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http://www.newson6.com/story/27740198/new-proposed-bill-may-ban-hoodies-in-public-places

After consulting with the Department of Public Safety, Senator Don Barrington has authored a bill that would make it unlawful to wear a mask, hood or covering during the commission of a crime or to intentionally conceal his or her identity in a public place.

There are provisions. Such as, pranks of children on Halloween religious beliefs and special events like a parade, masquerade party or weather.

But if you wear a hood with ill intentions, you could be slapped with a misdemeanor fine of $50 to $500 and or one year in jail.
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Politicians should be required to state how many people getting killed during the enforcement of a new law they are comfortable with.

Because as we know the police are currently in the habit of escalating situations rather than calming them down and odds are at some point the police will escalate a hoodie stop to the point of killing a person over a potential $50 ticket.
 
You posted this with "ill intent".

Let's face it, this will be used to enforce:
Walking while Black with ill intent.
 
Who determines what constitutes sufficiently bad weather to allow use of a hoodie? How does it take into account different people's tolerances for cold, wind, rain etc., and how is the consistency of it's enforcement monitored? Personally I suspect that it will be the LEO's discretion, and said LEO's discretion will be colored by his points of view of various people. I'd be surprised if it were enforced fairly, IMO too much room for subjective judgment.
 
I wasn't aware of the Hoodie related crime spree occurring in Oklahoma that require the Legislature to act on it.

So is Oklahoma an open carry state? Shall "those people" get some open carry permits and walk around without their hoodies on?
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
I wasn't aware of the Hoodie related crime spree occurring in Oklahoma that require the Legislature to act on it.

So is Oklahoma an open carry state? Shall "those people" get some open carry permits and walk around without their hoodies on?
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I'm against it. I enjoy wearing mine in public, cause mine has eyeholes.
 
This ban is stupid because criminals don't care for the law, they will always have illegal hoodies.
 
This is the part that makes no sense to me:

But if you wear a hood with ill intentions, you could be slapped with a misdemeanor fine of $50 to $500 and or one year in jail.
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Don't those two potential punishments seem ... out of sync? Isn't a $500 fine the equivalent of about a week in jail?
 
Also hoodie with ill intentions, I wonder how that's been specifically defined. It wouldn't surprise me if it was one of those "LEO's discretion" things, [sarcasm] no potential for abuse there. [/sarcasm]
 
Terrell said:
Also hoodie with ill intentions, I wonder how that's been specifically defined. It wouldn't surprise me if it was one of those "LEO's discretion" things, [sarcasm] no potential for abuse there. [/sarcasm]
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It would still require guilt beyond reasonable doubt to be convicted - an LEO could still arrest you for it at their discretion (but they still supposedly have to have probable cause)
 
Axulus said:
Terrell said:
Also hoodie with ill intentions, I wonder how that's been specifically defined. It wouldn't surprise me if it was one of those "LEO's discretion" things, [sarcasm] no potential for abuse there. [/sarcasm]
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It would still require guilt beyond reasonable doubt to be convicted - an LEO could still arrest you for it at their discretion (but they still supposedly have to have probable cause)
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That amounts to time and potentially resources that could be used elsewhere. Why should they not be required to cite a specific crime that you're doing to stop you, and do so in writing? Why pass a law that they can arrest you for "ill intent", which can be pretty nebulous, rather than having it as a sentencing enhancement after you've already been convicted of some other crime?
 
Terrell said:
Axulus said:
It would still require guilt beyond reasonable doubt to be convicted - an LEO could still arrest you for it at their discretion (but they still supposedly have to have probable cause)
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That amounts to time and potentially resources that could be used elsewhere. Why should they not be required to cite a specific crime that you're doing to stop you, and do so in writing? Why pass a law that they can arrest you for "ill intent", which can be pretty nebulous, rather than having it as a sentencing enhancement after you've already been convicted of some other crime?
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I agree - it's oppressive and stupid. I could maybe understand a law increasing the penalty if you commit a crime with the face obscured/hidden.
 
I say they should just dispense with the charade and just make being black or poor in Oklahoma a crime.
 
After consulting with the Department of Public Safety, Senator Don Barrington has authored a bill that would make it unlawful to wear a mask, hood or covering during the commission of a crime or to intentionally conceal his or her identity in a public place.
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It's going to be ten below on my street tomorrow. Exactly how is a cop going to establish that when i wear a ski-mask to walk to the bus, I'm trying to "intentionally conceal (my)identity in a public place" rather than to "intentionally keep my nose from turning black and falling off from frostbite?" How cold does it have to be before the cop HAS to accept that i was cold, not concealing?
 
Next they will ban wearing hats in banks. Wait, they already do and I always take my hat off. Drive-thru's seem to work better.
 
aeebee50 said:
Next they will ban wearing hats in banks. Wait, they already do and I always take my hat off. Drive-thru's seem to work better.
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I've been asked to remove my sunglasses when I entered a bank (shortly after they'd been robbed by similar).
 
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