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Councilors: 'We're going to dismantle the Minneapolis Police Department'

Bring Me the News said:
Chief among those calling for change is Northside council member Jeremiah Ellison, who on Thursday tweeted "we are going to dismantle the Minneapolis Police Department."
"And when we’re done, we’re not simply gonna glue it back together," he added. "We are going to dramatically rethink how we approach public safety and emergency response. It’s really past due."
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Council president Lisa Bender backed Ellison's call, tweeting: "Yes. We are going to dismantle the Minneapolis Police Department and replace it with a transformative new model of public safety."
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"If you are a comfortable white person asking to dismantle the police I invite you to reflect: are you willing to stick with it? Will you be calling in three months to ask about garage break-ins? Are you willing to dismantle white supremacy in all systems, including a new system?

Lisa Bender says that white people will just have to endure criminals breaking into their garages (and surely also homes) once they abolish police and replace it with some utopian non-police. Maybe she'll call it "People's Militia"?
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Ward 3 member Steve Fletcher earlier this week accused MPD of reducing response times to his ward because he had voted for budget cuts for the department.
Well longer response times are a logical outcome of cutting budgets, genius! Also, make up your mind - do you want police or do you want no police and more break-ins, at least until People's Militia can get organized.
 
And replace it with what?
The comment about garage break ins doesn’t even make sense within the context of that paragraph yet you managed to use it to your own devices.
This should be titled: Bring me half the news because that is what it is, half a story.
Other local news provides a little more context, specifically that this is still in the spitball stage and city council is just trying to look like they are doing something.
 
Why do we have police? Is it to keep the fearful feeling safe or is it to keep society running smoothly IAC with democratic principles.

I believe it is the latter.

We shouldn't be trying to protect property so much. Rather we should be trying to inform those who have little on how they can gain access to means to lawfully gain more.

We should be focusing on ways for the bottom to more competently participate in the democratic capitalism experiment.

Public safety isn't a matter of theirs and ours. Public safety is only furthered if those who have little have hope becoming more involved fostering increased hope. Police sould be involvment enablers.
 
Why do we have police? Is it to keep the fearful feeling safe or is it to keep society running smoothly IAC with democratic principles.

I believe it is the latter.

We shouldn't be trying to protect property so much. Rather we should be trying to inform those who have little on how they can gain access to means to lawfully gain more.

We should be focusing on ways for the bottom to more competently participate in the democratic capitalism experiment.

Public safety isn't a matter of theirs and ours. Public safety is only furthered if those who have little have hope becoming more involved fostering increased hope. Police sould be involvment enablers.

I disagree a bit.

People have a right to be safe in their own homes and in public places, places of business, entertainment venues, on streets and roads, etc. In all places. They also have a right to expect that no one will steal their stuff.

Absolutely no one's life is worth anything or everything that I own. But I still would expect the fire department to come if my home were on fire. Putting out a house fire at my house is not merely to protect my property (which would likely be a total or near total loss) but also to protect the homes and lives of my neighbors and my neighborhood, etc.

Firefighting is a dangerous job. But we still expect firefighters to do it, even though most of us believe that lives are more important than property.


We should likewise be able to expect police to do their jobs and investigate thefts and home break ins--without killing anyone.
 
Poor Derec.

Needs new batteries in his sanity meter.

People like him can't help their programming. The real "endgame" is, of course, another infamous white supremacists's goal, Helter Skelter. This is precisely why we are seeing so many nazi fuckheads doing the largest amount of damage among the protestors; to make it look like the protestors and groups like BLM and Antifa are "terrorist" organizations when in fact it's the white supremacist pieces of shit that are the true terrorist organization in America.

So, certain people evidently eat their superior's shit like good little incel cucks and then regurgitate it here and elsewhere on such sites to obfuscate or otherwise desperately try to flip the narrative. To put the hood back on, as it were.
 
I disagree a bit.

People have a right to be safe in their own homes and in public places, places of business, entertainment venues, on streets and roads, etc. In all places. They also have a right to expect that no one will steal their stuff.

Although I wasn't talking government interfaces services in general I take you point of fire fighters and government responsibility to keep one and her things safe.

It's just that currently police focus is on maintaining public order. Current structure its more important that a policeman has proper weapons than it is a policemen has critical social information and tools. It should be on acting to bring everybody into a peaceful society. Its the difference between controlling and facilitating, on weapons rather than communication and information.

If society is fucked up enough that some steal rather than contribute it should not be the duty of society to control. Rather society needs to bring those left out into the system. Society needs to adjust so those left out are included. Certainly one isn't going to argue that bad acting is a matter of race or color. Obviously the system is rigged and it needs be adjusted to appear, first less rigged, then actually equalitarian.

If you have the urge to put your knee on someone, put it on your child as your old testament God would have you do. Then you might realize it is the system not the other guy.
 
And there is this:

Minnesota Governor Tim Walz echoed this sentiment in a press conference on Saturday alleging that the demonstrations that caused so much damage included provocateurs, likely from outside the area. State officials said around 80 percent of those arrested in the Twin Cities on Friday were from outside Minnesota. Former FBI agent and CNN commentator, Josh Campbell wrote, that Minnesota “authorities have been monitoring alleged criminals online, including postings by suspected white supremacists trying to incite violence.”

Before the rioting started in Washington DC, Brooklyn, Denver, Atlanta, and other cities, allegations emerged that undercover police officers might be to blame for some of the worst commercial destruction in Minneapolis. Experts on political violence (and not just Qanon conspiracy theorists) shared stories on social media that the May 27 looting and arson at AutoZone by an unidentified man in a gas mask carrying an open umbrella (dubbed #umbrellaman) was not necessarily a protester but could be an agent provocateur or member of the police. In video posted to YouTube, while this man smashed windows with a hammer, protesters at the scene accused him of being an outsider and began to film him.


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CNN became a target of right wing attacks on social media more so than usual on Friday. While some claim that the demonstrators were attacking CNN because there is a small Atlanta Police Department station inside the building, it is at the back of the building and has a different entrance. The attacks on the iconic red letter sign, and what the demonstrators were saying (and NOT saying) did not correspond with demonstrations in the other cities. Unlike earlier in the day at the protest with John Lewis, these protesters were not calling out the names of victims of police brutality: George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, Ahmaud Arbery, Freddie Gray, Michael Brown, Eric Garner, Tamir Rice, Philando Castile (the list goes on).
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The demographics of a largely white, young, and destructive group fit more with a movement known as accelerationists than Black Lives Matter.

The accelerationists, if you have never heard the term, are an extreme subset of white nationalism whose goal is to bring about chaos and destruction. The basic tenet of accelerationism argues that since Western governments are inherently corrupt, the best (and only) thing supremacists can do is to accelerate the end of society by sowing chaos and aggravating political tensions. “Accelerationist ideas have been cited in mass shooters’ manifestos — explicitly, in the case of the New Zealand killer — and are frequently referenced in white supremacist web forums and chat rooms,” Zack Beauchamp explained.

White Supremacists pretending to host a protest to honor Floyd George on Facebook to whip up violence in San Diego were posted on the BLMSD social media warning people not to go and that it was a white supremacist organized rally. People attending demonstrations remarked on the fact that the demographics were wrong, in places like Oakland where the majority of the destruction was perpetrated by young Caucasian men has inspired not just people on social media but reporting in the mainstream media to properly question whether this is a form of infiltration by outside extremist elements.
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A report by Vice News about right-wing infiltrators in the protests notes “hardcore ‘accelerationists’ … are encouraging their neo-Nazi followers to go to the protests and carry out acts of violence against black people.”

Accelerationists follow the blueprint laid out by neo-Nazi James Mason in The Siege (not the film with Denzel Washington) whose writing inspires Charles Manson types of killing sprees. Mason, living in obscurity in Denver until he was brought out of retirement by Atomwaffen, a right wing Neo Nazi group. The goal of accelerationism is to burn everything down and to use violence both to target enemies and instigate an overt and extreme response from the government. Their strategy echoes Gustavo Gorriti’s writings about the Shining Path terrorist group that the movement’s “goal was to provoke blind, excessive reactions from the state… Blows laid on indiscriminately would also provoke among those unjustly or disproportionately affected an intense resentment of the government.”

Similarly accelerationists hope to “demolish the state apparatus that stands between them and a white-dominated future.” And the White Supremacists here could be of a different orientation too – organized to discredit the protestors with no clear or deliberate vision for greater political change in mind.

Bellingcat has documented the involvement in the protests of a largely white, and far-right movement called the Boogaloo, whose leaders “expect, even hope, that the warmer weather will bring armed confrontations with law enforcement, and will build momentum towards a new civil war in the United States.” “As protests over the death of George Floyd heated up in Minneapolis on May 26th, members of Boogaloo groups across Facebook considered it a call to arms,” wrote Bellingcat’s Robert Evans.


They're all Manson's children and that's what certain people are trying to cover up or otherwise redirect.
 
And replace it with what?
The comment about garage break ins doesn’t even make sense within the context of that paragraph yet you managed to use it to your own devices.
Lisa Bender is the one who doesn't make sense. Don't blame me for her foolishness.

This should be titled: Bring me half the news because that is what it is, half a story.
It quotes actual Minneapolis councilors talking about their desire to abolish Minneapolis police. They don't offer much details about what they want to replace it with.

Other local news provides a little more context, specifically that this is still in the spitball stage and city council is just trying to look like they are doing something.
Spitball stage sure, but still their spitballing is very disturbing.
 
Why do we have police? Is it to keep the fearful feeling safe or is it to keep society running smoothly IAC with democratic principles.
I believe it is the latter.
Police is there to enforce the law. It is the job of lawmakers to make laws that are just and reasonable, so police do not waste their time busting people smoking weed or engaging in sex work.

We shouldn't be trying to protect property so much.
Protection of private property is one of the hallmarks of civilization.
If we allow people to just take what is not theirs, for example from people's garages (as Lisa Bender wants people in Minneapolis to get used to), you no longer have a civilized society.

Rather we should be trying to inform those who have little on how they can gain access to means to lawfully gain more.
Those two things are not mutually exclusive. In fact, protection of property is necessary for this to even make sense. Why strive to lawfully gain more if you can just take somebody else's property and if your property can be taken away with no repercussions.

We should be focusing on ways for the bottom to more competently participate in the democratic capitalism experiment.
What are your suggestions?

Public safety isn't a matter of theirs and ours. Public safety is only furthered if those who have little have hope becoming more involved fostering increased hope. Police sould be involvment enablers.
I don't think that's within the police bailiwick.
 
We should likewise be able to expect police to do their jobs and investigate thefts and home break ins--without killing anyone.
Without killing anyone is too much to ask for. Vast majority of police shootings are justified.
What should police do if attacked by a home invader for example? Not defend themselves?
 
People like him can't help their programming.
It's you who can't help your programming. Helter Skelter? What is this? 1960s?

So, certain people evidently eat their superior's shit like good little incel cucks and then regurgitate it here and elsewhere on such sites to obfuscate or otherwise desperately try to flip the narrative. To put the hood back on, as it were.

The unhinged brand of bullshit we have come to expect from you Koy!
 
If society is fucked up enough that some steal rather than contribute it should not be the duty of society to control.
Every society has people who would rather steal than work for their money. Existence of thieves, burglars, robbers etc. is not a sign that a society is fucked up.

Certainly one isn't going to argue that bad acting is a matter of race or color.
There are bad people of any race.

Obviously the system is rigged and it needs be adjusted to appear, first less rigged, then actually equalitarian.
There are certain aspects of the system that can be described as rigged. In fact, that was a big part of Trump's 2016 campaign and his appeal in the Rust Belt.
That doesn't justfy stealing from others nor does it justify city councilors telling people they should just live with their garages getting broken into just because they want to dismantle police.

If you have the urge to put your knee on someone, put it on your child as your old testament God would have you do. Then you might realize it is the system not the other guy.
What now?
 
Minnesota Governor Tim Walz echoed this sentiment in a press conference on Saturday alleging that the demonstrations that caused so much damage included provocateurs, likely from outside the area. State officials said around 80 percent of those arrested in the Twin Cities on Friday were from outside Minnesota. Former FBI agent and CNN commentator, Josh Campbell wrote, that Minnesota “authorities have been monitoring alleged criminals online, including postings by suspected white supremacists trying to incite violence.”

While some rioters were from outside the area and the state, most were local.
And being an outsider doesn't mean that one is a "white supremacist" as opposed to somebody with your ideology.

Before the rioting started in Washington DC, Brooklyn, Denver, Atlanta, and other cities, allegations emerged that undercover police officers might be to blame for some of the worst commercial destruction in Minneapolis.
There has been zero evidence for that. Somebody claiming shit on Twitter is NOT evidence.

And you get even more unhinged with the whole Charles Manson conspiracy theory. Koy, for the love of FSM, do relax. You are losing it man.
 
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