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Pennsylvania high school students dress in flannel and pin Bible verses to the lockers of LGBT classmates in ANTI-GAY protests

Why do we always have to imply that anti-gay bigots are secretly gay themselves? Sometimes people act like assholes just because they're assholes.

Experience.

What we have here, beyond the bullying aspects, is an adolescent bonding process. This small group identifies themselves by special clothes and a profession of a common belief. It's very common to see this at the time of life when the world has suddenly become big and threatening. Younger boys often form "He-man woman haters" clubs when girls suddenly become ominously attractive. It's phase that seldom lasts long, especially as it becomes clear the girls see the boys as a greater threat to them, than the girls ever were to the boys.

Here we have a group of young men who have formed a "He-man Homo haters" club. Those of us with several decades of watching boys transform into young men and then into grown men know the lack of depth of their thinking at this age. What seems so profound and important to them is so obviously superficial, it's laughable to us. Of course, it's impolite to laugh out loud. Most of the young men will look back on this experience and find it slightly embarrassing. They may even wish there had been a more responsible adult around to explain the consequences of their actions. A few of them will be appalled at themselves, wondering how they were capable of such cruelty.

If one finds themselves in an intolerant society and want desperately to fit, mimicking the intolerance is the only way. It's entirely possible one or more of these young men is gay and finds himself in an impossible situation. It would be interesting to learn where this idea arose and how it became the groups badge. One does not set mouse traps, unless one believes there is a mouse, even if one has never seen it.



But it's kind of like saying that KKK members are secretly ashamed of their black ancestor or that wife beaters are abusive because they wish they were women. Sure, statistically speaking, there are likely a few here and there who are but it doesn't deal with over 99% of the problem.

Usually, when someone acts like an asshole, it's not because of some psychological defence mechanism trying to lash out against something they see in themselves - it's because they're assholes.

Now, it might be that one of the guys in the crowd that's doing this is gay. Focusing on that, however, is ignoring the problem in the same way as you would if you say that it's actually a pro-gay display because of the one hipster at the school who's wearing flannel ironically. This is happening because the students at this school are dipshits who are expressing their feelings about what dipshits they are, not because they're repressing their feelings about being gay themselves.
 
Experience.

What we have here, beyond the bullying aspects, is an adolescent bonding process. This small group identifies themselves by special clothes and a profession of a common belief. It's very common to see this at the time of life when the world has suddenly become big and threatening. Younger boys often form "He-man woman haters" clubs when girls suddenly become ominously attractive. It's phase that seldom lasts long, especially as it becomes clear the girls see the boys as a greater threat to them, than the girls ever were to the boys.

Here we have a group of young men who have formed a "He-man Homo haters" club. Those of us with several decades of watching boys transform into young men and then into grown men know the lack of depth of their thinking at this age. What seems so profound and important to them is so obviously superficial, it's laughable to us. Of course, it's impolite to laugh out loud. Most of the young men will look back on this experience and find it slightly embarrassing. They may even wish there had been a more responsible adult around to explain the consequences of their actions. A few of them will be appalled at themselves, wondering how they were capable of such cruelty.

If one finds themselves in an intolerant society and want desperately to fit, mimicking the intolerance is the only way. It's entirely possible one or more of these young men is gay and finds himself in an impossible situation. It would be interesting to learn where this idea arose and how it became the groups badge. One does not set mouse traps, unless one believes there is a mouse, even if one has never seen it.



But it's kind of like saying that KKK members are secretly ashamed of their black ancestor or that wife beaters are abusive because they wish they were women. Sure, statistically speaking, there are likely a few here and there who are but it doesn't deal with over 99% of the problem.

Usually, when someone acts like an asshole, it's not because of some psychological defence mechanism trying to lash out against something they see in themselves - it's because they're assholes.

Now, it might be that one of the guys in the crowd that's doing this is gay. Focusing on that, however, is ignoring the problem in the same way as you would if you say that it's actually a pro-gay display because of the one hipster at the school who's wearing flannel ironically. This is happening because the students at this school are dipshits who are expressing their feelings about what dipshits they are, not because they're repressing their feelings about being gay themselves.

Maybe so, but to the casual observer, there's little difference to be seen.

What we have is the strange appearance of a group of young men who want to grow closer by expressing animosity toward men who want to be closer to other men. I'm not sure if that is ironic, or the thing often mistaken for ironic.
 
But it's kind of like saying that KKK members are secretly ashamed of their black ancestor or that wife beaters are abusive because they wish they were women. Sure, statistically speaking, there are likely a few here and there who are but it doesn't deal with over 99% of the problem.

"Bigotry" is broad concept with different bigotries sometimes having little in common regarding the psychological nature and/or their casual contributors. For one it isn't about wishing you were one of them, but being afraid that your are. Wife beaters are NOT afraid that they are women and whites aren't afraid that they are black, because the outward evidence is rather transparent. However, homosexuality is about unseen desire, and forcible repressed desire, so its plausible for anyone to have such desires, no matter their outward actions. If you are in an environment where being gay has many negative consequences then that possibility will evoke fear in some people and fear is a close associate (experientially and neurologically) to hate and anger.
None of that really applies to bigotry against blacks or women. Also, I think that most racism and sexism is more about ideological ideas that serve a practical social/political agenda rather than the kind of vitriolic deep emotional hate aimed at gays.
Racism and sexism are very idea-based views that more about keeping these groups in their subservient role to preserve social order and reap the benefits of having underlings. IF gays were all second-class servants, I suspect they would still evoke strong hate because it isn't about keeping them down but about their very existence and the threat they pose to one's own identity but also to one's notion of God's perfect creation that reflects his will for how things should be.

Bear in mind that this vitriolic homophobia was even stronger when gays were closeted and few people actually knew any open gays. Homosexuality was little more than an unseen unencountered hypothetical, yet it evoked real vitriolic hate and rage. That indicates something particular about it that is not true of all forms of bigotry (but may be true for anti-atheist bigotry).

Oh, and wife beaters are not all women-haters. They beat for similar reasons people beat their kids. It is not about gender of the victim. Also, actual woman-haters may not fear they are women, but many certainly do fear being viewed as womanly or feminine. Homophobic fear and gender role fear are closely tied.

Usually, when someone acts like an asshole, it's not because of some psychological defence mechanism trying to lash out against something they see in themselves - it's because they're assholes.

I agree that being an asshole isn't usually projected self-loathing for fear that oneself is like them. However, there are many psychological defense mechanisms, so different one's could very well play a role in different assholeness. Also, there are very different kinds of being an asshole, each with different sets of underlying causes. "Because they are an asshole" isn't much of an explanation. Sure, some people are assholes to more often than other people. But are they similarly and asshole to everyone? Are they similarly and asshole to all outgroups? That is rarely true of even the biggest assholes. Thus, more inter-group specific psychological mechanisms are required to account for the to whom, where, and when they are assholes, and also to account for the qualitative nature of their ideas or emotions that trigger the asshole behavior. Fear that one belongs to that group is a partial contributor, and mere fear that one might be thought by others to be part of that group is enough, and neither of those really apply in a similar way to being in a different racial or sex group (mmmm, sex group)

BTW, controlled experiments have shown that gay male porn elicits more penile engorgement in self-labeled hetero males with homophobic attitudes than males without those attitudes. This isn't true of all of them, just significantly more than those without such negative emotions towards gays. IOW, homophobes react to porn more similar to gay men, than do self-labeled straight men without homophobic views.
As an aside, I don't put much stock in the research cited by Juma (nothing personal). Their methods are very weak and rely on the highly dubious "implicit attitudes" method, which is really just a measure of semantic associations that do not indicate why the the words have tiny difference in how strongly they prime each other. Basically, they leave way too many plausible alternative explanations than does how erect your dick gets when you watch men screw each other.

Now, it might be that one of the guys in the crowd that's doing this is gay. Focusing on that, however, is ignoring the problem in the same way as you would if you say that it's actually a pro-gay display because of the one hipster at the school who's wearing flannel ironically. This is happening because the students at this school are dipshits who are expressing their feelings about what dipshits they are, not because they're repressing their feelings about being gay themselves.

Certainly, as a social phenomena there are other maybe more important factors at play, but the fact is that gays are not a random target. IT is quite likely that fear of being viewed as gay and desire to demonstrate that one is not, plays a notable role in heightening the emotional vitriol and desire to participate in social public displays of anti-gay bigotry.
 
My comment about some of the boys being possibly gay was just thrown out there as something to think about, so it isn't meant to suggest that we should 'ignore' the possibility that they're just assholes. In the photo, we see them with their arms around one another. It just struck me as strange: a group of boys who are vocally anti-gay in a display of seemingly affectionate male bonding. None of us are mind-readers, so we are not fit to judge the inner turmoil going on inside these boys. Of course, idiots who actually harm, and even kill, gay men, should be publicly and privately condemned, regardless of their sexual orientation. Harming others without proper cause - ie self defense - is unacceptable and in some cases grievously disgusting.

I can't help recalling the number of high-profile anti-gay religious men (evangelists, several of them, if memory serves) who turned out to be leading lives as gay men in secret. Poor souls. They are almost literally brainwashed into a certain religious way of thinking which deeply conflicts with how they feel biologically. I also know that there are many gay men who can't stand flamboyantly gay men, who would never go to gay bars or show love to their lover in public. There was a good film with John Hurt as one such man, but I can't recall the title.

I had a gay friend (I've had several) who adamantly denied that he was gay all through high school. He slid his hand down the back of my jeans at a camping party in the woods when we were about 18 or 19. I imagine he thought I was gay too, since I don't have a single macho bone in my body and was frequently very affectionate with him. I'm a hugger by nature, especially when I'm drunk. I may have even led him on in a certain sense. Anyway, all I did was pull his hand off my my butt and say, "No, Dave!" We remained good friends ever since with no further incidence. He eventually came out and is now living with his partner in NY, but as far as I know he and his partner don't hold hands, kiss, or politicize their orientation. He never speaks about being gay on Facebook, or bring the subject up unless someone else does. He was born a fraternal twin, and his older brother (by 12 minutes) wouldn't speak to Dave for years, and I'm sure that had an impact on how Dave felt about himself.

I occasionally have wicked homo-erotic fantasies, but when I'm not in an erotic mood I'm revolted by them. I can't explain what exactly the problem is. I don't feel attracted to men, and even in my wildest fantasies I never think of kissing a man or actually engaging in intercourse. Fellatio is what my fantasies center on: not on me getting it from a man, but the reverse. Like I said, I don't know where those fantasies come from. Could be it stems from my cuckold fantasies: my existence as a beta male, a sense of inferiority to other men.

My older brother was fiercely homophobic when he was younger. Now, at 51, all he does is watch films with alpha males and wax reverent and suggestive about them. One night I was talking about how I think my attraction to women focuses on the pelvic area. All he did was go on and on about Elvis the Pelvis. He is now totally accepting of homosexuals, and deeply regrets his former existence as a gay-hater. His favorite singers are Adam Lambert, Rob Halford of Judas Priest, Elton John, Freddie Mercury, etc: all gay men.
 
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