Police Misconduct Catch All Thread

[Derec]

I don't have issue with police when they get it right. Heck I'm personally forgiving when they get it wrong (when no one dies as a result). I'm saying this because whenever the police got shit wrong you always bring up times when they got it right like that has fuck all to do with when they get shit wrong.

My point is that these multi-million dollar payouts are given even when police do nothing wrong. Therefore they are useless in incentivizing police departments to do better and avoid mistakes.

 

[Gospel]

My point is that these multi-million dollar payouts are given even when police do nothing wrong. Therefore they are useless in incentivizing police departments to do better and avoid mistakes.

Not if that money is coming out of both the officer's pockets and the police unions. I bet the union would be incentivized to push for better training and even the end of no-knock warrants that create situations like these.

 

[laughing dog]

No, they didn't. They saw him move with a gun in his hand.

Distinction without a difference.

No, it is not when you are talking about justifying killing someone.

Regardless, neither outcome is mishandling a firearm. Neither outcome is necessarily a threat.

Somebody "moving with a gun with his hand" toward the direction of one of the officers is a threat per se.

That is irrational. If you watch the actual video, there is no video confirmation of that this awaking victim moved toward the officer in any meaningful way.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Mr. Locke did not mishandle his firearm. The police saw the gun and fired at him. If anyone mishandled a firearm, it was the police.

Handling a firearm at all when not fully awake, alert and cognizant of your surroundings is mishandling it by definition.
Pointing your gun in the general direction of police officers serving a warrant is also mishandling your weapon.

Only to the kneejerk defenders of the police.

It's mishandling, period. It's just a lot more dangerous when you do it in front of the police.

 

[laughing dog]

Mr. Locke did not mishandle his firearm. The police saw the gun and fired at him. If anyone mishandled a firearm, it was the police.

Handling a firearm at all when not fully awake, alert and cognizant of your surroundings is mishandling it by definition.
Pointing your gun in the general direction of police officers serving a warrant is also mishandling your weapon.

Only to the kneejerk defenders of the police.

It's mishandling, period. It's just a lot more dangerous when you do it in front of the police.

How is it mishandling in your opinion?

 

[Derec]

How is it mishandling in your opinion?

Handling a firearm at all when you are not fully conscious or aware of your surroundings is mishandling it in my opinion.

 

[Derec]

That is irrational. If you watch the actual video, there is no video confirmation of that this awaking victim moved toward the officer in any meaningful way.

Not the POV officer, but there was another one just off to the right and Locke is pointing his gun toward the right.

 

[Derec]

Not if that money is coming out of both the officer's pockets and the police unions. I bet the union would be incentivized to push for better training and even the end of no-knock warrants that create situations like these.

If the city council is approving the settlements, they should be the ones paying for it.
And again, how are these payouts supposed to improve policing if families are paid even when police did nothing wrong?

On a more general basis, if a police officer encounters something that he perceives as a threat, he is not going to think "I may be sued" or even "I may be charged". As they say, it is better to be judged by twelve than carried by six.

 

[Toni]

Mr. Locke did not mishandle his firearm. The police saw the gun and fired at him. If anyone mishandled a firearm, it was the police.

Handling a firearm at all when not fully awake, alert and cognizant of your surroundings is mishandling it by definition.
Pointing your gun in the general direction of police officers serving a warrant is also mishandling your weapon.

Personally, I think it is unwise to sleep near a loaded (or unloaded)firearm but a lot of people disagree with that.

IMO, The person who is awake and startles awake a sleeping person has the advantage of being more fully cognizant of what is happening compared with the person who is sleeping. Therefore they have a greater duty of care. Killing someone you just startled awake because YOU felt threatened? Nope. The officer was a dumbass and a coward and shouldn't be allowed near a firearm after he serves his sentence.

 

[Toni]

Not if that money is coming out of both the officer's pockets and the police unions. I bet the union would be incentivized to push for better training and even the end of no-knock warrants that create situations like these.

If the city council is approving the settlements, they should be the ones paying for it.
And again, how are these payouts supposed to improve policing if families are paid even when police did nothing wrong?

On a more general basis, if a police officer encounters something that he perceives as a threat, he is not going to think "I may be sued" or even "I may be charged". As they say, it is better to be judged by twelve than carried by six.

No knock warrants are wrong in almost all cases. Too many times, some person is killed in their sleep or after being startled awake and reacting as you or I probably would if someone burst into their home or the room where they were sleeping, shouting and pointing firearms. Once is too many.

 

[ZiprHead]

Florida deputy accused of framing innocent man in a revenge plot

Former Lee County Deputy Niko Irizarry worked with two others in the scheme, alleged the sheriff, who said drugs were planted in the man’s car.

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A Florida sheriff’s deputy was fired and arrested after an investigation that alleged he took part in an effort to frame an innocent man, authorities said.

Former Lee County Sheriff's Deputy Niko Irizarry, 25, was arrested Friday on a charge of felony official misconduct. He was terminated the same day after being placed on leave, Sheriff Carmine Marceno said.


The charge stems from a Dec. 16 arrest when Irizarry took a man into custody on narcotics charges, Marceno said at a news conference Friday.

Internal affairs received a complaint early last month that led the sheriff's office to believe the arrest was unlawful. An investigation found that Irizarry conspired with two other men, Charles Custodio and Scott Snider, to arrest the victim because Custodio "had a personal hatred" for the victim, Marceno said.

Custodio is alleged to have obtained a large number of drugs and given them to Snider, Marceno said. Snider then posed as a real estate client and met up with the victim, who worked as a real estate broker, authorities said.

After Snider planted the drugs in the victim's car, Custodio contacted Irizarry and provided the victim's location so the deputy could make the arrest, Marceno said.

 

[laughing dog]

That is irrational. If you watch the actual video, there is no video confirmation of that this awaking victim moved toward the officer in any meaningful way.

Not the POV officer, but there was another one just off to the right and Locke is pointing his gun toward the right.

There is no way to see which way his firearm is pointing from the video.

If you look at the set up of the room and where the officers entered, the only way his firearm would not have naturally been pointing at an officer is he was sleeping with it pointing into him (his body or head) or unnaturally pointing at the ceiling or floor.

How is it mishandling in your opinion?

Handling a firearm at all when you are not fully conscious or aware of your surroundings is mishandling it in my opinion.

So, the police officers were mishandling their firearms since they were not fully aware of their surroundings?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

How is it mishandling in your opinion?

A simple first test: Would you be comfortable behind the wheel in that mental state? If not, then you shouldn't be handling a gun, either. It doesn't really matter what the reason is.

 

[Patooka]

So, the police officers were mishandling their firearms since they were not fully aware of their surroundings?

That is very much the point. You nailed it. Pretty certain it will go woosh though.

 

[ZiprHead]

Florida appeals court overturns conviction of Miami police officer who shot autistic man's caretaker | CNN

A South Florida appeals court Wednesday overturned the conviction of a former North Miami Police Department officer who was found guilty of negligence for shooting an autistic man's caretaker in 2016, court documents show.

www.cnn.com

(CNN)A South Florida appeals court Wednesday overturned the conviction of a former North Miami Police Department officer who was found guilty of negligence for shooting an autistic man's caretaker in 2016, court documents show.
Florida's Third District Court of Appeal overturned a "conviction for misdemeanor culpable negligence" for Jonathan Aledda after determining it was invalid because prosecutors did not allow testimony during a June 2019 trial from the SWAT commander who trained Aledda, the documents show.
In a statement emailed to CNN, Florida State Attorney Katherine Fernandez Rundle said the decision is "disappointing to all who believed that this shooting incident was unnecessary and incorrect." The office may ask the appeals court for a re-hearing, the statement continued.
Eric Schwartzreich and Anthony Bruno, attorneys for Aledda, told CNN, "We look forward to the State dropping the charges or in the alternative to Mr. Aledda being found not guilty."
In July 2016, Aledda was one of 13 officers who responded to a call about a man with a gun, court documents show. When officers arrived, they encountered Arnaldo Rios-Soto, a man with severe developmental disabilities, and his caretaker Charles Kinsey in the middle of an intersection, according to court documents.

Here's a reminder of the scene.

 

[laughing dog]

How is it mishandling in your opinion?

A simple first test: Would you be comfortable behind the wheel in that mental state? If not, then you shouldn't be handling a gun, either. It doesn't really matter what the reason is.

I don't think people should hold firearms while they sleep. But it is not illegal to do so. So, I don't think it is reasonable to say the victim was mishandling the firearm, and I know it is unreasonable to argue that mishandling (and nothing else) a firearm means the police are justified in killing you.

 

[Patooka]

54 California Highway Patrol officers charged in overtime fraud scheme

Nearly five dozen former and current California Highway Patrol officers are accused of collecting more than $225,000 in an overtime scheme, officials say.

news.yahoo.com

"We write the reports" is the reason shit like this happens. And if you don't understand the meaning of "We write the reports", you're probably someone who believes in Blue Lives Matter.

 

[Derec]

"We write the reports" is the reason shit like this happens. And if you don't understand the meaning of "We write the reports", you're probably someone who believes in Blue Lives Matter.

So you are saying that police officers' lives don't matter because some of them falsify overtime reports?

 

[Derec]

I don't think people should hold firearms while they sleep. But it is not illegal to do so. So, I don't think it is reasonable to say the victim was mishandling the firearm, and I know it is unreasonable to argue that mishandling (and nothing else) a firearm means the police are justified in killing you.

It is mishandling a firearm to handle it when you are not fully aware of your surroundings.
It is reasonable to assume that somebody who arms themselves after you enter the premises to serve a homicide warrant (and announce yourself) presents a clear and present danger.

 

[Patooka]

"We write the reports" is the reason shit like this happens. And if you don't understand the meaning of "We write the reports", you're probably someone who believes in Blue Lives Matter.

So you are saying that police officers' lives don't matter because some of them falsify overtime reports?

Yes. That is exactly what I am saying.

Clearly.