Post-poll Brexit poll

[jonatha]

Nigel Farage has joined Boris Johnson on the sidelines.

 

[whichphilosophy]

The work gets done even if there is no imported labour. Hotels need to keep open and offices need to keep clean. However there will be a need for some immigrant workers in the UK but generally from specialist fields. The only problem would be Tory Euro-grovel government. Whether it backslides and obstructs the leave process, or it bumbles along in its characteristic gross ineptitude, (and there wouldn't be a noticeable difference either way) this could backfire if a government went against the leave vote by voting against it for instance.

Either way all the parties with seats will accept asylum seekers but less so for economic migrants.

No - farms can grow something else, keep animals or sell up to property developers. The supermarkets have them by the throat and care only for their own short-term profits. The point is that the Brexit liars promised incompatible things, and you can't have incompatible things, so the best bet is to make the scoundrels do the negotiating, after the mugs have experienced a few months of chaos, since otherwise they will just tell more lies about 'Project Fear'.

What else should the grow; cannabis?
From the money that the UK has given to Europe which is £55 million a year but after rebates and farming subsidies, that leaves a contribution of about £21 million a day. Britain can simply apply the same subsidies to the farmers without losing anything. So there is nothing really to promise. It would be madness not to.

Currently the departure will be up to the bumbling buffoons of the Tory party who have no leader, and were just as bad off with one. They have a hard time doing something they want to do, never mind something they are reluctant to take on. At least Thatchler would have moved things fast, (even if in the wrong direction).

You can't say they they are BREXIT liars until the UK leaves. but it is up to the current Euro-grovelling government to start this process, after they finish horse trading over who the next leader is.

 

[whichphilosophy]

DUPLICATE

 

[DrZoidberg]

Nigel Farage has joined Boris Johnson on the sidelines.

Both Farage and Johnson are pretty fucked as politicians now. They can't have expected to win considering all the shit they spouted. If you lie as much as they did and you're called on it... well... If they stay it won't get pretty. I think they both know it.

 

[iolo]

No - farms can grow something else, keep animals or sell up to property developers. The supermarkets have them by the throat and care only for their own short-term profits. The point is that the Brexit liars promised incompatible things, and you can't have incompatible things, so the best bet is to make the scoundrels do the negotiating, after the mugs have experienced a few months of chaos, since otherwise they will just tell more lies about 'Project Fear'.

What else should the grow; cannabis?
From the money that the UK has given to Europe which is £55 million a year but after rebates and farming subsidies, that leaves a contribution of about £21 million a day. Britain can simply apply the same subsidies to the farmers without losing anything. So there is nothing really to promise. It would be madness not to.

Currently the departure will be up to the bumbling buffoons of the Tory party who have no leader, and were just as bad off with one. They have a hard time doing something they want to do, never mind something they are reluctant to take on. At least Thatchler would have moved things fast, (even if in the wrong direction).

You can't say they they are BREXIT liars until the UK leaves. but it is up to the current Euro-grovelling government to start this process, after they finish horse trading over who the next leader is.

And to the NHS. And to the new high-speed railway to Manchester. And to anything else the liars could think off. Can't be did! It is one think to talk pie in the sky, quite another thing to serve it. And incidentally, those figures should be in American billions surely? The liars should be made to do the negotiations, then put in padded cells where they belong. Why do you think their fuhrers are running like rats?

 

[whichphilosophy]

What else should the grow; cannabis?
From the money that the UK has given to Europe which is £55 million a year but after rebates and farming subsidies, that leaves a contribution of about £21 million a day. Britain can simply apply the same subsidies to the farmers without losing anything. So there is nothing really to promise. It would be madness not to.

Currently the departure will be up to the bumbling buffoons of the Tory party who have no leader, and were just as bad off with one. They have a hard time doing something they want to do, never mind something they are reluctant to take on. At least Thatchler would have moved things fast, (even if in the wrong direction).

You can't say they they are BREXIT liars until the UK leaves. but it is up to the current Euro-grovelling government to start this process, after they finish horse trading over who the next leader is.

And to the NHS. And to the new high-speed railway to Manchester. And to anything else the liars could think off. Can't be did! It is one think to talk pie in the sky, quite another thing to serve it. And incidentally, those figures should be in American billions surely? The liars should be made to do the negotiations, then put in padded cells where they belong. Why do you think their fuhrers are running like rats?

£21 million pounds a day means some can be used where needed for the National Health. Also reduce the hoards coming into Britain, so as to reduce the NHS burden. The cost of the Project is estimated at between £10 to £15 billion, but with design and construction cock ups we can say £20 billion.
The councils involved are stick jerking around with feasibility studies etc.

If it starts this year it will be completed by 2030, but based on previous projects a little later.
Say we spend around £1.4 billion a year then the savings from paying the Euro-Mafia our protection money will more than cover it including some for the NHS.
The people in favour of BREXIT should be involved in the leave process to reduce the Tory Cock ups on the way.

 

[whichphilosophy]

What else should the grow; cannabis?
From the money that the UK has given to Europe which is £55 million a year but after rebates and farming subsidies, that leaves a contribution of about £21 million a day. Britain can simply apply the same subsidies to the farmers without losing anything. So there is nothing really to promise. It would be madness not to.

Currently the departure will be up to the bumbling buffoons of the Tory party who have no leader, and were just as bad off with one. They have a hard time doing something they want to do, never mind something they are reluctant to take on. At least Thatchler would have moved things fast, (even if in the wrong direction).

You can't say they they are BREXIT liars until the UK leaves. but it is up to the current Euro-grovelling government to start this process, after they finish horse trading over who the next leader is.

And to the NHS. And to the new high-speed railway to Manchester. And to anything else the liars could think off. Can't be did! It is one think to talk pie in the sky, quite another thing to serve it. And incidentally, those figures should be in American billions surely? The liars should be made to do the negotiations, then put in padded cells where they belong. Why do you think their fuhrers are running like rats?

£21 million pounds a day means some can be used where needed for the National Health. Also reduce the hoards coming into Britain, so as to reduce the NHS burden. The cost of the Project is estimated at between £10 to £15 billion, but with design and construction cock ups we can say £20 billion.
The councils involved are stick jerking around with feasibility studies etc.

If it starts this year it will be completed by 2030, but based on previous projects a little later.
Say we spend around £1.4 billion a year then the savings from paying the Euro-Mafia our protection money will more than cover it including some for the NHS.
The people in favour of BREXIT should be involved in the leave process to reduce the Tory Cock ups on the way.

 

[whichphilosophy]

Nigel Farage has joined Boris Johnson on the sidelines.

Farage is not a member of the governing party but an opposition party. The current Tory government will negotiate the BREXIT not the UKIP.

 

[jonatha]

Nigel Farage has joined Boris Johnson on the sidelines.

Farage is not a member of the governing party but an opposition party. The current Tory government will negotiate the BREXIT not the UKIP.

He might have been a member of the governing party if he thought he could parlay his support of Brexit into a Parliamentary coalition, and might have influenced the negotiating position as an influential Brexiter at the head of the main Brexit party.

Apparently he doesn't think either is likely.

 

[Jayjay]

I think Farage's resignation was premature. UK hasn't triggered Article 50 yet, and possibly never will. Even the top contenders for premiership are saying they won't do it until 2017.

 

[whichphilosophy]

I think Farage's resignation was premature. UK hasn't triggered Article 50 yet, and possibly never will. Even the top contenders for premiership are saying they won't do it until 2017.

It is premature because BREXIT as this is only the first victory.

Steven Wolfe his immigration spokesman has always presented a good case on TV in debates. Then of course Susan Evans a second choice, and current deputy leader (but suspended) may be a good choice.

There will be a lot of squirming around by the Euro grovel camp to delay or even abandon this. The first sign is not doing anything until 2017 when there are a lot of preliminary discussions that can take place. Then perhaps they will stall for another year or two then hope the public will vote to stay, but it could result in more votes to leave.

 

[faded_Glory]

The UK Government has already pledged £250 Billion to shore up the economy post-Brexit. Do you know how much money that is? It equals around 1000 weeks of UK contributions to the EU. That's right, it costs as much as 20 years of EU contributions to limit the economical fall-out of Brexit. Now tell me again that Brexit was a sensible choice.

 

[Speakpigeon]

It's not that he didn't want but he's got an image problem with the Tory grandies and Michael Gove apparently choose to take advantage of that but he himself has not chance to win. So that leaves essentially May and Fox. I say May. And she has already said leave means leave. God help Britain.

Apparently Gove couldn't get any firm assurance from Boris* that he would give him a job in his government so he ditched** Boris, who was already making a fool of himself.

Things are moving really fast sometimes and don't seem to get any better. I had hoped I could retire in peaceful times. I think the main problem is optimisation makes control more difficult, uncertain and ultimately risky. That would require smarter leaders. They are probably smarter but perhaps not quite enough.
EB


(*) Gove probably doesn't seem smart enough to Boris. Too Little Englander.
(**) Commentators talk rather of backstabbing...

I'm pretty sure petitions by Scotland and N. Ireland to break from GB will change any conservative leader's mind about leaving the EU.

Typical Yankee. You have scant idea who these little Englanders are. Big business conservatives, sure, they look at the bottom line but Little Englanders will only look at the coast line. The fact is, I have no idea how big business conservatives are going to patch up with the European economic zone. Cameron gave up. That will be the job of Saint Theresa. Boris could have tried but few of his tory friends trusted he could do the job.

They sure are in a mess. But, aren't we all.

I never thought I would see the demise of the USSR but I did. And now look! One of the oldest institutions in the world is trying to square a circle even if it means fuck all.

Who needs IS terrorists when we have populists politicians!
EB

 

[Speakpigeon]

I'm pretty sure petitions by Scotland and N. Ireland to break from GB will change any conservative leader's mind about leaving the EU.

I was not aware that Northern Ireland wants to break from the UK. Some do but there is now joint leadership between Sinn Fein and the main 'protestant parties.

As for Scotland, independence is a good idea.

I don't think Northern Ireland would really want independence but there's now this new border with the EU somewhere in the middle of the green pastures of Ireland and it will be as forever intractable as the Unionist/Republican conflict is. It could even rekindle the flamme.
EB

 

[Speakpigeon]

72% was a record turnout, so if there is a referendum and less people vote, whoever loses will cry foul.

FEWER

Speak American if you want to. Fewer was before Brexit. Now, at least in Little England, it will be LESS. You may have to re-learn your English too.
EB

 

[Speakpigeon]

The new PM (probably May) will set out a plan for Brexit that has no hope of being popular, and will call a referendum on the plan, which will fail. And that will be the end of Brexit. Because the people will have spoken (and contradicted each other).

You probably didn't read it here first - it's so obvious that it's almost painful to see the effort that is going into not setting this strategy out explicitly.

Yes. The Iron Lady II, the movie. It's going to hurt. Let's see who's for turning.
EB

 

[whichphilosophy]

I was not aware that Northern Ireland wants to break from the UK. Some do but there is now joint leadership between Sinn Fein and the main 'protestant parties.

As for Scotland, independence is a good idea.

I don't think Northern Ireland would really want independence but there's now this new border with the EU somewhere in the middle of the green pastures of Ireland and it will be as forever intractable as the Unionist/Republican conflict is. It could even rekindle the flamme.
EB

The majority want the Union with the UK based on an old religious divide between North and South. The two former enemies now form the largest two parties, but maybe as you said something could change that. At the moment however I don't think it's likely.

 

[whichphilosophy]

The UK Government has already pledged £250 Billion to shore up the economy post-Brexit. Do you know how much money that is? It equals around 1000 weeks of UK contributions to the EU. That's right, it costs as much as 20 years of EU contributions to limit the economical fall-out of Brexit. Now tell me again that Brexit was a sensible choice.

The Government is Pro Europhilia so this is just some political dick wagging. I doubt Cameron could have saved that amount on his knees gratifying Herr Junkler. The departure will take some time and it is doubtful if the current ruling buffoonery could even get its act together to start the process before sometime next year.

 

[Speakpigeon]

Saint Theresa won just over 50% of the 329 votes cast by MPs so I guess she can only increase her share now as lesser (not FEWER) candidates drop out of the race. And she is a "bloody difficult woman" according to Ken Clarke. And if Mr Gove was Prime Minister "we’d go to war with at least three countries at once". But Gove never had a chance. The Pounds was 14% down this morning in Asia. I'm impressed at how calm and smiling they all appear right now. I would long have died of a heart attack. I still haven't the faintest idea how it's all going to unravel. Maybe a Trump scenario in the U.S. might sort of save Britain. But don't ask me why it could do that. Desperate time, desperate measures. A difficult woman as British PM, the great Feminist Trump will have to love her, somehow.
EB

 

[faded_Glory]

My take on it is that the Tory party bankrollers will tell Ms May to Brexit and speedily negotiate an EEA 'Norway' deal for Britain, to limit the economic damage from this stupid disaster as much as possible. There will be some small, largely cosmetic changes to freedom of movement that she will negotiate with Merkel and Tusk, to appease the rabid right wing fanatics. Britain will be out of the EU but still will have to abide by the vast majority of EU regulations and pay a contribution, but at least the referendum result has been honoured so UKIP and the Eurosceptics should finally crawl back into their holes. In the 2020 elections the Tories will easily win, with perhaps some seats lost to UKIP but others won from Labour, who are all over the map and won't win a GE any time soon.