President Carter has died

[BH]

Jimmy Carter was president of the United States from 1977 to 1981. He was also governor of Georgia from 1971 to 1975.

 

[ideologyhunter]

I voted for him! I've been to Plains twice -- didn't catch a glimpse of him. Good man.
My second thought, after hearing the news, was how Trump must be relieved that this saves him from an embarrassing obligation. I'm assuming he won't be at the funeral and furthermore that the Carter family won't want him there. If this happened after T's inaug, it would look unseemly not to attend, and the family would look churlish to make a request that he skip.
I suppose that there's a chance that Trump will crave that opportunity to sit with the other 4 living Presidents and get his photo op. But I think the toddler side of him will assert itself and that he just. won't. go. and we can't make him.
If I'm wrong I'll buy a Trump Bible and sing that awful Lee Greenwood song in front of a McDonalds.

 

[Elixir]

there's a chance that Trump will crave that opportunity to sit with the other 4 living Presidents

Why would an Emperor want to sit among mere Presidents? Bunch of term-limited Losers!

 

[TSwizzle]

ffs, must every thing be about Trump? You can’t just express something about Jimmy Carter passing without going off about Trump.

TDS is real I guess.

 

[BH]

Ford was president when I was born and was president a couple of years after. I was old enough to know there was such thing as a president and recognize Ford as the president on tv. But Carter was the first one I was old enough to recognize and some what follow and express interest in what he was saying even of mom and dad had to translate it into toddlerese for me.

My father was a schoolteacher and the seventh-grade students took a trip to Washington D.C. in the summer of `1979. My dad promised me when he saw President Carter he would tell him I said hi. When he came back dad gave me this wind up walking peanut and said President Carter said hi back and told him to give me this. Of course, it was just a story like Santa bringing gifts, but it was fun for mom and dad and I laughed about it for years.

I wish he had beat Reagan in 1980. That election was a big turning point for this country looking back and allowed a lot of bad stuff to happen in the future. In one regard Carter was very brave. He admitted that there were some problems that had no solution and meekly hinted maybe Americans should be willing to go without and not expect so much.

Also, President Carter was predeceased by his wife Rosalyn and a grandson many years ago.

 

[TomC]

My first vote for president was in 1980.

I voted for Reagan because I thought that Jimmy "The Christian" Carter was too much of a wienie to run the USA.

I've had decades to realize how wrong I was about that. I now realize that Carter's integrity and high morals are exactly what we need in a POTUS. Carter was the best president in US history.

RIP Jimmy Carter
Tom

 

[pood]

Carter was far from the best president in U.S. history. Surveys of academic historians, take those as you will, generally rank him in the bottom half of all presidents.

 

[robnisch]

Carter was far from the best president in U.S. history. Surveys of academic historians, take those as you will, generally rank him in the bottom half of all presidents.

However, he was the best human that ever held that office.

 

[pood]

Carter was far from the best president in U.S. history. Surveys of academic historians, take those as you will, generally rank him in the bottom half of all presidents.

However, he was the best human that ever held that office.

I rather doubt that. Certainly he was a lot better person than some, but that is not saying a great deal. There have been quite a number of shitty people as president, the shittiest of all shortly returning to office.

Carter looks better retrospectively because of some of the horrid presidents who came after him, notably Ronnie Raygun, Dubya, and of course worst of all, Marmalade Mussolini. Politically, however, he was rather incompetent. He disdained wheeling and dealing with congress, which all successful presidents must do, and as a result his legislative accomplishments were rather meager. Publicly and even privately, as a number of people have attested, he came off as rather prissy and sanctimonious. He alienated progressives which gave rise to Ted Kenndy’s challenge against him. He was the first in the faction that later became known as the New Democrats, who ditched the party’s New Deal roots. He was not a particular effective communicator or speaker. He had no solution for the stagflation that cost Ford his presidency and arguably Nixon’s, too.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

ffs, must every thing be about Trump? You can’t just express something about Jimmy Carter passing without going off about Trump.

TDS is real I guess.

You poor thing. *hugs*

I've reported this post so RayJ can create a Trump trigger warning on the thread page to help prevent people from being triggered by the mention of Trump.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Carter was far from the best president in U.S. history. Surveys of academic historians, take those as you will, generally rank him in the bottom half of all presidents.

He is an odd bird. A guy never meant to a politician, becoming one of this biggest. He is the type of person most say they want to POTUS. Say. They vote differently and Carter was the last honest President.

 

[pood]

Here is an assessment of Carter I think is largely accurate. The writer notes that many people project his commendable post-presidency onto his presidency, but you can’t do that. One has nothing to do with the other. Carter and Herbert Hoover may have had the most distinguished post-presidential careers, but neither man made the cut as president.

 

[southernhybrid]

The second time I voted for president, it was for Carter. He has always been my favorite president, not because he did everything perfectly, but because he was such a good, caring person. I think he knew that the climate was changing and we were wasting a lot of energy, so he put solar panels on the roof of the WH, which of course, Reagan took down. I remember him wearing a sweater in the winter and encouraging us to turn down the thermostat, so we could conserve energy. No president is perfect, but when I heard he died, I felt a bit teary eyed, despite that he was 100, and had a long, productive life. Maybe I just miss those times when we had a decent president.

I think he will be remembered more for what he did after leaving the presidency than what he did while president. There are a few Habitat for Humanity homes in my town, and when I pass them I think of Carter. He was a humble man, compared to other presidents. He spent most of his life serving others.

 

[TSwizzle]

ffs, must every thing be about Trump? You can’t just express something about Jimmy Carter passing without going off about Trump.

TDS is real I guess.

You poor thing. *hugs*

I've reported this post so RayJ can create a Trump trigger warning on the thread page to help prevent people from being triggered by the mention of Trump.

It’s amazing how you can make the least interesting forum on the internet that little bit less interesting. Good job Jimmy

 

[pood]

ffs, must every thing be about Trump? You can’t just express something about Jimmy Carter passing without going off about Trump.

TDS is real I guess.

You poor thing. *hugs*

I've reported this post so RayJ can create a Trump trigger warning on the thread page to help prevent people from being triggered by the mention of Trump.

It’s amazing how you can make the least interesting forum on the internet that little bit less interesting. Good job Jimmy

And yet here you are, on the least interesting forum on the internet, posting your, shall we say … “thoughts.”

 

[BH]

About the link by pood.

i have read that Carter wanted to pass a universal healthcare plan but Kennedy sabotaged it for no reason other than to make Carter fail and position himself better. Ted Kennedy, Mr Chappaquidick, who cares about him.

As for the Iran hostage crisis the Iranians would have killed the hostages if we attacked and the Soviet Union would have practically gave weapons to Iran to try to keep us out of being next door to them . It could have veen another Vietnam or an Afghanistan before Afghanistan for us, but before we had all these wonder weapons ten or eleven years later when we fought Iraq the first time

As for stagflation, i have read that there were no solutions that problem rhat would have worked other than what Carter did. My father had a business and economics degree and said he knew the plan would work. it would hurt but it would work . Johnson, Nixon, and Ford didnt do anything Carter did appoint Volker to the Fed and got it down .

As for legislation Carter had a high track record getting laws passed second only to LBJ since World War Two

 

[TomC]

Carter was far from the best president in U.S. history. Surveys of academic historians, take those as you will, generally rank him in the bottom half of all presidents.

Trump is the best president we've ever had, depending on the experts you think authoritative.
Tom

 

[White Lightning]

I was in disbelief when I first read the news. Jimmy Carter, rest in peace.

 

[pood]

About the link by pood.

i have read that Carter wanted to pass a universal healthcare plan but Kennedy sabotaged it for no reason other than to make Carter fail and position himself better. Ted Kennedy, Mr Chappaquidick, who cares about him.

As for the Iran hostage crisis the Iranians would have killed the hostages if we attacked and the Soviet Union would have practically gave weapons to Iran to try to keep us out of being next door to them . It could have veen another Vietnam or an Afghanistan before Afghanistan for us, but before we had all these wonder weapons ten or eleven years later when we fought Iraq the first time

As for stagflation, i have read that there were no solutions that problem rhat would have worked. Johnson, Nixon, and Ford didnt do anything Carter did appoint Volker to the Fed and got it down .

As for legislation Carter had a high track record getting laws passed second only to LBJ since World War Two

What legislative track record is that?

Stagflation came about because of Johnson’s decision to fund the Vietnam War and his Great Society social programs without raising taxes to pay for them. Nixon then tried to deal with inflation by imposing wage/price controls, which he did in 1972 to ensure his reelection. Predictably, whe he removed the controls after being safely re-elected, prices skyrocketed, and it is my personal belief that were it not for high inflation, he might have survived Watergate.

Jerry Ford’s solution to inflation was to pass out WIN buttons, which stood for Whip Inflation Now. But as Johnson once noted, Ford was so dumb he couldn’t chew gum and fart at the same time.

Carter’s solution was to appoint Volcker, whose policies eventually drove the nation into a deep recession that occurred during Reagan’s first term in office. Fortunately for Regan, the economy began to recover in time for him to win re-election.

As the article notes, Carter’s hidebound support for the Shah of Iran as “an island of stability” in the Middle East backfired on him and us. Commendably Carter did put human rights to the forefront of his foreign policy, but I guess human rights didn’t apply to our “island of stability.”

 

[pood]

Carter was far from the best president in U.S. history. Surveys of academic historians, take those as you will, generally rank him in the bottom half of all presidents.

Trump is the best president we've ever had, depending on the experts you think authoritative.
Tom

Uh, no. First, I don’t think academic historians are “authoritative” — hence my proviso about “take those as you will.” But if we are talking about academic historians, Trump is consistently ranked in the bottom three of presidents all-time, the only ones below him being Lincoln’s bookends, James Buchanan and Andrew Johnson.