Radical Islamic Terrorism's days are numbered

[LordKiran]

I've seen too many cases where they lied to support a leftist position.

No, this doesn't work--the terrorists pretend to be decent until they go boom.

I'm sorry, but this is a myth. Terrorists don't become terrorists overnight. They experience brainwashing and alienation beforehand. For example, if you read the FBI site on the radicalization process, you'll realize there are stages that include grievance, ideology/narrative/mobilization and of course the Internet in our time is playing a very dastardly role in this radicalization process. Decent people are not attracted to violent messages. However, malcontents of any social or societal group are.

Peace.

Off target--I fully realize they don't become terrorists overnight, but are brainwashed into it. That's not a rebuttal, though--I'm talking about outward appearances. If the guy is already radicalized there's nothing to see. It's only while he's being radicalized that things might be spotted but even then most people aren't psychologists to spot what's going on. The average person can't spot brainwashing even when it's happening to them.

Do you have any reason to believe that is the case with the article linked by Nightsky? You do realize that not all news stories are written and edited by the same two people, right?

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Why are we talking about "firing every black in the office" as didn't you point out there were two incompetent persons who incidentally were black? Their race doesn't come into play when it's a matter of incompetence. And I'm not sure what manner of trouble we're speaking here. Unless the corporation or workplace has a history of racism and no record-keeping for judging incompetence/competence levels of employees, I'd say there is no reason to fear any trouble.

Very naive.

At the point this happened we had already had repeated run-ins with the EPA because we "refused" to get our VOC emissions down to those of a nearby competitor who emitted only a few percent of what we did. The boss repeatedly told the investigators the numbers were impossible, those reports were faked. It was a decade later before the competitor got busted for faking their EPA reports.

We also had a run-in with the labor department over a supposed overtime violation. We had hired a bad installer. The installers were paid purely piecework--here are the jobs to be done today, take what you want, just do what you take. There was nothing resembling time tracking. The papers had a drawing of the layout, a description of the materials, an address and how much it paid. Do the work, have the supervisor look it over and sign the paper, turn it in to get paid. We even had two "installers" that were actually teams of two, simply tell payroll how you want the check split. The guy was quickly fired and he promptly went to the labor department saying that our system was forced (because of the do what you take rule) overtime paid at a regular rate. The labor department ruled in his favor.

The EEOC would most likely be all over the firing of every black in the place and there probably would have been some heavy punishment. The fact that he was incompetent would be all but ignored.

Sorry, but I wouldn't trust Berkeley on social issues, period.

I am sorry to hear that's the case. However, I do trust Berkeley and I can see no reason why someone else shouldn't.

Peace.

There have been too many cases where they were in loony territory on social issues.

Again, any reason to believe that is the case here? Or is this just an intricate ad homenim attack on her sources rather than having to take the time and energy of confronting the actual meat of the articles Nightsky linked you to?

Because really Loren, "I don't trust them they're baised liars." is something you can lazily use to ignore any source you don't like without having to actually confront the issue at hand. What it shows isn't that you're still on an even footing. It shows that you're on your last leg and don't know how to proceed, but aren't quite ready to concede yet.

 

[funinspace]

Yes, I can see how data and reports and news articles are a waste of time for people. But since this type of opinion that you assume is not only foreign but in the realm of twilight zone for me, I'm afraid you'll have to count me out on following down the same path.

You're a religious nut, you wouldn't know the truth if it pissed in your cornflakes.

"Islamophobia", a meaningless construct if ever there was one. I'm surprised to see it used these days.

And I cannot take you seriously on this assertion because you assume that I'm a "religious nut" based on no evidence. Having been a former atheist, I think I can spot a religious nut fairly well, and I know enough about myself to know that I can never be so characterized by anyone who knows me in either real life or even on the Internet. Have you bothered to even read your posts?

What is wrong with nuts? But the variety does matter As a former Christian, and now atheist, I just wanted to say I found your posts interesting and refreshing. The forum tends to get even fewer thoughtful Muslims than thoughtful Christians. I see you have met at least 2 of our resident Islamic flamethrowers...

Didn't really feel like joining the but I'd thought I'd at least mention that the US Christian evangelical groups hardly need any financial encouragement as they have embraced Islamophobia like a snug winter coat for quite a while now.

 

[bilby]

Converts are disproportionately represented amongst the ones that engage in terrorist attacks.

Blame that discrimination on the radicals. One of their objectives is to drive a wedge between Muslims and everyone else. To some extent they are succeeding.

So, regular Joe and Suzy can get a free pass on bigotry? No, thank you. I blame the people responsible for their bigotry. The radicals are responsible for their own bigotry. And regular Joe and Suzy are responsible for their own bigotry. No one gets a free pass, as that is neither responsible nor a well-thought-out position.

The problem is one of human nature. Muslims sometimes explode in murderous violence. It's rare but the only pattern we can identify is that they are Muslim. It causes a legitimate fear.

If you were living in the time wherein KKK was popular in 20th century and hatred of blacks popular, would you want to be part of the group that opposed that bigotry or part of the group that inflamed that bigotry? Just because something is becoming popular does not mean it is right. And people should stand with what is right. Identity politics mean frankly nothing when it comes to truth, rightness, and justice. As an atheist, I stood for what I believe is right. And I continue doing so now as a Muslim. If you don't want or are unable to do that, then you or others shouldn't try to shift the blame and instead own up to the responsibility you have for you, your ideas, and your prejudices.

The KKK is active, lynching uppity blacks. You're black and not content to be in servitude. Aren't you going to look with a bit of fear upon every white man?

It's not hatred. It's fear.

Fear of the unknown? If someone fears something, the best thing to do is not wallow in the fear but to become informed and I don't mean with the sites that peddle Islamophobia so that such hatred can later be regurgitated by readers of said such sites under the cloak of anonymity on Internet boards like this one. What I'm referring to is more a common sense approach based in decency and sincere desire to learn: Go to your local Islamic Centers, interact with Muslims, learn from Muslims on what they're about, what they really think. You might be surprised to know that they are just as human as you and bleed just as red as anyone. Fear and hatred are all part of the same coin and one will sooner or later follow the other, and both are unjustifiable and in the ends up warping and harming the person carrying that burden far more than anyone else. It's like carrying a burning coal in your hand and expecting someone else to be instead burning while ignoring the fact that your hands are the ones in the meantime burnt. People should learn to deal with people on an individual basis and understand that the worst elements in any community cannot and do not represent the best elements in any community. I don't think it's that long gone that people should forget that blacks were ones the recipient of the same fear and hatred and so were the Jews and so have been other minorities in any heyday of different ages in different cultures and nations, but good people have never been the perpetrators of the fear and hatred. Everyone has a choice: Every person chooses what he/she wants for himself. And in the end if he/she doesn't like the results of what he/she sees, that person has no one but himself/herself to blame for his/her own choices. Ignorance and fear and hatred has never been rewarding and will never be.

Peace.

Most Muslims are fine. It's just we can't tell the decent ones from the terrorists.

Most Nevadans are fine. It's just we can't tell the decent ones from the rapists.

You'll be fine with being prohibited from interstate travel just in case you are a rapist, I presume. After all, we just can't tell. And rape is horrific. And Nevadans have committed rape in the past, and we can certainly expect them to do so again. Well, some of them. And we can't tell in advance which it might be.

 

[Elixir]

Most Nevadans are fine.

Evidence, please.

You'll be fine with being prohibited from interstate travel just in case you are a rapist, I presume. After all, we just can't tell. And rape is horrific. And Nevadans have committed rape in the past, and we can certainly expect them to do so again. Well, some of them. And we can't tell in advance which it might be.

We'll have Extreme Vetting and waterboarding stations at all the State borders. Problem solved.