Pence plans to form fundraising group as he moves beyond Trump, Capitol riot

[T.G.G. Moogly]

As has been brought up here it is EXACTLY the same situation with the election fraud. The election fraud was out there for all 75 million of us to see! There was all kind of so called evidence until somehow no court would look at any of it.

Nope.
The courts never GOT to see it because no lawyer would submit such bogus claims when under oath, before a judge. They'd be subject to disbarment and contempt of court. ALL the evidence was ONLY ever put in the media, both social and mainstream. And when the very same lawyers went to actual court, they denied that it was a fraud case.

You've been had.

Kind of amazing that you cannot see this...

What's really amazing is that all those judges appointed by Orange didn't see it either. Woooooooooooooooooooo...

 

[Keith&Co.]

Nope.
ALL the Pence plot evidence was ONLY ever put in the media, both social and mainstream. And when the very same lawyers went to actual court, they denied that it was a fraud criminal case.

You'veAll you lefties on this thread have been had.

Kind of amazing that you cannot see this...

Your post works for Pence too.

Hahahahaha! Yeah. Because the 'Pence plot' has had 56 opportunities to be mentioned in court and the lawyers failed. Yeah, exactly the same. Hahahahaha!

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

Nope.
ALL the Pence plot evidence was ONLY ever put in the media, both social and mainstream. And when the very same lawyers went to actual court, they denied that it was a fraud criminal case.

You'veAll you lefties on this thread have been had.

Kind of amazing that you cannot see this...

Your post works for Pence too.

Hahahahaha! Yeah. Because the 'Pence plot' has had 56 opportunities to be mentioned in court and the lawyers failed. Yeah, exactly the same. Hahahahaha!

Jimmy, get with the right wing program. The way it works is whenever you don't get what you want it means you were cheated. And that's what you tell the Judge, that you were cheated. And when the Judge asks how you were cheated, what evidence you have, you respond, "What? you're not even going to investigate how I was cheated!!!???

And the reason you do this because you don't have a case, no evidence, nothing, no proof of cheating. And if you make claims of fraud you can get yourself in serious legal trouble so it's smart to just let it play out in public.

See how easy it is?

 

[Keith&Co.]

Hahahahaha! Yeah. Because the 'Pence plot' has had 56 opportunities to be mentioned in court and the lawyers failed. Yeah, exactly the same. Hahahahaha!

Jimmy, get with the right wing program. The way it works is whenever you don't get what you want it means you were cheated. And that's what you tell the Judge, that you were cheated. And when the Judge asks how you were cheated, what evidence you have, you respond, "What? you're not even going to investigate how I was cheated!!!???

And the reason you do this because you don't have a case, no evidence, nothing, no proof of cheating. And if you make claims of fraud you can get yourself in serious legal trouble so it's smart to just let it play out in public.

See how easy it is?

....Keith?

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

Hahahahaha! Yeah. Because the 'Pence plot' has had 56 opportunities to be mentioned in court and the lawyers failed. Yeah, exactly the same. Hahahahaha!

Jimmy, get with the right wing program. The way it works is whenever you don't get what you want it means you were cheated. And that's what you tell the Judge, that you were cheated. And when the Judge asks how you were cheated, what evidence you have, you respond, "What? you're not even going to investigate how I was cheated!!!???

And the reason you do this because you don't have a case, no evidence, nothing, no proof of cheating. And if you make claims of fraud you can get yourself in serious legal trouble so it's smart to just let it play out in public.

See how easy it is?

....Keith?

Yep. I blame old age...

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Where? I don't see any evidence of substantial voter fraud, despite months and multiple court cases.

That is probably only because your sources of media are different than mine. If you were surrounded by conservative media (as I was) you see and listen on a daily basis to all sorts of people speaking about untold shenanigans everywhere throughout the swing states. It is not worth the effort anymore but there are literally hundreds of cases of what on the surface appear to be obvious voter fraud.

"On the surface"--to distorted reporting. If they had real cases they would have taken them to court, but the lawyers knew the "evidence" was bogus and they would get in trouble from the courts if they tried to present it. When a case is tossed without any sort of fight it's because it was a nothing from the start--even if you grant the plaintiffs all their allegations there's nothing for the court to do about it.

My point still stands. If the evidence isn't good enough for court it isn't valid evidence. Not with voting fraud and not for a Pence plot.

You're arguing against yourself here--the cases were tossed because the evidence wasn't good enough for court.

 

[jab]

BTW I agree with you here RVonse

I don't know but that kind of thing has been happening a lot with the BLM and antifa protests too. Do you want to impeach the pro BLM and antifa congressmen (women) for stirring all that violence too? If taken out of context much of what they have had to say is much worse than Trump. None of what any of them has been doing has been good IMO but OTOH we really do have a first amendment to allow even politicians to say what they want.

That's the issue with this current impeachment trying to nuke Trump with an insurrection conviction. He didn't actually call for violence. Sure he was pissed and lashing out like usual and most likely didn't feel any remorse for the attack. But he did not directly call for the violence. If convicted it opens the door to any malicious group to show up at a rally dressed as supporters then take off from there destroying stuff claiming X politician told me to fight for my [insert whatever here]. That was the point I was trying to make with my analogy.

Other speakers at the rally (Don Jr. & Rudy) used more directly violent language in advising the mob what needed to be done, and big dog Trump didn't demur or call them out in his own speech, giving their remarks tacit approval, as if they were a more specific explanation of his exhortation to the mob. Further, Trump knew violent groups were part of the mob, groups that he had been warned about, and one of which he had asked previously on national t. v. to stand down and stand by.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Seriously?
You think that no charges being brought means that no crime was committed?

The evidence is well established. Trump supporters chanting. A gallows being built for the execution of a top USA official. It's all out there, available for the world to see! Including you.

Many crimes aren't ever prosecuted because nobody can produce enough evidence to get a grand jury to proceed on the prosecution of any particular person or people. That doesn't mean that the crime didn't happen.

Once Trump abandoned his supporters, the rats started scattering. He slinked off to the White House to watch it happen on TV. But it happened. There's tons of evidence that some group did this.

Do you think that it didn't happen? Seriously?
Tom

Good point. As has been brought up here it is EXACTLY the same situation with the election fraud. The election fraud was out there for all 75 million of us to see! There was all kind of so called evidence until somehow no court would look at any of it. So 75 million people were told to shut up.

There could very easily have been a criminal plot against Pence, I don't know. But I do know this. NO charges have been filed against anyone. And you can bet there would be political motivation to do so if the evidence was so easily at hand. So until the evidence is good enough for charges and a court trial, all you have is a tin foiling hat conspiracy theory. Same as all the others.

And no it is not myself being inconsistent it is you and others on the left. Unless you want to call our legal system inconsistent.

I really don't get it!? Why won't you post your evidence of voter fraud? Are you worried about being sued?

 

[Elixir]

The election fraud was out there for all 75 million of us to see!

Okay big boy, let's see it!

Here's a thread JUST FOR YOU!

I even got it started with evidence of voter fraud.

 

[TomC]

"On the surface"--to distorted reporting.

Even then, there's two more major factors.

For one thing, the operative word there was "substantial". Biden's margin was over 7,000,000. To change the outcome someone needs to show more fraudulent votes than that. And only fraudulent votes for Biden.
Out of 150,000,000 votes, I'm sure that some were fraudulent. Especially considering how hotly contested the process was. But under the circumstances, Trump supporters had a lot more motivation to try to cheat than Biden's because Biden was the front runner.
That's a lot of damn voting irregularities to remain vague rumors for this long.

Even more importantly though, the American people don't elect the POTUS. The Electoral College does. And the EC is made up of whoever the state legislatures decide to send. Biden got a substantial majority of EC delegates voting for him. And that's just how it is. The legislatures don't have to justify themselves to anyone else.
Tom

 

[Rhea]

And that’s the main point that they never have data for. It would take SO MANY cases of fruad to make a difference. And they can’t even show a handful.

 

[laughing dog]

What kind of evidence of fraud can be seen only by Trump voters? BTW, I know some Trump voters who do not see that evidence either.