Rape girls and murder their male protectors: today in unhinged masculism

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Yes, the greatest threat to men is other men. Just look at statistics of man on man violence, brainwashing, and lying other men into wars to use as fodder and create power.

This has nothing to do with gender, so no, it isn't likely to be a MRA issue.

Of course it has to do with gender. Men by extremely wide margins are the targets.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Denge and malaria primarily effect black and brown people... So should that therefore be what black lives matter focuses on? Um probably not.. because BLM is an anti-racism group. MRAs are anti-sexist groups, so they are more likely to be focused on gender inequity, as are non-toxic feminists.

 

[ruby sparks]

 

[ruby sparks]

Yes, the greatest threat to men is other men. Just look at statistics of man on man violence, brainwashing, and lying other men into wars to use as fodder and create power.

This has nothing to do with gender, so no, it isn't likely to be a MRA issue.

Of course it has to do with gender. Men by extremely wide margins are the targets.

And/or, given that it's about masculinity, or if you like behaviours more commonly associated with men, gender is a relevant aspect.

We can ignore the red herrings about any particular instance or behaviour only being about gender or necessarily about gender, because no one said it was.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Of course it has to do with gender. Men by extremely wide margins are the targets.

And/or, given that it's about masculinity, or if you like behaviours more commonly associated with men, gender is a relevant aspect.

We can ignore the red herrings about any particular instance or behaviour only being about gender or necessarily about gender, because no one said it was.

Here's the intetesting thing. MRA's actually have on rare occassion complained about an alleged discriminatory incidence of males in the military--to include compulsory service. Yet, JP is on such a defensive kick right now he won't admit anything. While I think it's because patriarchy is at fault for brainwashing male minions into war to consolidate power for an elite class, JP won't even admit extremely basic things because of defensiveness. So, having a fruitful discussion about more complex things like the greater incidence of men forcing men into the military is impossible.

 

[Toni]

Looks like there's more to this story. Could be a case of toxic femininity. It will be interesting to see how this pans out.

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Man-Shot-to-Death-Trying-to-Help-Niece-Who-Was-Being-Sexually-Assaulted-in-Burnside-564651101.html

Editor's note: Police said Friday inconsitencies were found in the original story told to investigators, and the suspect had been invited into the home by the teenage victim.

There are always inconsistencies in the statements of crime victims. In this case, the girl’s uncle was murdered in front of her and she had apparently been sexually assaulted. It would be amazing if there were no inconsistencies.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Of course it has to do with gender. Men by extremely wide margins are the targets.

And/or, given that it's about masculinity, or if you like behaviours more commonly associated with men, gender is a relevant aspect.

We can ignore the red herrings about any particular instance or behaviour only being about gender or necessarily about gender, because no one said it was.

Here's the intetesting thing. MRA's actually have on rare occassion complained about an alleged discriminatory incidence of males in the military--to include compulsory service.

Because females aren't. It's discriminatory against males. MRA is about fighting gender discrimination. You can't seriously be this dense.

 

[Toni]

Here's the intetesting thing. MRA's actually have on rare occassion complained about an alleged discriminatory incidence of males in the military--to include compulsory service.

Because females aren't. It's discriminatory against males. MRA is about fighting gender discrimination. You can't seriously be this dense.

apparently you are that dense or that ill-informed. At least in the US, women have always volunteered for the military in numbers greater than there were positions open for women. In fact, women have disguised themselves as men to serve as soldiers for hundreds of years or longer. Now it is true that during war time, some men have disguised themselves as women but that has been to avoid military service. Women have also served as spies and in various espionage roles that out their lives in danger. Women have served in medical positions without having the privilege of being armed. Women in the military also die in combat.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Here's the intetesting thing. MRA's actually have on rare occassion complained about an alleged discriminatory incidence of males in the military--to include compulsory service.

Because females aren't. It's discriminatory against males. MRA is about fighting gender discrimination. You can't seriously be this dense.

apparently you are that dense or that ill-informed. At least in the US, women have always volunteered for the military in numbers greater than there were positions open for women. In fact, women have disguised themselves as men to serve as soldiers for hundreds of years or longer. Now it is true that during war time, some men have disguised themselves as women but that has been to avoid military service. Women have also served as spies and in various espionage roles that out their lives in danger. Women have served in medical positions without having the privilege of being armed. Women in the military also die in combat.

And they never did this...

discriminatory incidence of males in the military--to include compulsory service.

They were never included in a draft, or in bucket duty. That's what makes it an MRA issue. If both men and women have the freedom to not be drafted into military service, then it ceases being an MRA or feminist issue. That doesn't mean military service and action ceases being an area of concern for people, including MRAs. It ceases being a gender discriminatory one so it ceases being what they will talk about at most MRA advocacy places.

 

[thebeave]

Looks like there's more to this story. Could be a case of toxic femininity. It will be interesting to see how this pans out.

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Man-Shot-to-Death-Trying-to-Help-Niece-Who-Was-Being-Sexually-Assaulted-in-Burnside-564651101.html

Editor's note: Police said Friday inconsitencies were found in the original story told to investigators, and the suspect had been invited into the home by the teenage victim.

There are always inconsistencies in the statements of crime victims. In this case, the girl’s uncle was murdered in front of her and she had apparently been sexually assaulted. It would be amazing if there were no inconsistencies.

Yes, there will always be inconsistencies in high stress, violent events. However, getting mixed up as to whether he broke in through the window or she invited into the house is kind of a biggie, don't you think? My spidey sense tells me this incident is going to end up substantially different than initially portrayed.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

apparently you are that dense or that ill-informed. At least in the US, women have always volunteered for the military in numbers greater than there were positions open for women. In fact, women have disguised themselves as men to serve as soldiers for hundreds of years or longer. Now it is true that during war time, some men have disguised themselves as women but that has been to avoid military service. Women have also served as spies and in various espionage roles that out their lives in danger. Women have served in medical positions without having the privilege of being armed. Women in the military also die in combat.

And they never did this...

discriminatory incidence of males in the military--to include compulsory service.

They were never included in a draft, or in bucket duty. That's what makes it an MRA issue. If both men and women have the freedom to not be drafted into military service, then it ceases being an MRA or feminist issue. That doesn't mean military service and action ceases being an area of concern for people, including MRAs. It ceases being a gender discriminatory one so it ceases being what they will talk about at most MRA advocacy places.

Yet initially you pretended it wasn't an MRA issue at all. I don't wonder why. Patriarchies are brainwashing men into fighting each other to consolidate power, including forcing men to blow themselves up. Even without government force, men's biggest danger is other men. Yet you and others complain about Ghostbusters sequels. Ghostbusters!

 

[Toni]

Denge and malaria primarily effect black and brown people... So should that therefore be what black lives matter focuses on? Um probably not.. because BLM is an anti-racism group. MRAs are anti-sexist groups, so they are more likely to be focused on gender inequity, as are non-toxic feminists.

Dengue fever is caused by one of 4 viruses and malaria is caused by one of several species of Plasmodium parasites and both diseases are transmitted by specific species of mosquitoes. People all over the world can contract these illnesses if they are exposed to the virus or parasite.


Men murdering other men is a different kind of problem than a physical illness caused by virus and parasite species transmitted by specific species of mosquitoes.

If you are actually concerned about how to prevent dengue or malaria or the inequalities that devote resources to illnesses and problems experienced mostly by people in Europe and N. America, then you could start a thread about it. From a biological standpoint and from a political/societal and even environmental perspective, these are topics well worth discussion.

But this is a thread about 'unhinged masculinism.' In other words: bad things that men do to people. It's a really difficult topic, I agree. It's complex and very broad and far reaching and it strikes deep in the heart of what it is that we think it means to be masculine. That's tough stuff to consider. It seems much easier for most of the posters on this board to post about how bad women are to men than it is to talk about how bad men are to other men (and women and children). Why would that be, do you think?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Denge and malaria primarily effect black and brown people... So should that therefore be what black lives matter focuses on? Um probably not.. because BLM is an anti-racism group. MRAs are anti-sexist groups, so they are more likely to be focused on gender inequity, as are non-toxic feminists.

Dengue fever is caused by one of 4 viruses and malaria is caused by one of several species of Plasmodium parasites and both diseases are transmitted by specific species of mosquitoes. People all over the world can contract these illnesses if they are exposed to the virus or parasite.

You have repeatedly taken a disparate impact as proof of discrimination.

Those diseases are racist.

 

[Toni]

Denge and malaria primarily effect black and brown people... So should that therefore be what black lives matter focuses on? Um probably not.. because BLM is an anti-racism group. MRAs are anti-sexist groups, so they are more likely to be focused on gender inequity, as are non-toxic feminists.

Dengue fever is caused by one of 4 viruses and malaria is caused by one of several species of Plasmodium parasites and both diseases are transmitted by specific species of mosquitoes. People all over the world can contract these illnesses if they are exposed to the virus or parasite.

You have repeatedly taken a disparate impact as proof of discrimination.

Those diseases are racist.

Racism is indeed a disease but it isn't one caused by viruses or unicellular parasites. Dengue fever and malaria are infectious to anyone exposed who does not have some level of resistance, usually by prophylaxis treatments. Racism is caused by an overblown sense of entitlement coupled with extreme insecurity and often worsened by ignorance and/or greed.

You have repeatedly conflated your views with reality without any understanding or recognition of data. White people are as susceptible to dengue fever and malaria as brown or black people.

White people are not as susceptible to being attacked by police during traffic stops as are black and brown people. Yes, that is a sickness, but the sickness is society's, not the victims of police brutality.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Yet initially you pretended it wasn't an MRA issue at all.

I did not ever pretend that the draft including men and not women is not an MRA issue. I have to conclude that you are simply trolling at this point, and walk away.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Yet initially you pretended it wasn't an MRA issue at all.

I did not ever pretend that the draft including men and not women is not an MRA issue. I have to conclude that you are simply trolling at this point, and walk away.

Since you now agree and apparently never disagreed, I am willing to accept your concession. Also, it is interesting that your argument lacks a response to the majority of my post:

Patriarchies are brainwashing men into fighting each other to consolidate power, including forcing men to blow themselves up. Even without government force, men's biggest danger is other men. Yet you and others complain about Ghostbusters sequels. Ghostbusters!

This is exactly what I was talking about in the op. So, what has you running away? Is it that I brought up Ghostbusters or that dealing with men being the worst threat to men is just too much to discuss?

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

But this is a thread about 'unhinged masculinism.' In other words: bad things that men do to people.

I disagree that that is what "Masculinism" is. That is far too broad. Nor would I say that masculinism is exclusive to men, just as feminism isn't exclusive to women.

It seems much easier for most of the posters on this board to post about how bad women are to men than it is to talk about how bad men are to other men (and women and children). Why would that be, do you think?

It seems very easy for you to read such things in. Why is that? Why is it that so often when an MRA speaks about an issue that targets him unfairly due to his gender, its read as an attack on women? And in your own case, why is it that when faced with a man criticizing you, you so often spin it as a man attacking a woman rather than a person criticizing another person? And also, an attack on "Feminists" is quite often NOT an attack on women as odd as that may sound to "Feminists".

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

This is exactly what I was talking about in the op. So, what has you running away? Is it that I brought up Ghostbusters or that dealing with men being the worst threat to men is just too much to discuss?

What pushes me away is what I'm perceiving as you trolling. I gave you the benefit of the doubt, but you pretended to be dense in order to play your games. I'm not interested in playing games with you.

I'm also not interested in the identity politics games of "men's problem is men" or "women's problem is women" or "black people's biggest problem is black people" etc etc. This is blatant prejudice. The biggest threat to men is not "men". Plenty of men pose no threat whatsoever to anyone.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

This is exactly what I was talking about in the op. So, what has you running away? Is it that I brought up Ghostbusters or that dealing with men being the worst threat to men is just too much to discuss?

What pushes me away is what I'm perceiving as you trolling. I gave you the benefit of the doubt, but you pretended to be dense in order to play your games. I'm not interested in playing games with you.

I'm also not interested in the identity politics games of "men's problem is men" or "women's problem is women" or "black people's biggest problem is black people" etc etc. This is blatant prejudice. The biggest threat to men is not "men". Plenty of men pose no threat whatsoever to anyone.

No, the biggest threat is men. But instead you've been engaging in identity politics. To wit, complaining about Ghostbusters. Men are being murdered by patriarchy. Murdered and you are running from the discussion, calling me a troll so you can save face on the way out. YOU are the one who complained about Ghostbusters so do not even try it.

 

[ruby sparks]

This is exactly what I was talking about in the op. So, what has you running away? Is it that I brought up Ghostbusters or that dealing with men being the worst threat to men is just too much to discuss?

What pushes me away is what I'm perceiving as you trolling. I gave you the benefit of the doubt, but you pretended to be dense in order to play your games. I'm not interested in playing games with you.

I'm also not interested in the identity politics games of "men's problem is men" or "women's problem is women" or "black people's biggest problem is black people" etc etc. This is blatant prejudice. The biggest threat to men is not "men". Plenty of men pose no threat whatsoever to anyone.

How is it prejudice, or even identity politics, to say that the biggest danger for men is other men?

I’ll give you a clue: it isn’t.

You trying to say it is is just you deploying your totally unconvincing racism/prejudice schtick, yet again, when it suits you, in other words when it triggers you because it’s about men.