Not One Corpse Has Been Found In The ‘Mass Grave’ Of Indigenous Children In Canada

[Jarhyn]

There are other possibilities than maliciousness.

Ya mean malice.
As in "Never ascribe to malice that which stupidity is sufficient to explain".
-Hanlon's razor

So you are saying what?
What I'm catching as corollary to all this is that the thread is either malicious or stupid.

Those possibilities are not mutually exclusive.

They are not.

 

[laughing dog]

On the other hand, it seems like the church burners could have at least waited until actual skeletons were being hauled out of the ground before starting their fires. Its the polite thing to do.

I thought they burned the church because bodies were actually found. I think the better thing to say is maybe they should have waited to see if said graves may have been normal and not proof of wrongdoing (beyond the forfeiture of children for the purpose of indoctrination because you're an outsider) on the schools part though it may still sound like a dumb and out-of-touch thing to say either way.

They were separated from their families, lands and culture. That's the crime. I seriously doubt we will find that the bodies were mistreated physically, tortured or something like that.

They were separated from their families, lands and culture. That's the crime.

The remains are reminder of that crime. Whether the remains are found or not is immaterial to the real crime.

 

[barbos]

NATO I mean Russia should bomb Belgrade Ottawa to get to the bottom of it all.

 

[Angra Mainyu]

So, let's see here:
Thread title: Not One Corpse Has Been Found In The ‘Mass Grave’ Of Indigenous Children In Canada

The caveat of the article: the reason no bodies have been found is that none have been looked for.

Reality: the remains of 215 children, some as young as 3 years old, were found buried on the site of what was once Canada’s largest Indigenous residential school near Kamloops, British Columbia.

To utter one statement to cover up another statement when it is known to cover the first statement is fucked up and evil behavior.

To utter the statement "Reality: the remains of 215 children, some as young as 3 years old, were found buried on the site of what was once Canada’s largest Indigenous residential school near Kamloops, British Columbia" is misguided behavior.

No, it is not the case that the remains of 215 children were found buried on the site of what was once Canada’s largest Indigenous residential school near Kamloops, British Columbia.



There was a claim based on interpretation of radar information that 215 unmarked graves of children had been so found. No one has ever excavated the site. A similar procedure was used in Edmonton, where 34 graves were claimed to have been found by radar. In that case, though, they excavated to get to the remains. However, they found
nothing at all.


Source:
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-mystery-of-canada-s-indigenous-mass-graves

 

[Trausti]

Conspiracy theory that China hyped this bullshit story to punish Canada for criticizing China’s treatment of the Uyghurs. Woke ideology infecting Canadians with self hatred made it a smashing success.

 

[Jarhyn]

The caveat of the article: the reason no bodies have been found is that none have been looked for.

As par for the course, you try your very best to ignore the most important part.

 

[Angra Mainyu]

The caveat of the article: the reason no bodies have been found is that none have been looked for.

As par for the course, you try your very best to ignore the most important part.

As usual, I dealt with a part about which I found disagreement, not with one about which I found no disagreement.

You claimed "Reality: the remains of 215 children, some as young as 3 years old, were found buried on the site of what was once Canada’s largest Indigenous residential school near Kamloops, British Columbia.".

I disagree. As explained, the claim is false. You went on to accuse "To utter one statement to cover up another statement when it is known to cover the first statement is fucked up and evil behavior.", and the allegedly covered-up statement was the false statement that you repeated. Again, I dealt with a statement I disagreed with - because, well, it was false.

 

[Jarhyn]

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It's interesting that you find so much time and effort and energy caring to obfuscate that evidence exists of hundreds of unmarked graves, as documented and linked to, so much that you call it false.

not a single shovel-full of dirt has been excavated from the site in question it is apparent that the reason no bodies have been found is not that none have been looked for; that remains in contention at least until many a shovel-full of dirt has been excavated from the site in question.

Report: over 600 bodies found at Indigenous school in Canada

Leaders of Indigenous groups in Canada said Thursday investigators have found more than 600 unmarked graves at the site of a former residential school for Indigenous children — a discovery that follows last month's report of 215 bodies found at another school.

www.foxnews.com

Last month the remains of 215 children, some as young as 3 years old, were found buried on the site of what was once Canada’s largest Indigenous residential school near Kamloops, British Columbia.

You are here obfuscating that.

Oooh, havent seen the bodies with your own eyes, haven't dug em up yet, must not be there.

Maybe stick your head further in that sand and you might find them that way?

 

[Metaphor]

The title seems misleading insofar as that it seems to imply there are no bodies. That remains in contention at least until many a shovel-full of dirt has been excavated from the site in question.

The title is misleading without further context, but so were all the original titles when the story first circulated - the ones that implied bodies had been found, instead of implied via a radar technique.

 

[Metaphor]

I'm just gonna look right here and say that the fact that if not a single shovel-full of dirt has been excavated from the site in question it is apparent that the reason no bodies have been found is not that none have been looked for; that remains in contention at least until many a shovel-full of dirt has been excavated from the site in question.

The title seems misleading insofar as that it seems to imply there are no bodies. That remains in contention at least until many a shovel-full of dirt has been excavated from the site in question.

Yup. The OP would have us believe that since not one single soldier has been exhumed from Arlington, no American ever died in any war.

How does the OP imply that?

 

[Trausti]

The insinuation is that these were Pol Pot type mass graves. But these were simply graveyards where the wooden crosses had disintegrated or been removed. There’s nothing here that the nuns killed anyone. Silly moral panic.

 

[Metaphor]

From what I recall some articles stated that actual remains of children were found.

For example;

Report: over 600 bodies found at Indigenous school in Canada

Leaders of Indigenous groups in Canada said Thursday investigators have found more than 600 unmarked graves at the site of a former residential school for Indigenous children — a discovery that follows last month's report of 215 bodies found at another school.

www.foxnews.com

Last month the remains of 215 children, some as young as 3 years old, were found buried on the site of what was once Canada’s largest Indigenous residential school near Kamloops, British Columbia.

While I don't agree with the church burning I can understand why it happened. It's not like the indigenous folks had a wonderful history with the catholic church.

So, let's see here:
Thread title: Not One Corpse Has Been Found In The ‘Mass Grave’ Of Indigenous Children In Canada

The caveat of the article: the reason no bodies have been found is that none have been looked for.

It is true that nobody has exhumed the site, but that is not the only condition that would lead to no bodies being found. Another is that there may not be any bodies at all.

My memory of the original article is that the bodies were 'found'--that there was no contention. Perhaps the headline title of 'radar technique implies mass grave' wasn't as clickbaity.

Reality: the remains of 215 children, some as young as 3 years old, were found buried on the site of what was once Canada’s largest Indigenous residential school near Kamloops, British Columbia.

Except that isn't the reality. They were not found.

To utter one statement to cover up another statement when it is known to cover the first statement is fucked up and evil behavior.

Then stop doing it.

 

[Jarhyn]

Let's be clear, graves and remains were found.

Report: over 600 bodies found at Indigenous school in Canada

Leaders of Indigenous groups in Canada said Thursday investigators have found more than 600 unmarked graves at the site of a former residential school for Indigenous children — a discovery that follows last month's report of 215 bodies found at another school.

www.foxnews.com

Last month the remains of 215 children, some as young as 3 years old, were found buried on the site of what was once Canada’s largest Indigenous residential school near Kamloops, British Columbia.

They were just not found by excavating dirt.

They were found in the same way the supermassive black hole at the center of our galaxy, or the planets of distant stars are found: through observation of their effects on nature, using imaging technologies.

We do not have to exhume a corpse to know it is in the ground.

We have found the bodies, we just have not dug them up and looked at them.

 

[Trausti]

Let's be clear, graves and remains were found.

Report: over 600 bodies found at Indigenous school in Canada

Leaders of Indigenous groups in Canada said Thursday investigators have found more than 600 unmarked graves at the site of a former residential school for Indigenous children — a discovery that follows last month's report of 215 bodies found at another school.

www.foxnews.com

Last month the remains of 215 children, some as young as 3 years old, were found buried on the site of what was once Canada’s largest Indigenous residential school near Kamloops, British Columbia.

They were just not found by excavating dirt.

They were found in the same way the supermassive black hole at the center of our galaxy, or the planets of distant stars are found: through observation of their effects on nature, using imaging technologies.

We do not have to exhume a corpse to know it is in the ground.

We have found the bodies, we just have not dug them up and looked at them.

‘We knew it was there’: Former B.C. chief says unmarked graves near Cranbrook need more context | Globalnews.ca

The remains were found when remedial work was being performed in the area to replace the fence at the cemetery near the former residential school last year.

globalnews.ca

Sophie Pierre, former chief of the St Mary’s Indian Band and a survivor of the school itself, told Global News that while the news of the unmarked graves had a painful impact on her and surrounding communities, they had always known the graves were there.

“There’s no discovery, we knew it was there, it’s a graveyard,” Pierre said. “The fact there are graves inside a graveyard shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone.”

 

[Jarhyn]

Let's be clear, graves and remains were found.

Report: over 600 bodies found at Indigenous school in Canada

Leaders of Indigenous groups in Canada said Thursday investigators have found more than 600 unmarked graves at the site of a former residential school for Indigenous children — a discovery that follows last month's report of 215 bodies found at another school.

www.foxnews.com

Last month the remains of 215 children, some as young as 3 years old, were found buried on the site of what was once Canada’s largest Indigenous residential school near Kamloops, British Columbia.

They were just not found by excavating dirt.

They were found in the same way the supermassive black hole at the center of our galaxy, or the planets of distant stars are found: through observation of their effects on nature, using imaging technologies.

We do not have to exhume a corpse to know it is in the ground.

We have found the bodies, we just have not dug them up and looked at them.

‘We knew it was there’: Former B.C. chief says unmarked graves near Cranbrook need more context | Globalnews.ca

The remains were found when remedial work was being performed in the area to replace the fence at the cemetery near the former residential school last year.

globalnews.ca

Sophie Pierre, former chief of the St Mary’s Indian Band and a survivor of the school itself, told Global News that while the news of the unmarked graves had a painful impact on her and surrounding communities, they had always known the graves were there.

“There’s no discovery, we knew it was there, it’s a graveyard,” Pierre said. “The fact there are graves inside a graveyard shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone.”

Hundreds of unmarked graves of children in an undocumented graveyard.

They were separated from their families, lands and culture. That's the crime.

The remains are reminder of that crime. Whether the remains are found or not is immaterial to the real crime.

The fact that they are child bodies and not grownass adult bodies is the evidence they were mistreated physically, tortured, or something like that.

But here this thread is proclaiming Not One Corpse Has Been Found In The ‘Mass Grave’ Of Indigenous Children In Canada.

 

[Trausti]

Let's be clear, graves and remains were found.

Report: over 600 bodies found at Indigenous school in Canada

Leaders of Indigenous groups in Canada said Thursday investigators have found more than 600 unmarked graves at the site of a former residential school for Indigenous children — a discovery that follows last month's report of 215 bodies found at another school.

www.foxnews.com

Last month the remains of 215 children, some as young as 3 years old, were found buried on the site of what was once Canada’s largest Indigenous residential school near Kamloops, British Columbia.

They were just not found by excavating dirt.

They were found in the same way the supermassive black hole at the center of our galaxy, or the planets of distant stars are found: through observation of their effects on nature, using imaging technologies.

We do not have to exhume a corpse to know it is in the ground.

We have found the bodies, we just have not dug them up and looked at them.

‘We knew it was there’: Former B.C. chief says unmarked graves near Cranbrook need more context | Globalnews.ca

The remains were found when remedial work was being performed in the area to replace the fence at the cemetery near the former residential school last year.

globalnews.ca

Sophie Pierre, former chief of the St Mary’s Indian Band and a survivor of the school itself, told Global News that while the news of the unmarked graves had a painful impact on her and surrounding communities, they had always known the graves were there.

“There’s no discovery, we knew it was there, it’s a graveyard,” Pierre said. “The fact there are graves inside a graveyard shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone.”

Hundreds of unmarked graves of children in an undocumented graveyard.

They were separated from their families, lands and culture. That's the crime.

The remains are reminder of that crime. Whether the remains are found or not is immaterial to the real crime.

The fact that they are child bodies and not grownass adult bodies is the evidence they were mistreated physically, tortured, or something like that.

But here this thread is proclaiming Not One Corpse Has Been Found In The ‘Mass Grave’ Of Indigenous Children In Canada.

How were they separated from their families? They were kept at the school and not allowed to leave? The nuns might have been mean, fitting stereotype, but this is all a bunch of nothing.

 

[laughing dog]

Let's be clear, graves and remains were found.

Report: over 600 bodies found at Indigenous school in Canada

Leaders of Indigenous groups in Canada said Thursday investigators have found more than 600 unmarked graves at the site of a former residential school for Indigenous children — a discovery that follows last month's report of 215 bodies found at another school.

www.foxnews.com

Last month the remains of 215 children, some as young as 3 years old, were found buried on the site of what was once Canada’s largest Indigenous residential school near Kamloops, British Columbia.

They were just not found by excavating dirt.

They were found in the same way the supermassive black hole at the center of our galaxy, or the planets of distant stars are found: through observation of their effects on nature, using imaging technologies.

We do not have to exhume a corpse to know it is in the ground.

We have found the bodies, we just have not dug them up and looked at them.

‘We knew it was there’: Former B.C. chief says unmarked graves near Cranbrook need more context | Globalnews.ca

The remains were found when remedial work was being performed in the area to replace the fence at the cemetery near the former residential school last year.

globalnews.ca

Sophie Pierre, former chief of the St Mary’s Indian Band and a survivor of the school itself, told Global News that while the news of the unmarked graves had a painful impact on her and surrounding communities, they had always known the graves were there.

“There’s no discovery, we knew it was there, it’s a graveyard,” Pierre said. “The fact there are graves inside a graveyard shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone.”

Hundreds of unmarked graves of children in an undocumented graveyard.

They were separated from their families, lands and culture. That's the crime.

The remains are reminder of that crime. Whether the remains are found or not is immaterial to the real crime.

The fact that they are child bodies and not grownass adult bodies is the evidence they were mistreated physically, tortured, or something like that.

But here this thread is proclaiming Not One Corpse Has Been Found In The ‘Mass Grave’ Of Indigenous Children In Canada.

How were they separated from their families? They were kept at the school and not allowed to leave? The nuns might have been mean, fitting stereotype, but this is all a bunch of nothing.

Educate yourself here- Indigenous Canadian Children forcibly separate from parents - or here An Ugly Canadian tradition. Yes, the children were forcibly taken from their families and not allowed to leave.

 

[Jarhyn]

Let's be clear, graves and remains were found.

Report: over 600 bodies found at Indigenous school in Canada

Leaders of Indigenous groups in Canada said Thursday investigators have found more than 600 unmarked graves at the site of a former residential school for Indigenous children — a discovery that follows last month's report of 215 bodies found at another school.

www.foxnews.com

Last month the remains of 215 children, some as young as 3 years old, were found buried on the site of what was once Canada’s largest Indigenous residential school near Kamloops, British Columbia.

They were just not found by excavating dirt.

They were found in the same way the supermassive black hole at the center of our galaxy, or the planets of distant stars are found: through observation of their effects on nature, using imaging technologies.

We do not have to exhume a corpse to know it is in the ground.

We have found the bodies, we just have not dug them up and looked at them.

‘We knew it was there’: Former B.C. chief says unmarked graves near Cranbrook need more context | Globalnews.ca

The remains were found when remedial work was being performed in the area to replace the fence at the cemetery near the former residential school last year.

globalnews.ca

"... we knew it was there, it’s a graveyard,” Pierre said. “The fact there are graves inside a graveyard shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone.”

Hundreds of unmarked graves of children in an undocumented graveyard.

They were separated from their families, lands and culture. That's the crime.

The remains are reminder of that crime. Whether the remains are found or not is immaterial to the real crime.

The fact that they are child bodies and not grownass adult bodies is the evidence they were mistreated physically, tortured, or something like that.

...

How were they separated from their families? They were kept at the school and not allowed to leave? The nuns might have been mean, fitting stereotype, but this is all a bunch of nothing.

The fact that they are child bodies and not grownass adult bodies is the evidence they were mistreated physically, tortured, or something like that.

 

[Angra Mainyu]

From what I recall some articles stated that actual remains of children were found.

Yes, that did happen, and that makes the mistake made back then understandable. But now we know better.

 

[Angra Mainyu]

It's interesting that you find so much time and effort and energy caring to obfuscate that evidence exists of hundreds of unmarked graves, as documented and linked to, so much that you call it false.

It's interesting that you make damaging accusations against me that are false and you should know they are false on the basis of the evidence available to you, and yet you are sincere.

First, what I call "false" is your statement:

Reality: the remains of 215 children, some as young as 3 years old, were found buried on the site of what was once Canada’s largest Indigenous residential school near Kamloops, British Columbia.

I call the statement false because it is false. Now, I get why you would have been mistaken at first, after all major news websites repeated that false statement in the past. However, by the time this thread was started, there was readily available conclusive evidence that it was false.

Second, remember, you used that statement to say that

To utter one statement to cover up another statement when it is known to cover the first statement is fucked up and evil behavior.

making false and disparaging accusations against either Metaphor or me or both. Of course, no one was trying to cover up your statement "Reality: the remains of 215 children, some as young as 3 years old, were found buried on the site of what was once Canada’s largest Indigenous residential school near Kamloops, British Columbia.", since it was obviously false by the time this thread was started, so even if any of us were a caricature villain wanting to engage in fucked up and evil behavior just for the pure pleasure of it, we would not choose to try to cover up that which never happened.

Third, again, I usually post to reply when there is some disagreement, not when there isn't.

They were just not found by excavating dirt.

They were found in the same way the supermassive black hole at the center of our galaxy, or the planets of distant stars are found: through observation of their effects on nature, using imaging technologies.

We do not have to exhume a corpse to know it is in the ground.

We have found the bodies, we just have not dug them up and looked at them.

No, they were not found in the same way the supermassive black hole at the center of our galaxy, or the planets of distant stars are found.
To be more precise, they were found in the same way that the unmarked graves at Camsell Hospital site were found: using ground-penetrating radar and interpreting some spots as unmarked graves. In the case of Camsell Hospital, some people actually decided to dig up the bodies and look at them. However, it turned out they found zero bodies. That sort of makes the case for the other 215 bodies much, much weaker, on the basis of the evidence available to a reasonable reader, so unless you have some inside evidence on the investigation - which you have not shown at all -, it is not epistemically rational on your part to assess that those 215 bodies have in fact been found, or that they exist in the first place. How about we wait and see what happens if someone chooses to dig, instead of jumping to the conclusion that 215 bodies were found?