PA grand jury report on Catholic child abuse

[fast]

I have nothing negative to say about what you have said.

What I'm curious about is in those last few words, "because of gender selection?"

That is just your reporting of what others have said. What I question is the accuracy of what they have said. It's bad enough that people would use SEX of a child to decide to abort, but curiously I ask resident pro evil thinkers, how in the holy hell has science rendered it possible to identify prebirth what GENDER the child will have?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex-selective_abortion

It extends to gender bias in adoption and surrogacy as well. (Did you know gay couples are more gender biased than their heterosexual counterparts?)

Imagine a world where every male was a boy/man and every female is a girl/woman. If I lead a person into a room and tell you truthfully that the person I led into the room is a girl, you should immediately be able to tell me the sex of the person: female.

The sex options are male and female. The gender options are boy/man and girl/woman. "Boy" and "girl" being young.

What the educated liberal crowd is telling us is that there is sometimes a mismatch and not every male is a boy/man and that not every female is a girl/woman. Imagine living in a world where that was true.

If a doctor comes in and says, "congratulations, you're now the proud parent of a little boy," the doctor actually might be mistaken (in that second world). All the doctor can tell is that I'm the parent of a baby male. Why? Because 1) you're no longer imagining the first world (where all males born are born boys) but rather the second world (where some males born are not boys). 2) the doctor can only tell the sex, not the gender. Recall what the educated liberals have to say, and hear the cries of the transgender: A person born with a penis says she's a girl born in a boy's body.

The person doesn't mutate into a girl; she was a girl all along; she had always felt it inside. Or so the story goes.

 

[Learner]

The person doesn't mutate into a girl; she was a girl all along; she had always felt it inside. Or so the story goes.

Not disputing : She (originally born male) feels she's female is understandable , that is to say ; she has aquired the preference by "interest" for the things that girls do ... aware and being "influenced" from an early age by what she sees and hears as an experience.

Born female in male body , is a notion I don't agree with (literally of course).

 

[whollygoats]

And what does all this musing have to do with the scope of Catholic priests sexually assaulting children?

 

[Tom Sawyer]

And what does all this musing have to do with the scope of Catholic priests sexually assaulting children?

It turns the conversation away from how Catholic priests sexually assaulted young children.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

I feel kinda bad for Frankie, he's a decent enough chap. But even he had to know this shit was happening. How long before this shit bites him in the ass too.

 

[fast]

The person doesn't mutate into a girl; she was a girl all along; she had always felt it inside. Or so the story goes.

Not disputing : She (originally born male) feels she's female is understandable , that is to say ; she has aquired the preference by "interest" for the things that girls do ... aware and being "influenced" from an early age by what she sees and hears as an experience.

Born female in male body , is a notion I don't agree with (literally of course).

She was born male in a male body. I didn't express the notion that she was born female in a male body, I expressed that a baby girl was born male.

But why? Apparently the smart ones think I have a MOTIVE for doing that, and the ones are right--its ashamed, however, that the actual motive and the imbued motive is about as mismatched as their transsexual darlings.

 

[DrZoidberg]

This is a thread on Catholic sex abuse. Can we stop indulging Lion RC's whataboutism and lift the abortion derail? The crimes aren't remotely on the same level, nor do they have anything to do with one another.

 

[Lion IRC]

"When you defend pedophilia..."
WTF?
Screen capped. Reported

If you want to annoy people on a public forum, it might be smart to avoid defending pedophilia. Just a hot tip

If you want to annoy ppl avoid defending pedophilia.
What do you suggest if I want to win friends?

Can some Mod please give some guidance here - is it ok to accuse forum members of defending pedophilia?

 

[DrZoidberg]

"When you defend pedophilia..."
WTF?
Screen capped. Reported

If you want to annoy people on a public forum, it might be smart to avoid defending pedophilia. Just a hot tip

If you want to annoy ppl avoid defending pedophilia.
What do you suggest if I want to win friends?

Can some Mod please give some guidance here - is it ok to accuse forum members of defending pedophilia?

It's not only an accusation, but also a fact. You did exactly that, by putting it on par with abortion.

But fine, let's explore this. Why did you bring up abortion in a thread on Catholic child sex abuse?

 

[Tom Sawyer]

/mod

 

[Treedbear]

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[Underseer]

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[Lion IRC]

One of the most scathing and valid attacks on clergy pedophilia derives from the fact that the evil/sinful actions don't match the moral high ground we expect to see.

The hypocrisy is so blatant and conspicuous that it invites the obvious question - surely these are pedophiles masquerading as priests in order to achieve their desires.

 

[Treedbear]

One of the most scathing and valid attacks on clergy pedophilia derives from the fact that the evil/sinful actions don't match the moral high ground we expect to see.

The hypocrisy is so blatant and conspicuous that it invites the obvious question - surely these are pedophiles masquerading as priests in order to achieve their desires.

There are two possibilites. These were people who were going to become pedophiles no matter whether they became priests or not and entered the church in order to take advantage of a position of trust. Or they were innocent when they entered the church and became pedophiles due to some psychological influence fostered by the priestly vocation. In the first instance they are simply predators, masquerading, as you said, as priests. In the second they are human beings with human failings which buckle under a corrupt or simply unnatural and conflicted morality. My own experience having grown up as a Catholic is that priests have pure hearts and innocent intentions when they first think to enter the church. Usually at a young age. I can only conclude that the religious life itself is what brings out these normally subdued or suppressed urges. And furthermore the problem isn't just with the pedophiles themselves, but with all those in the clergy and staff who ignore their suspicions or give a pass to what they know is going on. It is all justified by the belief that God will make it right eventually and that he will forgive the faithful and ever-penitent sinner.

 

[Copernicus]

One of the most scathing and valid attacks on clergy pedophilia derives from the fact that the evil/sinful actions don't match the moral high ground we expect to see.

The hypocrisy is so blatant and conspicuous that it invites the obvious question - surely these are pedophiles masquerading as priests in order to achieve their desires.

A masquerade is about pretending to be something that one is not. Every single one of them was an ordained Catholic priest who sinned, but aren't all of us sinners, including priests, in the eyes of the church? Dealing with sin is one of the main reasons for the existence of the church. Perhaps many or all of them confessed their sins in the privacy of the confessional and did penance to cleanse their souls. Repeatedly. And not all were defrocked after they were found out. This was no masquerade. Those who covered up their crimes were also not masquerading. All of it was real.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Ya, there was no masquerading going on. They were doing the work of the priesthood while raping young children. In an average 40 hour work week, I doubt any of them ever spent more than half an hour raping kids, so they were carrying out all of their priestly duties for the vast majority of their time on the job. They were real priests and they had real support and cover for their kiddie rape by the hierarchy of the Church. There was nothing fake going on.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

One of the most scathing and valid attacks on clergy pedophilia derives from the fact that the evil/sinful actions don't match the moral high ground we expect to see.

The hypocrisy is so blatant and conspicuous that it invites the obvious question - surely these are pedophiles masquerading as priests in order to achieve their desires.

That's just spin. Again, your church is more important than the victims of the abuse. You are the problem. If you were a bishop you would have permitted the disgusting criminal behavior to continue forever simply to protect your pious fraud.

A pedophile is a pedophile. Arrest and charge the fucker and have the courts take it from there. But the fucking bishop motherfuckers who in their glorious fish hats and big rings who were the masters of pious fraud are the sorriest pieces of shit on the earth because they made themselves and their country club more important than the victims of their crimes.

Everyone of those fuckers ought to find a bridge to jump off. But they are cowards, the worst shit on the planet, preying on kids.

 

[DrZoidberg]

One of the most scathing and valid attacks on clergy pedophilia derives from the fact that the evil/sinful actions don't match the moral high ground we expect to see.

The hypocrisy is so blatant and conspicuous that it invites the obvious question - surely these are pedophiles masquerading as priests in order to achieve their desires.

Ehe... no. Sexuality is a strong instinct in humans. If a human tries to live celibate while at the same time is given access to children human psychology dictates that they are likely to dictate paedophile tendencies. It's the same with men and women in prison having gay sex. It's not a fundamental shift in sexuality. But while they are in the unnatural environment, this is what is likely to happen. If they start having normal sex lives with adults, I'm sure the paedophile priest problem will rapidly go away.

If a person is celibate and in a position of authority it's probably good to keep them away from all humans. It's just asking for trouble. Only the extraordinarily mentally strong can resist this urge. And since priests are just people to = problem.

The church having their authority figures celibate is probably the dumbest arrangement in history. At least if we want to avoid sexual abuse.

Worth noting is that the demand for celibacy is not a religious thing. It was to do with keeping church land from being part of a priests inheritance to their children, and will instead go to the church. Since land is no longer the basis for wealth in society, it's a pointless rule to keep.

I've also noticed how Catholic girls are the sexually kinkiest to have sex with. I also suspect that the intensely sexually perverted culture of the Catholic church creates this somehow. Not sure how. But Catholic girls do develop loads of sexual guilt and bizarre hang ups that lead to weirdness later. Something ain't right somewhere in that thing. Just something I've noticed from sleeping around.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

One of the most scathing and valid attacks on clergy pedophilia derives from the fact that the evil/sinful actions don't match the moral high ground we expect to see.

The hypocrisy is so blatant and conspicuous that it invites the obvious question - surely these are pedophiles masquerading as priests in order to achieve their desires.

A masquerade is about pretending to be something that one is not. Every single one of them was an ordained Catholic priest who sinned, but aren't all of us sinners, including priests, in the eyes of the church? Dealing with sin is one of the main reasons for the existence of the church. Perhaps many or all of them confessed their sins in the privacy of the confessional and did penance to cleanse their souls. Repeatedly. And not all were defrocked after they were found out. This was no masquerade. Those who covered up their crimes were also not masquerading. All of it was real.

The people in power treated them as priest first, pedophile never. The victimization of children went on for decades at least. It is the sickest and blindest form of loyalty. It is sad that today people defend it, and the "priests" of this organization continue to fight the disclosure of these crimes in secular courts. These "holy" men refuse to give up their power and wealth no matter how many more children are victimized. It says a lot about their religion.

 

[Lion IRC]

I can't think of any Catholic or Protestant church whose official policy currently fights against having these crimes tested in court. It's the opposite. Official policy for the RCC is that victims are encouraged to go to authorities.

The things preventing cases from going forward are;
- victim won't testify
- victim has insufficient prima facie evidence.
- secular/civic law prevents prosecution (statute of limitations)
- alleged/actual perpetrator has died (usually of old age)
- victim has died
- relatives/guardians of victims with actual or circumstantial/hearsay evidence don't want to get officially involved.