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Toni said:
Loren Pechtel said:
Toni said:
Fewer guns mean far less need to defend oneself against gunfire.
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But fewer guns makes the strong more dominant over the weak. I hope you like rape because there would be more of it as happens in other places where women can't go armed.
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Really? You really think there are just bunches of women out there defending themselves by shooting would be rapists? Or by scaring them off? Or, that they have some nice man doing that for them?
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Places without guns have higher rape rates.
 
Loren Pechtel said:
Toni said:
Really? You really think there are just bunches of women out there defending themselves by shooting would be rapists? Or by scaring them off? Or, that they have some nice man doing that for them?
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Places without guns have higher rape rates.
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Correlation is not the same thing as causation.

Besides, you're just plain incorrect.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/more-guns-do-not-stop-more-crimes-evidence-shows/
The claim that gun ownership stops crime is common in the U.S., and that belief drives laws that make it easy to own and keep firearms.
But about 30 careful studies show more guns are linked to more crimes: murders, rapes, and others. Far less research shows that guns help.
Interviews with people in heavily gun-owning towns show they are not as wedded to the crime defense idea as the gun lobby claims.
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Many other researchers have come to opposite conclusions. John Donohue, an economist at Stanford University, reported in a working paper in June 2017 that when states ease permit requirements, most violent crime rates increase and keep getting worse. A decade after laws relax, violent crime rates are 13 to 15 percent higher than they were before. And in 2004 the National Research Council, which provides independent advice on scientific issues, turned its attention to firearm research, including Lott's findings. It asked 15 scholars to reanalyze Lott's data because “there was such a conflict in the field about the findings,” recalls panel chair and criminologist Charles Wellford, now a professor emeritus at the University of Maryland. Lott's models, they found, could be tweaked in tiny ways to produce big changes in results. “The analyses that we did, and that others have done, show that these estimates are very fragile,” Wellford explains. “The committee, with one exception, concluded that you could not accept his conclusion that more guns meant less crime.” Wintemute summarized it this way: “There are a few studies that suggest that liberalizing access to concealed firearms has, on balance, beneficial effects. There are a far larger number of studies that suggest that it has, on balance, detrimental effects.”
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Alaska has the third highest gun ownership rate in the US (64.5%), just barely behind Montana and Wyoming. It also has 161.9 sexual assaults per 100,000 people, which is nearly four times the national average.

More guns does not mean fewer rapes.
 
Loren Pechtel said:
I'm sure he simply wanted to escape--there's no way the police were going to allow that.
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What the fuck?? It is NOT acceptable for police to kill people just because they are not able to restrain them physically. The suspect is running away - kill him!! That's wrong. Do you really not recognize that?

Lethal force is appropriate only when the suspect poses a real and immediate threat to the lives to others, not a hypothetical threat that might develop in the future.

Thus, his actions had left the police in a situation they were going to have to use force, the only question being what level of force. By appearing to go for a weapon he made that force gun rather than taser.
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You are making up shit. We don't know he was going to attack anyone. He may simply have been trying to console his terrified children in the car when he was shot 7 times in the back. What the fuck were the police so scared off? That he was an angry black man who refused to comply with the police commands? That is not sufficient grounds to kill a human being. You obviously believe otherwise, although I cannot even begin to comprehend why.
 
Derec said:
Toni said:
Fire into a closed vehicle containing small children and hope they don’t get killed? They were horribly traumatized. The POLiCE put those children’s lives in danger!
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The police officer fired in the opposite direction, not into the vehicle, which btw. wasn't "closed". The children weren't in any real danger. Stop hyperventilating!
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Ricochet: (of a bullet, shell, or other projectile) rebound one or more times off a surface.
"a bullet ricocheted off a nearby wall"
In another incident where police shot at and killed a man trying to run away from them, at least one shot fired by the police ended up striking a car driving by the area. All over the police's inability to restrain a drunk person. And you were right in the frontlines defending that shooting as well.

Stop defending police brutality. Stop defending racist policing. Stop posting racist diatribes directed at black people.
 
Derec said:
laughing dog said:
There were other officers there and he was sitting in his car- he wasn’t going anywhere quickly. There were children in the car and his back was turned which means the officer was not in immediate danger.
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But the children were in immediate danger, as far as the officer could tell.
Look at it from the point of view of the officers. This is how the confrontation started.

NBC Chicago said:
At 5:11 p.m. Kenosha police said officers responded to a call of a "domestic incident" in the 2800 block of 40th Street. In a 911 call, Laquisha Booker told police that Blake had the keys to her rental car and was refusing to give them back. "And on top of that he's not supposed to be here," she is heard saying.
As officers responded to the scene, dispatch told them Blake has a felony arrest warrant for domestic abuse charges and sexual assault, according to Kenosha County District Attorney Michael Graveley.
According to an investigation by the district attorney's office, Officer Rusten Sheskey arrived at the scene and saw Blake putting a child into the vehicle mentioned on the 911 call. At that time, he heard Laquisha Booker yell "It's him! It's him!" Sheskey said Blake then said he's "taking the kid, and I'm taking the car."
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It ended with Blake shrugging off the attempts to taze him and then, knife in hand, walking to the driver side door of the vehicle in question, with two children in the back seat.
It totally looked like a kidnapping.

Timeline: How the Jacob Blake Shooting Unfolded
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I did not realize he was apparently kidnapping his kids against a restraining order. Thanks for the info. That makes much more sense.
 
Toni said:
Correlation is not the same thing as causation.

Besides, you're just plain incorrect.
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I'm looking at the countries with guns vs those without.

Guns = more murders, no guns = more rapes and robberies.
 
Rhea said:
Derec said:
But the children were in immediate danger, as far as the officer could tell.
Look at it from the point of view of the officers. This is how the confrontation started.



It ended with Blake shrugging off the attempts to taze him and then, knife in hand, walking to the driver side door of the vehicle in question, with two children in the back seat.
It totally looked like a kidnapping.

Timeline: How the Jacob Blake Shooting Unfolded
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I did not realize he was apparently kidnapping his kids against a restraining order. Thanks for the info. That makes much more sense.
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It's a very important part of understanding what went down.

This isn't just a guy trying to drive off with his kids, this is a guy kidnapping his kids.
 
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