On your rag? Take paid menstrual leave.

[Jarhyn]

You're thinking so one-dimensionally.

Really. Just go to a place.
And look at the lines for the bathrooms.
And you have your answer.

It really is that simple.
It adds all of the factors in together and comes up with... voila! A way to make it so that both men and women can get to the bathroom in a reasonable amount of time - without doubly long lines for one vs. the other.

It's so simple. Look at the lines. Just go ahead. WE ALL KNOW that women's rooms line are always longer except at NASCAR and no-name football events.
Since neither of these exist in NYC, the law makes perfect sense.

Moreover, from a pragmatic standpoint, do you REALLY want to spend all night at the club with the women all talking to each other while waiting in line for the loo? Or do you want them right back out at the bar waiting for you?

Never forget that the reason you don't have to pay to shit is that the FEMINIST MOVEMENT sued and won against pay toilets.

But in NY I am still a 2nd class citizen who has to shit in 1/2 the space that a woman has.

Bad math. You have the same space to shit. They are proposing that the line might be a little longer to do it (unless you;'re shitting in the middle of the floor and claiming the space of the whole room?)

But that is not what the mandate says. It does not mandate "equal number of spaces", it mandates "twice as much floor space". And that, by the way, even in male dominated venues.

Which male-dominated venues are these in NY (I'm assuming this is a NY law since you're saying this?)

It's looking to eliminate the excuse that "I gave the same space to each!" means it's okay to have half as many pee spots just because urinals take up less space.

Again, men's rooms do not consist solely of urinals.

Again, it's not just the urinals.
Look at the lines. It is SO SIMPLE to see the problem here. Everyone knows it. There are jokes about it. Memes about it.

What's YOUR solution to the problem?

Getting schwifty?

Seriously, keeps proving my point. It's just the silly cereal bowl style complaints all over again. It all carries the distinct appearance of passive aggressive attacks on those who refuse to sleep with him.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

As long as women don't get a greater number of ways for sick leave, no problem.
However, we all know that sexist policies that favor women are all the rage. Like for example the NYC law that mandates women be given twice as much restroom space as men. That's feminists' idea of "gender equality" in a nutshell.

Not space, stalls. And it was needed.

Haw! Gillette Stadium originally made a mistake of having too many women bathrooms, and there were not enough men bathrooms to deal with demand.

Therefore everything Derec has ever said is right!

 

[Derec]

You're thinking so one-dimensionally.

You meant to write "logically".

Really. Just go to a place.
And look at the lines for the bathrooms.
And you have your answer.

Like my old EE building that had equal space for bathrooms and the women's rooms were woefully underutilized because the ratio was so lopsided.

It really is that simple.
It adds all of the factors in together and comes up with... voila! A way to make it so that both men and women can get to the bathroom in a reasonable amount of time - without doubly long lines for one vs. the other.

It really isn't that simple. Why do women have longer lines? Because they spend time in bathrooms gossiping? Because bathroom real estate is used for fancy anterooms with couches and flowers instead for more stalls?

WE ALL KNOW that women's rooms line are always longer except at NASCAR and no-name football events.
Since neither of these exist in NYC, the law makes perfect sense.

What about gay bars? A few of those have been known to exist in NYC.

Moreover, from a pragmatic standpoint, do you REALLY want to spend all night at the club with the women all talking to each other while waiting in line for the loo? Or do you want them right back out at the bar waiting for you?

Bad example. They would not want to talk to me no matter how short the lines.

Bad math. You have the same space to shit. They are proposing that the line might be a little longer to do it (unless you;'re shitting in the middle of the floor and claiming the space of the whole room?)

But stall space is equal for men and women. As is space occupied by sinks. So if women are given twice the square footage they can put more units in their bathrooms. How is that fair?

Again, it's not just the urinals.
Look at the lines. It is SO SIMPLE to see the problem here. Everyone knows it. There are jokes about it. Memes about it.

Ah, argumentum ad memetum.

What's YOUR solution to the problem?

Tell women to do their business and leave rather than stay longer to gossip. Use existing real estate for functional elements rather than fancy anterooms.

 

[Rhea]

Why do women have longer lines? Because they spend time in bathrooms gossiping? Because bathroom real estate is used for fancy anterooms with couches and flowers instead for more stalls?

Bwaaaa haaaa haaaaaaa haaaa!!!
Haw haw haw!!!!!
~snort~
Haw haw haw!!!!!

Yeah, I hear they serve sushi from the chests of naked men while eunuchs do nipple massages in coconut butter.

 

[laughing dog]

You meant to write "logically".

No, I think she meant "misogynistically".

It really isn't that simple. Why do women have longer lines? Because they spend time in bathrooms gossiping? Because bathroom real estate is used for fancy anterooms with couches and flowers instead for more stalls?

It is difficult to believe that any adult man is that obtuse. In my youth, I was a janitor. I know that women's rest rooms are usually not more ornate or fancy than the men's (except when the men's rooms have troughs instead of urinals). My understanding is that women take more time because their urination typically requires more time to undress (and dress). Also, besides the similar functions, women may have other needs to address that men do not.

 

[Rhea]

Personally, I don't know why they don't have THREE bathrooms where the third one can be directed to add space to whichever is deficient. When the EE building has no diversity, it opens to the men's. When they have a summer seminar in Chemistry, they can switch it. When the stadium has a basketball game - to the men's, a gymnastic meet, to the women's. Seems like a good solution to me.

And yeah, I laughed at the Gillette stadium one. When men had to _actually_wait_ they threw a complete hissy fit! Oh noes!!! and so it was switched back to women waiting. Because that's the "right" condition, I guess.

 

[Playball40]

Too many fallicies to even address. How much time DO you spend in women's restrooms anyway? Ridiculous.

Second it is NOT a 2:1 RSF (for the 2nd time). It is stalls - fixtures - you know - places to actually PEE.

Third - consider this: “

Men, biologically, don’t take as much time as [women] do,” says Clarke. Women sit, and have more clothing to remove. Women who are pregnant must visit the facilities more frequently than men; feminine-hygiene needs also can add to the time spent in restrooms. Also, women are more likely to have infants and children with them than men, even if there are changing stations in both restrooms. - See more at: http://www.cleanlink.com/cp/article/Separate-And-Unequal--1163#sthash.Q2irGExa.dpuf

For most of history most facilities had more facilities for MEN (and many older locations STILL DO ) and you are whining and pouting about leveling the inequality out. Sheesh!

Potty parity isn’t a new product of feminism, adds Case. Much of the drive stems as a corrective measure, to revise the outdated laws that have created this problem in the first place. - See more at: http://www.cleanlink.com/cp/article/Separate-And-Unequal--1163#sthash.Q2irGExa.dpuf

You meant to write "logically".

Really. Just go to a place.
And look at the lines for the bathrooms.
And you have your answer.

Like my old EE building that had equal space for bathrooms and the women's rooms were woefully underutilized because the ratio was so lopsided.

It really is that simple.
It adds all of the factors in together and comes up with... voila! A way to make it so that both men and women can get to the bathroom in a reasonable amount of time - without doubly long lines for one vs. the other.

It really isn't that simple. Why do women have longer lines? Because they spend time in bathrooms gossiping? Because bathroom real estate is used for fancy anterooms with couches and flowers instead for more stalls?

WE ALL KNOW that women's rooms line are always longer except at NASCAR and no-name football events.
Since neither of these exist in NYC, the law makes perfect sense.

What about gay bars? A few of those have been known to exist in NYC.

Moreover, from a pragmatic standpoint, do you REALLY want to spend all night at the club with the women all talking to each other while waiting in line for the loo? Or do you want them right back out at the bar waiting for you?

Bad example. They would not want to talk to me no matter how short the lines.

Bad math. You have the same space to shit. They are proposing that the line might be a little longer to do it (unless you;'re shitting in the middle of the floor and claiming the space of the whole room?)

But stall space is equal for men and women. As is space occupied by sinks. So if women are given twice the square footage they can put more units in their bathrooms. How is that fair?

Again, it's not just the urinals.
Look at the lines. It is SO SIMPLE to see the problem here. Everyone knows it. There are jokes about it. Memes about it.

Ah, argumentum ad memetum.

What's YOUR solution to the problem?

Tell women to do their business and leave rather than stay longer to gossip. Use existing real estate for functional elements rather than fancy anterooms.

 

[Rhea]

And also, for the record, can we just clear up that it is not "on your rag".

It's "on the rag."
Know your idiom.


and this is very funny - I hope to see it again...

Ah, argumentum ad memetum.

 

[Jarhyn]

No, I think she meant "misogynistically".

It really isn't that simple. Why do women have longer lines? Because they spend time in bathrooms gossiping? Because bathroom real estate is used for fancy anterooms with couches and flowers instead for more stalls?

It is difficult to believe that any adult man is that obtuse. In my youth, I was a janitor. I know that women's rest rooms are usually not more ornate or fancy than the men's (except when the men's rooms have troughs instead of urinals). My understanding is that women take more time because their urination typically requires more time to undress (and dress). Also, besides the similar functions, women may have other needs to address that men do not.

Also, how did this become about shitting rooms when it is actually supposed to be about the ostensibly 'acceptable' list of things sick days are good for?

Though at the end of the day, single sick days are a fucking joke. I've taken them to stay home and have sex, before, in addition to the hangovers. I don't see why he cares that women have one less social fiction that they need to legally maintain as pertains to why they are taking a sick day; they probably will say it's something else, just to not increase a perception that their periods make them a larger liability.

 

[Terrell]

As long it's being treated no different than any other sick time; I don't see the problem here.

 

[SimpleDon]

Another for the (already plump) "you couldn't make it up" file:

A UK company will implement a new policy to allow women to take paid leave when they are on their period, in an effort to empower women and increase workplace productivity.

Bex Baxter, director of Co-Exist in Bristol, said the initiative sprung from seeing women at work “bent over double” in pain.

“I have managed many female members of staff over the years and I have seen women at work who are bent over double because of the pain caused by their periods,” Ms Baxter said.

“Despite this, they feel they cannot go home because they do not class themselves as unwell.

“And this is unfair. At Coexist we are very understanding. If someone is in pain — no matter what kind — they are encouraged to go home.”

Ms Baxter shot down criticism of the policy, saying it came “from a place of fear”.

“Women don’t want to feel they are less employable than men if they are taking time off [for periods],” she told BBC.

Sportswear giant Nike is believed to be the only global company to include menstrual leave within their Code of Conduct.

Although the article is ambiguous about the policy, it appears that women do not get extra paid leave per se, merely that menstrual pain is part of the list of enumerated reasons that it is acceptable to take ordinary sick leave.

Cis women, do you feel 'less employable' because your workplace does not specify menstrual leave?

They aren't forcing women to take the leave, so there isn't any problem that I can see. They are merely saying that it is an acceptable reason to stay home. European companies aren't especially strict about their sick days policies. In Germany we told people to please stay home if they even just thought that they were coming down with a cold or the flu. It didn't help. No one would do it. If they could walk they came to work. In Germany an employee could take off three sick days a month without an explanation from a doctor, an unlimited number with a doctor's diagnosis.

When we extended this policy to our offices in Atlanta, Kiev, Shanghai and New Delhi the only problems that we had were in the ex-communist countries and even there we only had to talk to a few cronic abusers once to end it. Now we were dealing with engineers, that is, professionals, and we offered higher than normal salaries and what engineers value even more than money, interesting work and a degree of independence that wasn't widely available in other shops.

 

[Jarhyn]

Another for the (already plump) "you couldn't make it up" file:



Although the article is ambiguous about the policy, it appears that women do not get extra paid leave per se, merely that menstrual pain is part of the list of enumerated reasons that it is acceptable to take ordinary sick leave.

Cis women, do you feel 'less employable' because your workplace does not specify menstrual leave?

They aren't forcing women to take the leave, so there isn't any problem that I can see. They are merely saying that it is an acceptable reason to stay home. European companies aren't especially strict about their sick days policies. In Germany we told people to please stay home if they even just thought that they were coming down with a cold or the flu. It didn't help. No one would do it. If they could walk they came to work. In Germany an employee could take off three sick days a month without an explanation from a doctor, an unlimited number with a doctor's diagnosis.

When we extended this policy to our offices in Atlanta, Kiev, Shanghai and New Delhi the only problems that we had were in the ex-communist countries and even there we only had to talk to a few cronic abusers once to end it. Now we were dealing with engineers, that is, professionals, and we offered higher than normal salaries and what engineers value even more than money, interesting work and a degree of independence that wasn't widely available in other shops.

I can corroborate that last bit. As a software engineer, I care more about having interesting work and flexible hours, human managers, and health insurance. I gladly did and co tinue to work 10k short of the market rate because my employer is just that good.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

As long it's being treated no different than any other sick time; I don't see the problem here.

Because it is about women and if women are involved, it must be wrong and unequal. First it was maternity leave. Men don't get maternity leave, therefore special rights! Women get more stalls. Complete uninequality. If women want to be treated equal, they should learn how to use a urinal!

Women! Women! Women!!!

 

[Derec]

Because it is about women and if women are involved, it must be wrong and unequal. First it was maternity leave. Men don't get maternity leave, therefore special rights!

Well men are parents too. And it goes to my thesis that when biology favors men laws must comensate for it but when biology favors women the difference should not be compensated for and even mentioning it is misogynistic.

Women get more stalls. Complete uninequality. If women want to be treated equal, they should learn how to use a urinal!

It's not about having the same number of "pee places" or demanding women learn to use the urinals (nobody said that, least of all me) but about the law mandating twice as much floor space for women. And what do they do with the extra space? Fancy anterooms with couches.

 

[TSwizzle]

Why would women need a day off because they are on their period ? So they can go rock climbing or swimming or something similar according to the commercials for feminine hygiene products I've seen.

 

[Toni]

Ww

Why would women need a day off because they are on their period ? So they can go rock climbing or swimming or something similar according to the commercials for feminine hygiene products I've seen.

If you read the thread, you would see mention of the fact that for some women, menstruation comes with debilitating pain.

 

[TSwizzle]

If women want to be treated equal, they should learn how to use a urinal!

Shhhhhh !! If the feminazis get wind we have urinals, they will take them away and make us sit down to pee !!! And woe betide any chauvinist pig that leaves the seat up.

 

[Jarhyn]

Well men are parents too. And it goes to my thesis that when biology favors men laws must comensate for it but when biology favors women the difference should not be compensated for and even mentioning it is misogynistic.

Women get more stalls. Complete uninequality. If women want to be treated equal, they should learn how to use a urinal!

It's not about having the same number of "pee places" or demanding women learn to use the urinals (nobody said that, least of all me) but about the law mandating twice as much floor space for women. And what do they do with the extra space? Fancy anterooms with couches.

I have *never* seen this. Ever. In all my life. And yes, I have been in a fair number of shitcans with skirts on the doors (or, well, not doors...).

Not once. Ever. It doesn't even make sense. Who blows an additional 10g on a bathroom to make a living room *that literally reeks of piss and shit and other stinky stuff*?

And if, as you claim, people spend that much money on their shit space in New York selectively for women, then this is a Capitalistic decision subject to market forces. Obviously shrewd business owners are making private business decisons and who the hell are you to tell them they are wrong?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Having worked custodial back in the day when I was a teen, I can confirm that the women's bathroom is the sixth last place on earth you would want to linger at. I mean, yes, it has a full living room spread with cable and snacks, but it just stinks in there.

 

[laughing dog]

It's not about having the same number of "pee places" or demanding women learn to use the urinals (nobody said that, least of all me) but about the law mandating twice as much floor space for women. And what do they do with the extra space? Fancy anterooms with couches.

You know this how?