worship, C somewhat more, and A and B the most. Similarly for prayer.

Catholics and Mainline Protestants are very similar. They have D as the largest group, followed by B. Black Protestants and Evangelical Protestants have A as their largest group. Jews have D almost as large as the others put together, with 8% F, and the unaffiliated have D a little less than F.

Biblical literalism, Jesus Christ as the "Son of God", and God as a "he" all go A > B > C > D.

Rejection of abortion, nonmarital sex, gay marriage, nonmarital cohabitation, porn: A > B > C > D
However, rejection of divorce was low among all groups

Spending more on the military, wanting more authority to fight terror, funding faith-based organizations, and allowing prayer in schools all followed this pattern. However, support for the death penalty was A > C > B > D, and distributing wealth more evenly, regulating businesses more closely, protecting the environment, and promoting affirmative action did not have strong trends.

Converting others to one's religious faith and teaching others one's morals followed the A > B > C > D trend, while serving in the military followed A > C > B > D. Consuming or using fewer goods, actively seeking social and economic justice, and taking care of the sick and needy had relatively little variation.
 
"Hey, I may not believe in God, but don't you dare call me an atheist!"

Said lots and lots of people.

Ya, years of slandering has made "atheist" mean "anti-Christian hate group"

So where is the Pew research that asks, "do you feel it is a sin to mow your lawn on Sundays"... and then present the results as, "90% of the US believes Christianity is false"
 
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