Police Misconduct Catch All Thread

[laughing dog]

I don't think people should hold firearms while they sleep. But it is not illegal to do so. So, I don't think it is reasonable to say the victim was mishandling the firearm, and I know it is unreasonable to argue that mishandling (and nothing else) a firearm means the police are justified in killing you.

It is mishandling a firearm to handle it when you are not fully aware of your surroundings.
It is reasonable to assume that somebody who arms themselves after you enter the premises to serve a homicide warrant (and announce yourself) presents a clear and present danger.

Mr Locke was armed before the police entered.
Since the police were not fully aware of their surroundings when they entered, they mishandled their weapons?

 

[Derec]

1 dead, 4 injured and 2 in custody after mass shooting in NE Portland

Shooting at NE Portland park leaves 1 dead

Possibly related to an #BLM Amir Locke/Patrick Kimmons [an armed gang member who was shot by police right after he shot two other people a few years ago] protest that was scheduled for tonight in that area.

Two suspects are in custody but as of yet no info on who they are nor whom they targeted or why.

 

[laughing dog]

1 dead, 4 injured and 2 in custody after mass shooting in NE Portland

Shooting at NE Portland park leaves 1 dead

Possibly related to an #BLM Amir Locke/Patrick Kimmons [an armed gang member who was shot by police right after he shot two other people a few years ago] protest that was scheduled for tonight in that area.

Two suspects are in custody but as of yet no info on who they are nor whom they targeted or why.

How does for injecting "possibly related to #BLM protest" add information?

 

[Derec]

How does for injecting "possibly related to #BLM protest" add information?

Without the #BLM/Antifa protest angle, it's just another shooting, and they are a dime a dozen.
It's only because of the link to Amir Locke case that I posted it here.

Btw, police are now saying that it "began as a confrontation between an armed homeowner and armed protesters" but they are tight-lipped about details.
Argument between homeowner, protesters sparked Portland shooting, police say

Not excusing the shooting (pending more information of what exactly happened), but people are understandably sick and tired of protesters and rioters taking over their neighborhoods and blocking streets all the damn time.
By the way, the police press conference was interrupted by upset Antifas. That city really needs to get its shit together - the inmates are running the asylum at this point.

 

[laughing dog]

How does for injecting "possibly related to #BLM protest" add information?

Without the #BLM/Antifa protest angle, it's just another shooting, and they are a dime a dozen.
It's only because of the link to Amir Locke case that I posted it here.

In other words, there is no ratoinal reason to inject #BLM.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

How does for injecting "possibly related to #BLM protest" add information?

Without the #BLM/Antifa protest angle, it's just another shooting, and they are a dime a dozen.
It's only because of the link to Amir Locke case that I posted it here.

Btw, police are now saying that it "began as a confrontation between an armed homeowner and armed protesters" but they are tight-lipped about details.
Argument between homeowner, protesters sparked Portland shooting, police say

Not excusing the shooting (pending more information of what exactly happened), but people are understandably sick and tired of protesters and rioters taking over their neighborhoods and blocking streets all the damn time.
By the way, the police press conference was interrupted by upset Antifas. That city really needs to get its shit together - the inmates are running the asylum at this point.

Not willing to say anything about what happened probably means it doesn't fit the anti-BLM narrative.

 

[ZiprHead]

Alleged killer in Portland’s Normandale Park protest shooting identified

The man suspected of shooting and killing a racial justice demonstrator Saturday night has been identified as Benjamin Jeffrey Smith, 43, of Northeast Portland.

www.opb.org

The man suspected of shooting and killing a racial justice demonstrator Saturday night has been identified as Benjamin Jeffrey Smith, 43, of Northeast Portland.

Police confirmed Tuesday morning that Smith remains hospitalized in serious condition. A spokesperson for Multnomah County District Attorney Mike Schmidt said Smith has not been formally arrested yet because he is still in the intensive care unit.

Smith’s identity was first reported by antifascist researchers and the Oregonian/OregonLive. Smith’s roommate and neighbors said he had grown increasingly angry with protests in the neighborhood and across the city, as well as the unhoused community who camp in the area.

Smith’s roommate, Kristine Christenson, told OPB that when she first moved into his apartment seven years ago, he let her stay there for free.

“When I first moved in, he seemed fine,” she said. “He was actually not that bad of a guy.”

She said Smith slowly became more radicalized starting in the later years of the Obama administration and accelerating during the Trump administration. At times, she heard him yelling racial slurs in his room and deriding women.

“As the years went on, he’s just gotten more and more radicalized. He got angrier and angrier,” Christenson told OPB. “I have not been comfortable living with him for a while. I did not feel safe with him, especially this last two years with the whole COVID thing. I think that made him even more angry.”

Demonstrators said the shooting happened after Smith allegedly started yelling at a group of racial justice protesters holding a “justice for Amir Locke” demonstration at Normandale Park. Locke, who was Black, was killed by Minneapolis police serving a no-knock warrant earlier this month.

Witnesses to the Saturday shooting said people attempted to deescalate the situation when Smith allegedly pulled out a handgun and fired into the crowd, killing Brandy “June” Knightly, 60, and injuring four others. Witnesses said a protester returned fire, hitting Smith, who is in critical condition according to the Oregonian/OregonLive.

 

[ZiprHead]

PSYCH!!!

 

[Derec]

In other words, there is no ratoinal reason to inject #BLM.

You would not recognize a "ratoinal[sic] reason" if it bit your ass.

 

[Derec]

Not willing to say anything about what happened probably means it doesn't fit the anti-BLM narrative.

What this guy did is wrong - if it happened the way #BLM/Antifa road blockaders say it happened.
However, it is understandable that people are people are pissed at their neighborhoods being taken over by Antifa/#BLMers on a regular basis, often vandalizing businesses and public spaces in the process.
Ted Wheeler has not done enough, and the Multnomah DA is actively derelict in his duty to prosecute lawbreakers. Almost no #BLM/Antifa rioters have been prosecuted by the DA's office, including the Antifa occupiers who took over a neighborhood for weeks.

One thing that is certainly inconsistent in the narrative so far: the Antifa/#BLM claim is that the group was "peaceful and unarmed". If they were unarmed, how were they able to "return fire"?

 

[laughing dog]

In other words, there is no ratoinal reason to inject #BLM.

You would not recognize a "ratoinal[sic] reason" if it bit your ass.

If you are under the impression that is a rational reason to inject #BLM, you are modelling your own claim.

 

[ZiprHead]

What this guy did is wrong - if it happened the way #BLM/Antifa road blockaders say it happened.

They were in a park, not blocking any roads.

 

[Derec]

They were in a park, not blocking any roads.

The women who were shot were specifically there to block traffic for the march. Even pro-Antifa, far-left media like The Intercept acknowledges that much.

In fact, the march — a recurring racial justice protest called Justice for Patrick Kimmons, named for a Black man fatally shot by the Portland police in 2018 and led by his mother — had not yet reached the edge of Normandale Park where the women were getting positioned to block traffic.

And it's very on-brand for the Multnomah County DA to prosecute this shooter to the full extent of the law (as he should) but to exercise viewpoint discrimination and not prosecute Antifa rioters, arsonists and other lawbreakers just because he likes their politics.

 

[Derec]

If you are under the impression that is a rational reason to inject #BLM, you are modelling your own claim.

The shooting was at an Antifa/#BLM protest. I am not "injecting" anything, the connection is already there.
Sometimes I can see the internal logic of what you write even as I disagree with you.
This is not one of those times. You sound like a malfunctioning chatterbot.

 

[ZiprHead]

They were in a park, not blocking any roads.

The women who were shot were specifically there to block traffic for the march. Even pro-Antifa, far-left media like The Intercept acknowledges that much.

In fact, the march — a recurring racial justice protest called Justice for Patrick Kimmons, named for a Black man fatally shot by the Portland police in 2018 and led by his mother — had not yet reached the edge of Normandale Park where the women were getting positioned to block traffic.

So you acknowledge there was no blocked traffic at the time of the shooting.

 

[Derec]

So you acknowledge there was no blocked traffic at the time of the shooting.

How far along they were in their task is immaterial to them being road blockaders. Their goal was to block traffic.

 

[ZiprHead]

So you acknowledge there was no blocked traffic at the time of the shooting.

How far along they were in their task is immaterial to them being road blockaders. Their goal was to block traffic.

Did the right wing asshole that opened fire on them know that at the time?

 

[Derec]

Did the right wing asshole that opened fire on them know that at the time?

From the description of the incident, I think the right wing asshole knew what the left wing assholes were doing, yes.

The biggest assholes are the local authorities (especially the DA) who let the atmosphere of lawlessness fester for way too long. If people can't live life in their own cities because some extremist group takes over the streets on the regular, things are bound to boil over.

Look at how different antivax truckers are being treated for blocking streets and highways vs. how little consequences there were for #BLMers/Antifas when they were blocking streets and highways for the last 8 years!

 

[laughing dog]

Did the right wing asshole that opened fire on them know that at the time?

From the description of the incident, I think the right wing asshole knew what the left wing assholes were doing, yes.

The biggest assholes are the local authorities (especially the DA) who let the atmosphere of lawlessness fester for way too long. If people can't live life in their own cities because some extremist group takes over the streets on the regular, things are bound to boil over.

Look at how different antivax truckers are being treated for blocking streets and highways vs. how little consequences there were for #BLMers/Antifas when they were blocking streets and highways for the last 8 years!

None of the anti-vax truckers were shot or assaulted by rightwingers or the police. Was that your point?

 

[laughing dog]

If you are under the impression that is a rational reason to inject #BLM, you are modelling your own claim.

The shooting was at an Antifa/#BLM protest. I am not "injecting" anything, the connection is already there.

Your previous justification was
"Without the #BLM/Antifa protest angle, it's just another shooting, and they are a dime a dozen.
It's only because of the link to Amir Locke case that I posted it here. "
The two sentences are not logically linked.

Sometimes I can see the internal logic of what you write even as I disagree with you.
This is not one of those times. You sound like a malfunctioning chatterbot.

You sound like a bigot. with your obsession with #BLM.