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Ritual Human and Animal Sacrifice in the Bible (Why does God want me to burn animals and humans?)

What chapter/verse has God instructing Noah to sacrifice animals?
Genesis 8:20 was Noah's initiative.

Awwwww, poor Lion.

You're in a snit, we get it. In other places, no one lets you add your made-up shit to scripture, here you want to demand scriptural support in retaliation.

Thing is, it'd probably be more effective if you didn't use the second sentence to ADD TO SCRIPTURE.
Nowhere does it say WHO came up with the idea, so your conclusion is an insertion on your part.

Just can't seem to help yourself, can you?

The Op says "Why does God want..."

Tell phands that "nowwhere does it say WHO came up with the idea, so your conclusion is an insertion on your part."
 
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What does God want?

Meanwhile...

Isaiah 1:11 "What is your multitude of sacrifices to Me?" says the LORD. "I am full from the burnt offerings of rams and the fat of well-fed cattle; I take no delight in the blood of bulls, of lambs and goats.

Psalm 51:16 For You do not delight in sacrifice, or I would bring it; You take no pleasure in burnt offerings.

Hebrews 10:4 because it is impossible for the blood of bulls and of goats to take away sins.
 
[h=1]Leviticus 1 [/h] 1 And the Lord called unto Moses, and spake unto him out of the tabernacle of the congregation, saying,
2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, If any man of you bring an offering unto the Lord, ye shall bring your offering of the cattle, even of the herd, and of the flock.
3 If his offering be a burnt sacrifice of the herd, let him offer a male without blemish: he shall offer it of his own voluntary will at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation before the Lord.

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The first few chapters of Leviticus deal with sacrifices, commanded by God and regulated by God's commands. See Leviticus chapters 1 - 8 for more.
 
Exodus 29:10-18 King James Version (KJV)

10 And thou shalt cause a bullock to be brought before the tabernacle of the congregation: and Aaron and his sons shall put their hands upon the head of the bullock.

11 And thou shalt kill the bullock before the Lord, by the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.

12 And thou shalt take of the blood of the bullock, and put it upon the horns of the altar with thy finger, and pour all the blood beside the bottom of the altar.

13 And thou shalt take all the fat that covereth the inwards, and the caul that is above the liver, and the two kidneys, and the fat that is upon them, and burn them upon the altar.

14 But the flesh of the bullock, and his skin, and his dung, shalt thou burn with fire without the camp: it is a sin offering.

15 Thou shalt also take one ram; and Aaron and his sons shall put their hands upon the head of the ram.

16 And thou shalt slay the ram, and thou shalt take his blood, and sprinkle it round about upon the altar.

17 And thou shalt cut the ram in pieces, and wash the inwards of him, and his legs, and put them unto his pieces, and unto his head.

18 And thou shalt burn the whole ram upon the altar: it is a burnt offering unto the Lord: it is a sweet savour, an offering made by fire unto the Lord.
 
A few weeks ago, somebody here (Not Me!) left a pot of hamburger on the stove and forgot about it. It burnt. Burnt very well done. It was NOT a sweet savor. In fact it was ghastly. But God was happy. No tacos that night.
 
The idea of a 'sin eater' is known in different cultures. Someone eats a sacrifice thought to contain all the transgressions of the group purging them of guilt. Ritual purging through animal sacrifice was probably common. Yearly group catharsis.

The idea of JC being a sacrificial lamb consuming all sins past and future for believers would not have been a new idea.

Adding Christians view JC as a sacrificial lamb led to slaughter to atone for all sins of believers past and present. The temple during the time of JC was big business making profit supplying Jews with sacrificial animals. The way I read it put a steady bloody stream of live animals in and dead caracases out.
 
The best explanation for the
origin of animal sacrifice rituals



It's likely that these practices predate any religion.
You think there's a non-religious motivation for a blood sacrifice? What would that be, even in general terms?

A possible explanation is that the sacrificed animal was put out as an offering to a predator animal in the area.

The predator animal was satisfied by this, as a regular source of food, and "in return" became less threatening to those humans. Also it drove away other predator animals in the area.

There are some practices like this among animals: A predator lurks near a colony of herbivores, and they are protected by this predator from other predators who otherwise would invade the territory. The herbivores choose to remain in the location and live mostly undisturbed but lose a member to the protector predator at predictable intervals. But they are better off than if there were many predators coming and going unpredictably.

This better explains the origin of animal sacrifice rituals than just saying religions invented this for no practical reason. They originally served a practical purpose, but later became religionized. Eventually the ritual practices died out as human communities and their livestock became better protected against roaming predators. But the rituals continued on for centuries as long-established religious practices.



not a product of religion, not "made up" by priests, and not ordained by God

One suggestion seems to be that the priests instituted the practices as a trick to acquire income, in the form of animals for them to eat. So it was payment from worshipers, or money in the form of meat which was brought to the temples. And maybe also the priests shared some of this "revenue" with the rulers, who obviously could not stand by without taking their cut in these profits:

It's likely that these practices predate any religion. They obviously predate anything in the Bible or anything Jewish. The latter just adopted them from the pre-existing culture.

Where did they really originate? Why did humans start doing this?

When the priests managed to con their followers into bringing them tasty animals. God got the offal.

Why have the rituals mostly disappeared? Why don't the priests do the same thing today? That clever trick should work just as well today as it did 7000 years ago.

They haven't disappeared, and it does still work, but they have decided that cash is better.

With the end of the barter economy, priests stopped expecting payment in animals, and started taking cash, just like everyone else.

Can this really explain how animal sacrifices originated? as a way to get rich, or receive payments, in the form of animals or meat paid to the priests? and maybe over time the animal payments were replaced by cash, as currencies became invented and replaced barter?

One reason this is not likely is that it would require the priests to establish a meat market, to sell the meat to consumers generally, because otherwise they would not get rich this way. They would have to resell this product for additional profit beyond their own personal consumption, meaning establishing a meat-shop business. Instead of this they would want payment in some form of easily-converted wealth, like precious stones, diamonds, etc., which could not spoil and could be stored up for years and not require a daily commercial enterprise.

Another reason this explanation doesn't make sense is that it doesn't explain the human sacrifices, which were quite common in the earlier times when the practices originated. The human offerings were probably part of the origin. They could decrease over time, as being more unpleasant, but originally they were much more common and must have been practiced out of necessity and some reason other than just a form of gaining income or getting rich. The animal meat would be much more desirable and convenient than killing humans, and yet in the earlier time the human sacrifices were very common, indicating that it was done out of necessity because there was no other choice for gaining whatever the benefit was.

Also, there had to be a social benefit, not just a selfish profit for the priests. These practices had to be understood by the community as something the whole community needed, and done to serve a general social benefit. It couldn't have just been a trick played on everyone else in order for the priests to get rich.

But if the intended benefit was to ward off some danger, such as predator attacks, as explained at the top, then this explains why human sacrifices were sometimes necessary, for the community, when there were no animals available to offer.

If a small community of humans, settled in a village or traveling or hunting, felt compelled to put out an offering to the local predator(s), and there were no animals available at that time to offer, then a human offering might have been their only choice. So out of fear of worse consequences they had a system of choosing a victim to offer when it was necessary, and this would satisfy the demand of the predator which would then leave the community in peace and wait in the area to effectively guard the community against other predators which might show up. This might be preferable for the community, even in a case where they might be able to fight off the predator, which would cause them to lose the predator's usefulness to them in driving away other predators.

So this explains the origin of animal sacrifices, including human sacrifices, whereas just inventing these rituals to promote religion, without a practical need served, inflicts damage onto the community, and pain, whereas instead they could invent something harmless and painless to satisfy their religious instincts. Religions have done this for centuries, being creative, building shrines and doing art and music, etc. to please the god(s), worshiping in many ways, without the need to do something painful and sadistic to the community.

The rituals almost certainly did not originate from religions as part of the worship of gods, because religion, as we understand it, probably came later than animal sacrifice practices. Prior to 10,000 BC it's not clear that religion really existed, outside the burial practices, which might have served a purely practical need. From 10,000 onward there emerge the clearly religious practices, large meetings with preaching and various ritual observances. The much earlier burial practices could have been done for practical purposes only, without a religious need being served.

Even if there was some form of "religion" going back to 50,000 or 100,000 BC and earlier, it's hardly what we mean by "religion" today, and obviously had no ideas about "blood atonement" or angry gods demanding sacrifices to atone for sin. So any such ideas or thinking cannot explain the origin of animal sacrifices, which probably existed much earlier:

The earliest evidence of animal sacrifice, however, comes from Paleolithic hunters who preceded Neolithic cultivators by tens of thousands of years.
The Perennial Dictionary of World Religions, p. 638 (originally published as Abingdon Dictionary of Living Religions)
 
I wonder how much though y'all have given into the psychology of sacrifice.

So, key point here: there is a psychological mechanism by which sacrifice (though not necessarily only sacrifice) is leveraged.

I'm sure you have heard of the sunk cost fallacy, but in the off chance you have not it is the idea that of throwing good money after bad.

It's a common trap that human beings in particular are wired to fall into easily.

The reason it exists, however, is that it is not only a trap: this is what the idea of sacrifice happens to latch onto.

The mechanism, often misattributed to God having Favor of sacrifice, is that when you give up or do something big, and messy, and often painful on account of you not eating that food that is represented by the animal or worse, you are pretty much guaranteed to often and for some long time remember what you did.

Moreover, you are guaranteed to often and for some long time to remember not only what but WHY you did it.

The sacrifice is like a big, emotional, bloody, burnt-flesh smelling tack holding the post-it note of your intentions on the wall of your mind.

Obviously there are other ways to accomplish this, but the most direct, accessible, and most deeply impactful event of a life to add to an intent is generally going to be a memory of killing something.

At some point, either since the beginning or perhaps later, people used the god idea as a convenient lightning rod for the guilt. All of the magic, all of the bloody, burnt-flesh memories, with none of the existential guilt because "this is what the gods want for their blessings".

It's an excuse to use the lives of things in this way.
 
So out of fear of worse consequences they had a system of choosing a victim to offer when it was necessary, and this would satisfy the demand of the predator which would then leave the community in peace and wait in the area to effectively guard the community against other predators which might show up.
God is the predator in the Bible story, and Jesus is sacrificed to him to leave the community in peace. I'm glad you see it the same way.
 
So out of fear of worse consequences they had a system of choosing a victim to offer when it was necessary, and this would satisfy the demand of the predator which would then leave the community in peace and wait in the area to effectively guard the community against other predators which might show up.
God is the predator in the Bible story, and Jesus is sacrificed to him to leave the community in peace. I'm glad you see it the same way.
More, I can see it as "the intent was to remind us that we have an obligation to work to be better than who we were and the sacrifice to pin that intent graphically against the wall was someone who was presumed perfect".

Of course, we didn't need to actually sacrifice a real person for that. You really just need the story of the sacrifice and a guy (or a pile of young guys, presumably trendy apocalypse preachers getting sacrificed, many who happened to be named "Jesus") to point to as your "it was him!"

It uses the imagination to create an effective "sacrifice" towards the intent to think about what it takes to be better as a person, to think about "love your neighbor".

In that way, it's fairly effective.

The problem is, this sacrifice is forced on everyone by those who preach it, and they fail to show the work or validity of that intent.

Worse, they try to pin a whole bunch of other junk onto the sacrifice: the OT, and such, not to mention Paul's bullshit
 
An excuse for a barbecue?
Yes, I have this theory that BBQ is at the root of religion. The high priest of UR came up with a way to eat with out working.
Well now that you mention it, a barbecue is a family. friends, and community ritual. For some it takes om a religious air. The ritual is performed with secret recipes known only to the few. The baroque-er wears the sacred hat of office and the sacred robe, ie apron.

Someone at a barbecue commented exchanging food is primal. In the ritual the giver and the receiver express mutual acceptance and community.

Ritual slaughter of an animal and burning it for god should be obvious. Expressions of community with god.


Biblacly I don't thnk it is a ritual demanded by god, it is a ritual of community that includes god. Again it is a matter of literal rendering of the bible vs putting yourself in the shoes of the people of the day.

When it first stared Monday Night Football became a national ritual. Families watched it. People talked about it the next day at work.

The college b ball tournament is a ritual.
 
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