Post-poll Brexit poll

[Speakpigeon]

Nigel Farage has joined Boris Johnson on the sidelines.

Both Farage and Johnson are pretty fucked as politicians now. They can't have expected to win considering all the shit they spouted. If you lie as much as they did and you're called on it... well... If they stay it won't get pretty. I think they both know it.

Sometimes it's better to wait for the chips to fall before making sweeping statements.

That being said he was booed during his first speech as foreign secretary, I think at the British Ambassy here in Paris. It's unclear whether the hecklers were French or Bristish.

Still, now he has to face the music.
EB

 

[angelo]

Australia was built by migrants from all walks of life. I learned just yesterday that around 30% of all our locally grown produce is grown by South East Asian migrants.
It's the latest batch of migrants who are not pulling their weight!

 

[Speakpigeon]

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Good one but slightly off-target. Cats don't understand the notion of enclosure. All they see are obstacles along their routine trips around their territory. Brexiters are territorial too but they probably understand that one has to be in or out. Or do they?
EB

 

[Speakpigeon]

There is nothig to suggest that wages in theselves would go down. Europe has its problems.Spain and Portugal cannot keep their budget deficits down, and are facing a fine (which I understand will be levied later). Italy has financial problems, Greece has still a lot of issues despite the bale outs. Why would the poorest be worse of if the UK restricts the migration of poorer workers. Public services have already been reduced. The UK has extra revenue from no longer paying the EU (net about 21 million per day). Some could also go to paying off the debts.

Because very many firms are in the UK because it allows them to work in the EU, and are now preparing to leave, because the UK will have little access to other markets and because farmers especially will be hugely worse off, particularly in not being able to hire cheap labour when the supermarkets are screwing them into the ground. If we get any money back - which is extremely dubious - it will, of course, go to the very rich. The naivety of the Brexit lot is utterly depressing. You think WE are in power here?

Should be easier to be in power in Britain than, say, in Russia or Egypt.
EB

 

[Speakpigeon]

UK leaves the EU without actually leaving it.

Again a story of the wrong kind of leave.
EB

 

[DrZoidberg]

Both Farage and Johnson are pretty fucked as politicians now. They can't have expected to win considering all the shit they spouted. If you lie as much as they did and you're called on it... well... If they stay it won't get pretty. I think they both know it.

Sometimes it's better to wait for the chips to fall before making sweeping statements.

That being said he was booed during his first speech as foreign secretary, I think at the British Ambassy here in Paris. It's unclear whether the hecklers were French or Bristish.

Still, now he has to face the music.
EB

Hmm.. shrewd move by both of them. He buys credibility and she buys the working mans vote. His supporters are almost all uneducated and poor working class. The very demographic the conservatives are bad at attracting.

 

[jonatha]

Sometimes it's better to wait for the chips to fall before making sweeping statements.

That being said he was booed during his first speech as foreign secretary, I think at the British Ambassy here in Paris. It's unclear whether the hecklers were French or Bristish.

Still, now he has to face the music.
EB

Hmm.. shrewd move by both of them. He buys credibility and she buys the working mans vote. His supporters are almost all uneducated and poor working class. The very demographic the conservatives are bad at attracting.

Hillary should reciprocate by naming The Donald Secretary of State

 

[whichphilosophy]

As part of BREXIT, the UK needs a strong government which will not allow the EU to asset strip our industries in favour of other EU companies

You will find bits and pieces on different blogs but here is one I received in my mail.




Did you vote in??? This explains why out was the correct way to vote.


A short list of financial and industrial FUBARs from the EU...

Cadbury moved factory to Poland 2011 with EU grant.
Ford Transit moved to Turkey 2013 with EU grant.
Jaguar Land Rover has recently agreed to build a new plant in Slovakia with EU grant, owned by Tata, the same company who have trashed our steel works and emptied the workers’ pension funds.
Peugeot closed its Ryton (was Rootes Group) plant and moved production to Slovakia with EU grant.
British Army's new Ajax fighting vehicles to be built in SPAIN using SWEDISH steel at the request of the EU to support jobs in Spain with EU grant, rather than Wales.
Dyson gone to Malaysia, with an EU loan.
Crown Closures, Bournemouth (Was METAL BOX), gone to Poland with EU grant, once employed 1,200.
M&S manufacturing gone to far east with EU loan.
Hornby models gone. In fact all toys and models now gone from UK along with the patents all with EU grants.
Gillette gone to eastern Europe with EU grant.
Texas Instruments Greenock gone to Germany with EU grant.
Indesit at Bodelwyddan Wales gone with EU grant.
Sekisui Alveo said production at its Merthyr Tydfil Industrial Park foam plant will relocate production to Roermond in the Netherlands, with EU funding.
Hoover Merthyr factory moved out of UK to Czech Republic and the Far East by Italian company Candy with EU backing.
ICI integration into Holland’s AkzoNobel with EU bank loan and within days of the merger, several factories in the UK, were closed, eliminating 3,500 jobs
Boots sold to Italians Stefano Pessina who have based their HQ in Switzerland to avoid tax to the tune of £80 million a year, using an EU loan for the purchase.
JDS Uniphase run by two Dutch men, bought up companies in the UK with £20 million in EU 'regeneration' grants, created a pollution nightmare and just closed it all down leaving 1,200 out of work and an environmental clean-up paid for by the UK tax-payer. They also raided the pension fund and drained it dry.
UK airports are owned by a Spanish company.
Scottish Power is owned by a Spanish company.
Most London buses are run by Spanish and German companies.
The Hinkley Point C nuclear power station to be built by French company EDF, part owned by the French government, using cheap Chinese steel that has catastrophically failed in other nuclear installations. Now EDF say the costs will be double or more and it will be very late even if it does come online. (I worked in China and quality of Steel has been a problem)
Swindon was once our producer of rail locomotives and rolling stock. Not any more, it's Bombardier in Derby and due to their losses in the aviation market, that could see the end of the British railways manufacturing altogether even though Bombardier had EU grants to keep Derby going which they diverted to their loss-making aviation side in Canada.
39% of British invention patents have been passed to foreign companies, many of them in the EU.
The Mini cars that Cameron stood in front of as an example of British engineering, are built by BMWmostly in Holland and Austria. His campaign bus was made in Germany even though we have Plaxton, Optare, Bluebird, Dennis etc., in the UK.
The bicycle for the Greens was made in the far east, not by Raleigh UK but then they are probably going to move to the Netherlands too as they have said recently.

Anyone who thinks the EU is good for British industry or any other business simply hasn't paid attention to what has been systematically asset-stripped from the UK. Name me one major technology company still running in the UK.
We used to contract out to many, then the work just dried up as they were sold off to companies from France, Germany, Holland, Belgium, etc., and now we don't even teach electronic technology for technicians any more, due to EU regulations.

I haven't detailed our non-existent fishing industry the EU paid to destroy, nor the farmers being paid NOT to produce food they could sell for more than they get paid to do nothing, don't even go there.

I haven't mentioned what it costs us to be asset-stripped like this, nor have I mentioned immigration, nor the risk to our security if control of our armed forces is passed to Brussels or Germany.

Find something that's gone the other way, I've looked and I just can't.

And of course, the real deal-breaker ....the European Commission dictate 55% of UK laws WITHOUT DEMOCRACY. END OF QUOTE

In reality the un-elected EU Commission dictates all of the UKs Laws.
I am not sure if the Conservatives will try to poodle up with Europe to continue the decimation of Britain's industries helped by EU funding or it will protect them.
There is also this blog which says almost the same as the above.
http://www.alrush.biz/eu-engineered-manufacturing-closures-uk-favour-eu/

 

[iolo]

As I understand it, Australia has a higher proportion of immigrants, racist as it is: the various countries otherwise quoted by the liars certainly have. If I buy Indian food, I expect Indian food. It's simple enough.

When I went to Sydney there was a huge diversity of people. It's a friendly easy going city. Most of the Taxi drivers were Iraqi, in the hotel where I stayed there were no 2 people of the same nationality on the desk. They came from China, Iran, Australia, and a few other countries where I came from.
The concern in Australia was the volume of people who recently started coming in which was more than the amount it absorbed.
A good place for Indian food used to be a series of streets near Warren Street station. This was mainly frequented by Indians in the small community. Maybe it's changed.
There are some good Indian and pretty poor ones around. I'm fortunate as I was working with a lot of Indians mainly from the South. So even in Italy we could find an excellent place with nearly all Indian customers. The prices are also generally very good. Since I don't drink alcohol (any more) the taste of food is important.

Yup - my daughter was there not long since. Sounds a good place. Setting up concentration camps, though, is something I never favour.

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Because very many firms are in the UK because it allows them to work in the EU, and are now preparing to leave, because the UK will have little access to other markets and because farmers especially will be hugely worse off, particularly in not being able to hire cheap labour when the supermarkets are screwing them into the ground. If we get any money back - which is extremely dubious - it will, of course, go to the very rich. The naivety of the Brexit lot is utterly depressing. You think WE are in power here?

Should be easier to be in power in Britain than, say, in Russia or Egypt.
EB

For Etonians, Mr Murdoch and such, perhaps.

 

[whichphilosophy]

When I went to Sydney there was a huge diversity of people. It's a friendly easy going city. Most of the Taxi drivers were Iraqi, in the hotel where I stayed there were no 2 people of the same nationality on the desk. They came from China, Iran, Australia, and a few other countries where I came from.
The concern in Australia was the volume of people who recently started coming in which was more than the amount it absorbed.
A good place for Indian food used to be a series of streets near Warren Street station. This was mainly frequented by Indians in the small community. Maybe it's changed.
There are some good Indian and pretty poor ones around. I'm fortunate as I was working with a lot of Indians mainly from the South. So even in Italy we could find an excellent place with nearly all Indian customers. The prices are also generally very good. Since I don't drink alcohol (any more) the taste of food is important.

Yup - my daughter was there not long since. Sounds a good place. Setting up concentration camps, though, is something I never favour.

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Because very many firms are in the UK because it allows them to work in the EU, and are now preparing to leave, because the UK will have little access to other markets and because farmers especially will be hugely worse off, particularly in not being able to hire cheap labour when the supermarkets are screwing them into the ground. If we get any money back - which is extremely dubious - it will, of course, go to the very rich. The naivety of the Brexit lot is utterly depressing. You think WE are in power here?

Should be easier to be in power in Britain than, say, in Russia or Egypt.
EB

For Etonians, Mr Murdoch and such, perhaps.

The problem is Britain's industry has been trashed as a result of EU membership and assets and work transferred to other European countries in the EU.
Perhaps the Etonians, and Murdoch will be around as usual. However at least Boris the Clown will provide some excellent entertainment now and again.

 

[angelo]

As part of BREXIT, the UK needs a strong government which will not allow the EU to asset strip our industries in favour of other EU companies

You will find bits and pieces on different blogs but here is one I received in my mail.




Did you vote in??? This explains why out was the correct way to vote.


A short list of financial and industrial FUBARs from the EU...

Cadbury moved factory to Poland 2011 with EU grant.
Ford Transit moved to Turkey 2013 with EU grant.
Jaguar Land Rover has recently agreed to build a new plant in Slovakia with EU grant, owned by Tata, the same company who have trashed our steel works and emptied the workers’ pension funds.
Peugeot closed its Ryton (was Rootes Group) plant and moved production to Slovakia with EU grant.
British Army's new Ajax fighting vehicles to be built in SPAIN using SWEDISH steel at the request of the EU to support jobs in Spain with EU grant, rather than Wales.
Dyson gone to Malaysia, with an EU loan.
Crown Closures, Bournemouth (Was METAL BOX), gone to Poland with EU grant, once employed 1,200.
M&S manufacturing gone to far east with EU loan.
Hornby models gone. In fact all toys and models now gone from UK along with the patents all with EU grants.
Gillette gone to eastern Europe with EU grant.
Texas Instruments Greenock gone to Germany with EU grant.
Indesit at Bodelwyddan Wales gone with EU grant.
Sekisui Alveo said production at its Merthyr Tydfil Industrial Park foam plant will relocate production to Roermond in the Netherlands, with EU funding.
Hoover Merthyr factory moved out of UK to Czech Republic and the Far East by Italian company Candy with EU backing.
ICI integration into Holland’s AkzoNobel with EU bank loan and within days of the merger, several factories in the UK, were closed, eliminating 3,500 jobs
Boots sold to Italians Stefano Pessina who have based their HQ in Switzerland to avoid tax to the tune of £80 million a year, using an EU loan for the purchase.
JDS Uniphase run by two Dutch men, bought up companies in the UK with £20 million in EU 'regeneration' grants, created a pollution nightmare and just closed it all down leaving 1,200 out of work and an environmental clean-up paid for by the UK tax-payer. They also raided the pension fund and drained it dry.
UK airports are owned by a Spanish company.
Scottish Power is owned by a Spanish company.
Most London buses are run by Spanish and German companies.
The Hinkley Point C nuclear power station to be built by French company EDF, part owned by the French government, using cheap Chinese steel that has catastrophically failed in other nuclear installations. Now EDF say the costs will be double or more and it will be very late even if it does come online. (I worked in China and quality of Steel has been a problem)
Swindon was once our producer of rail locomotives and rolling stock. Not any more, it's Bombardier in Derby and due to their losses in the aviation market, that could see the end of the British railways manufacturing altogether even though Bombardier had EU grants to keep Derby going which they diverted to their loss-making aviation side in Canada.
39% of British invention patents have been passed to foreign companies, many of them in the EU.
The Mini cars that Cameron stood in front of as an example of British engineering, are built by BMWmostly in Holland and Austria. His campaign bus was made in Germany even though we have Plaxton, Optare, Bluebird, Dennis etc., in the UK.
The bicycle for the Greens was made in the far east, not by Raleigh UK but then they are probably going to move to the Netherlands too as they have said recently.

Anyone who thinks the EU is good for British industry or any other business simply hasn't paid attention to what has been systematically asset-stripped from the UK. Name me one major technology company still running in the UK.
We used to contract out to many, then the work just dried up as they were sold off to companies from France, Germany, Holland, Belgium, etc., and now we don't even teach electronic technology for technicians any more, due to EU regulations.

I haven't detailed our non-existent fishing industry the EU paid to destroy, nor the farmers being paid NOT to produce food they could sell for more than they get paid to do nothing, don't even go there.

I haven't mentioned what it costs us to be asset-stripped like this, nor have I mentioned immigration, nor the risk to our security if control of our armed forces is passed to Brussels or Germany.

Find something that's gone the other way, I've looked and I just can't.

And of course, the real deal-breaker ....the European Commission dictate 55% of UK laws WITHOUT DEMOCRACY. END OF QUOTE

In reality the un-elected EU Commission dictates all of the UKs Laws.
I am not sure if the Conservatives will try to poodle up with Europe to continue the decimation of Britain's industries helped by EU funding or it will protect them.
There is also this blog which says almost the same as the above.
http://www.alrush.biz/eu-engineered-manufacturing-closures-uk-favour-eu/

If any other reason was needed to tell the EU to go and get fucked!

 

[whichphilosophy]

As part of BREXIT, the UK needs a strong government which will not allow the EU to asset strip our industries in favour of other EU companies

You will find bits and pieces on different blogs but here is one I received in my mail.




Did you vote in??? This explains why out was the correct way to vote.


A short list of financial and industrial FUBARs from the EU...

Cadbury moved factory to Poland 2011 with EU grant.
Ford Transit moved to Turkey 2013 with EU grant.
Jaguar Land Rover has recently agreed to build a new plant in Slovakia with EU grant, owned by Tata, the same company who have trashed our steel works and emptied the workers’ pension funds.
Peugeot closed its Ryton (was Rootes Group) plant and moved production to Slovakia with EU grant.
British Army's new Ajax fighting vehicles to be built in SPAIN using SWEDISH steel at the request of the EU to support jobs in Spain with EU grant, rather than Wales.
Dyson gone to Malaysia, with an EU loan.
Crown Closures, Bournemouth (Was METAL BOX), gone to Poland with EU grant, once employed 1,200.
M&S manufacturing gone to far east with EU loan.
Hornby models gone. In fact all toys and models now gone from UK along with the patents all with EU grants.
Gillette gone to eastern Europe with EU grant.
Texas Instruments Greenock gone to Germany with EU grant.
Indesit at Bodelwyddan Wales gone with EU grant.
Sekisui Alveo said production at its Merthyr Tydfil Industrial Park foam plant will relocate production to Roermond in the Netherlands, with EU funding.
Hoover Merthyr factory moved out of UK to Czech Republic and the Far East by Italian company Candy with EU backing.
ICI integration into Holland’s AkzoNobel with EU bank loan and within days of the merger, several factories in the UK, were closed, eliminating 3,500 jobs
Boots sold to Italians Stefano Pessina who have based their HQ in Switzerland to avoid tax to the tune of £80 million a year, using an EU loan for the purchase.
JDS Uniphase run by two Dutch men, bought up companies in the UK with £20 million in EU 'regeneration' grants, created a pollution nightmare and just closed it all down leaving 1,200 out of work and an environmental clean-up paid for by the UK tax-payer. They also raided the pension fund and drained it dry.
UK airports are owned by a Spanish company.
Scottish Power is owned by a Spanish company.
Most London buses are run by Spanish and German companies.
The Hinkley Point C nuclear power station to be built by French company EDF, part owned by the French government, using cheap Chinese steel that has catastrophically failed in other nuclear installations. Now EDF say the costs will be double or more and it will be very late even if it does come online. (I worked in China and quality of Steel has been a problem)
Swindon was once our producer of rail locomotives and rolling stock. Not any more, it's Bombardier in Derby and due to their losses in the aviation market, that could see the end of the British railways manufacturing altogether even though Bombardier had EU grants to keep Derby going which they diverted to their loss-making aviation side in Canada.
39% of British invention patents have been passed to foreign companies, many of them in the EU.
The Mini cars that Cameron stood in front of as an example of British engineering, are built by BMWmostly in Holland and Austria. His campaign bus was made in Germany even though we have Plaxton, Optare, Bluebird, Dennis etc., in the UK.
The bicycle for the Greens was made in the far east, not by Raleigh UK but then they are probably going to move to the Netherlands too as they have said recently.

Anyone who thinks the EU is good for British industry or any other business simply hasn't paid attention to what has been systematically asset-stripped from the UK. Name me one major technology company still running in the UK.
We used to contract out to many, then the work just dried up as they were sold off to companies from France, Germany, Holland, Belgium, etc., and now we don't even teach electronic technology for technicians any more, due to EU regulations.

I haven't detailed our non-existent fishing industry the EU paid to destroy, nor the farmers being paid NOT to produce food they could sell for more than they get paid to do nothing, don't even go there.

I haven't mentioned what it costs us to be asset-stripped like this, nor have I mentioned immigration, nor the risk to our security if control of our armed forces is passed to Brussels or Germany.

Find something that's gone the other way, I've looked and I just can't.

And of course, the real deal-breaker ....the European Commission dictate 55% of UK laws WITHOUT DEMOCRACY. END OF QUOTE

In reality the un-elected EU Commission dictates all of the UKs Laws.
I am not sure if the Conservatives will try to poodle up with Europe to continue the decimation of Britain's industries helped by EU funding or it will protect them.
There is also this blog which says almost the same as the above.
http://www.alrush.biz/eu-engineered-manufacturing-closures-uk-favour-eu/

If any other reason was needed to tell the EU to go and get fucked!

Indeed, Euro Nostra paid for the destruction of British industry so the large corporations could simply move them abroad and maximize their profits. Don't tell this to the left wing socialists who voted to stay in the EU. This is too socialist for them

 

[iolo]

Whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad. Heil Brexit, heil Trump!

 

[DrZoidberg]

If any other reason was needed to tell the EU to go and get fucked!

Indeed, Euro Nostra paid for the destruction of British industry so the large corporations could simply move them abroad and maximize their profits. Don't tell this to the left wing socialists who voted to stay in the EU. This is too socialist for them

WTF... are you crazy? Here's what destroyed British industry. The Internet and the computer revolution. High tech industries were more profitable than low tech industries. Which pushed up wages, pushing out low wage industrial jobs out of the country. Yes, it sucks to be uneducated in England now. But the country is more rich than it has ever been before.

The countries that have attracted the low profit low tech industrial jobs are countries with a less educated population. They are less wealthy that the UK.

This should be so fucking obvious today it's embarrassing to have to point it out. Guess what will happen when the robot revolution has it's breakthrough into the market. All those countries that have taken over the British low skilled industries will have zero low skilled jobs and be even more poor than they were when they first took over those industries. Why not be happy the UK won't be them? WTF are you whining about?

 

[Speakpigeon]

Hmm.. shrewd move by both of them. He buys credibility and she buys the working mans vote. His supporters are almost all uneducated and poor working class. The very demographic the conservatives are bad at attracting.

Hillary should reciprocate by naming The Donald Secretary of State

That's right. You'd have the basis for starting a new kind of very special relationship betwen the U.S. and Britain. The Simpsons would love it.
EB

 

[Speakpigeon]

Sometimes it's better to wait for the chips to fall before making sweeping statements.

That being said he was booed during his first speech as foreign secretary, I think at the British Ambassy here in Paris. It's unclear whether the hecklers were French or Bristish.

Still, now he has to face the music.
EB

Hmm.. shrewd move by both of them. He buys credibility and she buys the working mans vote. His supporters are almost all uneducated and poor working class. The very demographic the conservatives are bad at attracting.

I would say he is peddling his wits to the disgruntled middle class. Those who have been hemorraging power and money to the new econompy for years now. Maggie was an early fan when he was still a journalist making up quotes reporting on the EU from Brussels. It will be the job of Theresa to win back the working poor for the Conservatives. Remember it was her who criticised the Tory as the Nasty Party. I think she chose Boris to placate her critics that she might try not to implement the referendum's decision to leave. And it will be a long and thankless job. He's probably greatful to her to have rescued him. He's going to need to be really smart. At least, it's going to be fun to follow in dark times.
EB

 

[Speakpigeon]

Because very many firms are in the UK because it allows them to work in the EU, and are now preparing to leave, because the UK will have little access to other markets and because farmers especially will be hugely worse off, particularly in not being able to hire cheap labour when the supermarkets are screwing them into the ground. If we get any money back - which is extremely dubious - it will, of course, go to the very rich. The naivety of the Brexit lot is utterly depressing. You think WE are in power here?

Should be easier to be in power in Britain than, say, in Russia or Egypt.
EB

For Etonians, Mr Murdoch and such, perhaps.

What kept Jeremy's friends from power? Why didn't they do what they're doing now before Blair could win the Labour leadership? Same thing in France, Greece, Italy etc. In Russia and Egypt opponents have some excuse. They are murdered or put in jail.
EB

 

[angelo]

Australia it seems will be better for Brexit as a free trade agreement may be just months away.

 

[Canard DuJour]

Because very many firms are in the UK because it allows them to work in the EU, and are now preparing to leave, because the UK will have little access to other markets and because farmers especially will be hugely worse off, particularly in not being able to hire cheap labour when the supermarkets are screwing them into the ground. If we get any money back - which is extremely dubious - it will, of course, go to the very rich. The naivety of the Brexit lot is utterly depressing. You think WE are in power here?

Should be easier to be in power in Britain than, say, in Russia or Egypt.
EB

For Etonians, Mr Murdoch and such, perhaps.

What kept Jeremy's friends from power? Why didn't they do what they're doing now before Blair could win the Labour leadership? Same thing in France, Greece, Italy etc. In Russia and Egypt opponents have some excuse. They are murdered or put in jail.
EB

People could tolerate growing inequality and financial/job insecurity while the consumer credit and housing bubbles provided the illusion of prosperity. They burst in 2008.

Since then, Leave campaigners fed the lie that the EU and immigrants are to blame for said insecurity and inequality. Conservative and New Labour Remain campaigners had no response because they could not name the true culprit : the neoliberal policies they support.

Though Brexit will create more losers than winners, neither campaign deserved to win the referendum.

 

[Speakpigeon]

People could tolerate growing inequality and financial/job insecurity while the consumer credit and housing bubbles provided the illusion of prosperity. They burst in 2008.

Well, sure, but 2008 also forced the Conservatives to opt for austerity (or keeping within your means as Theresa just said), which is really when many people started to feel the pinch. The same is happening in France, Belgium, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Greece etc. You have both the low-paid workers and a big chunk of the middle class which is affected. And they are going both leftward and rightward.

Since then, Leave campaigners fed the lie that the EU and immigrants are to blame for said insecurity and inequality. Conservative and New Labour Remain campaigners had no response because they could not name the true culprit : the neoliberal policies they support.

But it depends on how you interpret the story. Neoliberalism was meant to be the only solution. Anything else would have been worse. A return to nationalism and perhaps war. Within that perspective, the culprit is the faltering of economy, not the economic policies followed. Maybe a different economic policy could have and could still succeed but I don't see that happening anywhere in the countries mentionned and certainly not in France.

My interpretation is that economic liberalism cannot be fair to workers at a time when jobs are draining away and taxes get more difficult to get in. The question is: could anybody perform better in government? And where are these people?

Brexit will create more losers than winners

I think so but the truth is, we just don't know.
EB