bilby
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Just as in Genesis :" Let there be light" and there was . Whats wrong with God having the same ability/method : "Let there be a baby born from Mary"?
No sex neccessary as with physicalness and human beings, therefore no fornication means no sex before marriage ever took place.
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The problem with that is that we know where babies come from, and it's a physical process. So there had to be some physicalness involved.
Your God seems to have very limited abilities for an omnipotent entity; He is forever using raw materials he shouldn't have any need for, and which seem badly unsuited to the task at hand, like making Adam from the dust of the Earth, when he could have just made an Adam; Or making Eve from one of Adam's ribs (what, had He run out of dust?) when he could have just made an Eve. Or does speaking stuff into existence only work for universes? Or for light?
That story leads to another widely believed obvious falsehood - the idea that men have one more rib than women (they don't - and it's very easy to check - both sexes of human typically have 24 ribs in 12 pairs).
Parthenogenesis is not observed in humans, and could not result in a male offspring; God must at the very least have physically placed a Y-Chromosome into the oocyte.
I'm still seeing that as adultery. It's not rape if there was consent, which seems at the very least not to have been disproven beyond a reasonable doubt. But adultery is unquestionable if a married woman bears a child whose father is not her husband.
And if God can just speak stuff into being, why bother with Mary at all? Why not just create an adult Jesus ex-nihilo? I mean, that would have been a miracle worthy of the name. Some chick getting pregnant and not wanting to admit adultery is hardly a novelty, much less a miracle. If Jesus had just descended from the sky in the midst of a big crowd, as a fully grown adult, now that would have been impressive. It might even have gotten recorded in real history outside church documents - the Romans certainly would have written about it. Yet they seem to have completely missed the coming of the Messiah in one of their critical provinces. Sadly, Jesus's publicist forgot to invite anybody with a pen, other than Mark, to witness the similarly impressive spectacle of his ascension. Even the other disciples Mark says were present don't appear to have bothered to make any notes for posterity.
The more you study it, the more the whole thing looks like a rather shabby fiction, that doesn't only fail to convince as an account of events, but can't even keep a consistent narrative flow. If the plot includes an omnipotent being, having him need raw materials is just silly. If he can make stuff just appear, why bother with the nine months of messiness that is pregnancy, and the decade or two of dependence that is infancy?