Protesters Shut Down a Major Freeway In Minneapolis. Stage Die-In.

[Derec]

They want to inconvenience you. They want you to care about them. Even being hated is better than being ignored.

Holy thread resurrection, Batman, but, how did this strategy work out for them on November 8th?

 

[KeepTalking]

They want to inconvenience you. They want you to care about them. Even being hated is better than being ignored.

Holy thread resurrection, Batman, but, how did this strategy work out for them on November 8th?

Why? Was one of them running for President, or something?

 

[Derec]

Why? Was one of them running for President, or something?

Not that I know of, but now the person they despise won the presidency. So, a great tactic. "How to lose friends and alienate people" should be a book about the #BLM movement.

 

[KeepTalking]

Why? Was one of them running for President, or something?

Not that I know of, but now the person they despise won the presidency. So, a great tactic. "How to lose friends and alienate people" should be a book about the #BLM movement.

Then you misunderstand the point of #BLM. It is not an movement centered around the presidential election. As the SNL skit from last Saturday with Dave Chappelle, and Chris Rock pointed out, black people knew how this election was going to go anyway. They know very well that racism is not over just because Obama spent two terms in the White House.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Not that I know of, but now the person they despise won the presidency. So, a great tactic. "How to lose friends and alienate people" should be a book about the #BLM movement.

Then you misunderstand the point of #BLM. It is not an movement centered around the presidential election. As the SNL skit from last Saturday with Dave Chappelle, and Chris Rock pointed out, black people knew how this election was going to go anyway. They know very well that racism is not over just because Obama spent two terms in the White House.

Ya, but that wasn't any kind of insightful understanding on the part of black people, though. They're a major part of the Democratic base and they decided to stay home and not vote and then Trump won a close election.

Giving them props for knowing this is like giving a serial killer props for being able to accurately predict that a hitchhiker is going to get killed and eaten tonight. If you make something happen, there's no wow factor in your being able to call that it was going to happen.

 

[bilby]

They want to inconvenience you. They want you to care about them. Even being hated is better than being ignored.

Holy thread resurrection, Batman, but, how did this strategy work out for them on November 8th?

Pretty well, as they don't appear to have been ignored.

Which is the one thing they seek to avoid at any cost.

When you don't understand someone's goals, it's no surprise that their actions are a mystery to you.

Their choices are not between winning and losing; there choices are between being ignored and being noticed. Only if they can consistently achieve notice, can they start to consider the choice between winning and losing.

You win some, and you lose some. But nobody ever simply ignores you; nobody denies you the right to even play the game. THAT is the privilege that you don't even realise you have.

 

[laughing dog]

You win some, and you lose some. But nobody ever simply ignores you; nobody denies you the right to even play the game. THAT is the privilege that you don't even realise you have.

A lesson Trump put to good use.

 

[JonA]

You win some, and you lose some. But nobody ever simply ignores you; nobody denies you the right to even play the game. THAT is the privilege that you don't even realise you have.

What is that even supposed to mean?

 

[bilby]

You win some, and you lose some. But nobody ever simply ignores you; nobody denies you the right to even play the game. THAT is the privilege that you don't even realise you have.

What is that even supposed to mean?

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVJpe1qbfb0[/YOUTUBE]

 

[Canard DuJour]

Holy thread resurrection, Batman, but, how did this strategy work out for them on November 8th?

Pretty well, as they don't appear to have been ignored.

Which is the one thing they seek to avoid at any cost.

When you don't understand someone's goals, it's no surprise that their actions are a mystery to you.

Their choices are not between winning and losing; there choices are between being ignored and being noticed. Only if they can consistently achieve notice, can they start to consider the choice between winning and losing.

You win some, and you lose some. But nobody ever simply ignores you; nobody denies you the right to even play the game. THAT is the privilege that you don't even realise you have.

Some pundit the other day said Trump, like Brexit, has been used as a battering ram by the people left behind to force the establishment's attention.

I like that analogy, only they didn't take it literally enough with Trump.

 

[LordKiran]

Pretty well, as they don't appear to have been ignored.

Which is the one thing they seek to avoid at any cost.

When you don't understand someone's goals, it's no surprise that their actions are a mystery to you.

Their choices are not between winning and losing; there choices are between being ignored and being noticed. Only if they can consistently achieve notice, can they start to consider the choice between winning and losing.

You win some, and you lose some. But nobody ever simply ignores you; nobody denies you the right to even play the game. THAT is the privilege that you don't even realise you have.

Some pundit the other day said Trump, like Brexit, has been used as a battering ram by the people left behind to force the establishment's attention.

I like that analogy, only they didn't take it literally enough with Trump.

I think that's an overly heady assumption people make as it implies people voted for trump with full knowledge in what he is and is about.

Some people voted for Trump to burn down the establishment (Which is a strange notion to be honest)

Some people also voted for Trump because they were white supremacists.

The majority voted for trump because he promised jobs and who else could they have voted for? Clinton?

 

[Crazy Eddie]

Then you misunderstand the point of #BLM. It is not an movement centered around the presidential election. As the SNL skit from last Saturday with Dave Chappelle, and Chris Rock pointed out, black people knew how this election was going to go anyway. They know very well that racism is not over just because Obama spent two terms in the White House.

Ya, but that wasn't any kind of insightful understanding on the part of black people, though. They're a major part of the Democratic base and they decided to stay home and not vote and then Trump won a close election.

Please be more accurate with the use of the term "they." The black people who knew or strongly suspected Trump was going to exactly those reasons are the same people who actually voted in the election. The black people who didn't know or care enough to say anything meaningful about the election are the ones who stayed home and didn't case a vote.

There were a few -- not a majority, but a few -- who stayed home in protest, because they found Hilary's neoliberalism to be at least as disgusting as Trump's open racism and felt that choosing the lesser of two evils was still ultimately choosing evil. For the most part, though, everyone who actually CARED turned out to the polls.

 

[Jarhyn]

Ya, but that wasn't any kind of insightful understanding on the part of black people, though. They're a major part of the Democratic base and they decided to stay home and not vote and then Trump won a close election.

Please be more accurate with the use of the term "they." The black people who knew or strongly suspected Trump was going to exactly those reasons are the same people who actually voted in the election. The black people who didn't know or care enough to say anything meaningful about the election are the ones who stayed home and didn't case a vote.

There were a few -- not a majority, but a few -- who stayed home in protest, because they found Hilary's neoliberalism to be at least as disgusting as Trump's open racism and felt that choosing the lesser of two evils was still ultimately choosing evil. For the most part, though, everyone who actually CARED turned out to the polls.

You give many of them too much credit. The day before the election in minnesota, I heard no less than three African Americans on my daily commute through North Minneapolis state plainly that they weren't voting or at least weren't voting for Hillary because "ain't no way a woman gonna be strong enough as a president". And those were just the ones vocal enough to actually say it.

I think Hillary underestimated the sexism of uneducated black male culture.

And this is in Minneapolis, a strongly blue area.

 

[Underseer]

No surer way to win hearts and minds than to mess up rush hour traffic.

Of course.

When Martin Luther King led protests against Jim Crow, he was very careful to only use forms of protests that would be approved by racists.

When the founding fathers of America began their protests against the crown, they were very careful to only express their displeasure in ways that would be approved by the British.

When Gandhi protested the British occupation of India, he was careful to only protest in ways that the British would approve of.

Because that's how you cause change: you limit your actions to those that would be approved by the very people who benefit from your continued oppression.