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Ritual Human and Animal Sacrifice in the Bible (Why does God want me to burn animals and humans?)

God doesn't like lies.

hmmm....the bible's not entirely with you there....

Now, now, now. I said
There are many places in The Books where it's made clear that God doesn't like lies.
The fact that there are ALSO places in The Books that contradict these places doesn't make my statement any less accurate.

So God hates lying liars, and God also sometimes lies. It's amazing how I have absolutely no problem accepting those two traits of the Omni-perfect being presented in The Books.

But if you can find any place where he promises retribution upon those who lie by omission, that'd be great.
 
And if a prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet.
Always did like that one, though.
I've had bosses (or superiors) who'd take credit for my work, but just as quickly throw me under the bus if things went south... God at least claims, here, to want to stand up for his people, when he's the one that did them a dirty.
Good trait for a supervisor.
On the other hand, if a prophet is spouting bullshit, there's no real way to know if he's a false prophet, or a true prophet spreading authorized bullshit, as directed by the skybeast..
 
Why doesn't anyone ask what is the real origin of animal sacrifice rituals?

It's likely that these practices predate any religion. They obviously predate anything in the Bible or anything Jewish. The latter just adopted them from the pre-existing culture.

Where did they really originate? Why did humans start doing this?
 
The issue being, if the Bible is claimed to be inspired by God. the Creator of the Universe, why does the Bible - taken to be inspired by God - say that burnt offerings are ''pleasing to the Lord?''
 
Why doesn't anyone ask what is the real origin of animal sacrifice rituals?

It's likely that these practices predate any religion. They obviously predate anything in the Bible or anything Jewish. The latter just adopted them from the pre-existing culture.

Where did they really originate? Why did humans start doing this?

Jordan Peterson on this exact topic.


"Some modern readers might dismiss the idea of sacrifice as a superstitious practice of primitive savages..." From Public Discourse June 2018

Our own suffering is undeniable, so what can we do about it? “If you want to make things better in the future,” writes Peterson, “then you make sacrifices in the present.” Human beings project their existence into the future, and so can work now to make their futures better. “It’s our knowledge of the possibility of tragedy and suffering in the future that motivates us to sacrifice in the present, so that we can reduce the unnecessary anxiety, uncertainty, and pain that awaits us.” Far from exhibiting primitive superstition, “the sacrifices that people were making to God were the dramatic precursors to the psychological idea of sacrifice that we all hold as civilized people in the modern world.”
 
Why doesn't anyone ask what is the real origin of animal sacrifice rituals?
How is that NOT the question that's actually in the title of the thread?
Biblegod wants blood sacrifices, why?

It's likely that these practices predate any religion.
You think there's a non-religious motivation for a blood sacrifice? What would that be, even in general terms?
 
The issue being, if the Bible is claimed to be inspired by God. the Creator of the Universe, why does the Bible - taken to be inspired by God - say that burnt offerings are ''pleasing to the Lord?''


Well, to summarize, the bible is an internally inconsistent work of supremely evil filth, written about a non-existent sky-fairy over a period of centuries and heavily edited for political control purposes ever since.

Looking for logic, and joined-up thinking in the bible is utterly pointless.
 
What was the original purpose served by the animal sacrifice rituals?

Why doesn't anyone ask what is the real origin of animal sacrifice rituals?

It's likely that these practices predate any religion. They obviously predate anything in the Bible or anything Jewish. The latter just adopted them from the pre-existing culture.

Where did they really originate? Why did humans start doing this?

Jordan Peterson on this exact topic.

"Some modern readers might dismiss the idea of sacrifice as a superstitious practice of primitive savages..." From Public Discourse June 2018

Our own suffering is undeniable, so what can we do about it? “If you want to make things better in the future,” writes Peterson, “then you make sacrifices in the present.”
But how did the animal sacrifice rituals make things better in the future? Why would the ancient humans believe these made things better?


Human beings project their existence into the future, and so can work now to make their futures better.
But how did those rituals make their futures better? Why would they believe it made the future better?


“It’s our knowledge of the possibility of tragedy and suffering in the future that motivates us to sacrifice in the present, so that we can reduce the unnecessary anxiety, uncertainty, and pain that awaits us.”
But legitimate "sacrifice in the present" which makes the future better means working, planting, building, etc., which produces practical benefit. But how did the animal sacrifice rituals produce any practical benefit?


Far from exhibiting primitive superstition, “the sacrifices that people were making to God were the dramatic precursors to the psychological idea of sacrifice that we all hold as civilized people in the modern world.”
But this means there had to be a practical benefit produced by the sacrifice rituals.

The legitimate idea of sacrifice means doing something necessary to produce future benefit. What benefit was produced by these rituals?

A sacrifice means paying a price now, like giving up a goat or 2 from the herd, in order to produce a future benefit which would not otherwise happen. So, what was the future benefit produced by killing the goat and burning its carcass.

In some cases they ate the sacrificed animal, but in that case, what was the "sacrifice"? What price were they paying if all they did was eat a goat they were already planning to eat? That's no sacrifice at all, because they're not giving up anything.

For these practices to make any sense, there had to be a practical benefit gained by doing them.

To say their religion taught them it was pleasing to God doesn't explain the origin. What reason did they have to believe this? Why would they put that into their religion?
 
Why doesn't anyone ask what is the real origin of animal sacrifice rituals?

It's likely that these practices predate any religion. They obviously predate anything in the Bible or anything Jewish. The latter just adopted them from the pre-existing culture.

Where did they really originate? Why did humans start doing this?

When the priests managed to con their followers into bringing them tasty animals. God got the offal.
 
Why doesn't anyone ask what is the real origin of animal sacrifice rituals?

It's likely that these practices predate any religion. They obviously predate anything in the Bible or anything Jewish. The latter just adopted them from the pre-existing culture.

Where did they really originate? Why did humans start doing this?

When the priests managed to con their followers into bringing them tasty animals. God got the offal.

Why have the rituals mostly disappeared? Why don't the priests do the same thing today? That clever trick should work just as well today as it did 7000 years ago.
 
Why doesn't anyone ask what is the real origin of animal sacrifice rituals?
How is that NOT the question that's actually in the title of the thread?
Biblegod wants blood sacrifices, why?

So you're saying there was a superhuman "Biblegod" demanding these blood sacrifices? who spoke to Moses and others and prescribed these rituals? You believe that?

Was this "Biblegod" the same as the earlier gods who demanded the same thing? Do you understand that these practices originated long before the Bible was written, going back several thousand years?

You believe there were "gods" who demanded this from people?


It's likely that these practices predate any religion.
You think there's a non-religious motivation for a blood sacrifice? What would that be, even in general terms?

A possible explanation is that the sacrificed animal was put out as an offering to a predator animal in the area.

The predator animal was satisfied by this, as a regular source of food, and "in return" became less threatening to those humans. Also it drove away other predator animals in the area.

There are some practices like this among animals: A predator lurks near a colony of herbivores, and they are protected by this predator from other predators who otherwise would invade the territory. The herbivores choose to remain in the location and live mostly undisturbed but lose a member to the protector predator at predictable intervals. But they are better off than if there were many predators coming and going unpredictably.

This better explains the origin of animal sacrifice rituals than just saying religions invented this for no practical reason. They originally served a practical purpose, but later became religionized. Eventually the ritual practices died out as human communities and their livestock became better protected against roaming predators. But the rituals continued on for centuries as long-established religious practices.

And, whatever the origin, they were not invented by the Bible writers, who obviously borrowed this from the earlier culture. So it wasn't "Biblegod" who wanted blood sacrifices.
 
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Why doesn't anyone ask what is the real origin of animal sacrifice rituals?

It's likely that these practices predate any religion. They obviously predate anything in the Bible or anything Jewish. The latter just adopted them from the pre-existing culture.

Where did they really originate? Why did humans start doing this?

When the priests managed to con their followers into bringing them tasty animals. God got the offal.

Why have the rituals mostly disappeared? Why don't the priests do the same thing today? That clever trick should work just as well today as it did 7000 years ago.

They haven't disappeared, and it does still work, but they have decided that cash is better.

With the end of the barter economy, priests stopped expecting payment in animals, and started taking cash, just like everyone else.
 
Why have the rituals mostly disappeared? Why don't the priests do the same thing today? That clever trick should work just as well today as it did 7000 years ago.

They haven't disappeared, and it does still work, but they have decided that cash is better.

With the end of the barter economy, priests stopped expecting payment in animals, and started taking cash, just like everyone else.

Yeah but animals taste better than cash.
 
Why have the rituals mostly disappeared? Why don't the priests do the same thing today? That clever trick should work just as well today as it did 7000 years ago.

They haven't disappeared, and it does still work, but they have decided that cash is better.

With the end of the barter economy, priests stopped expecting payment in animals, and started taking cash, just like everyone else.

Yeah but animals taste better than cash.

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So you're saying...
Aaaaaaand that's as far as i jeed to go with that post.

Your ability to read information into other people's post is legendadily useless. So, no, im pretty sure whatever you think you heard me sayis not what i said.

Did you answer my question in your post?
 
Was Abel asked by God to sacrifice animals?
Was Noah asked?
Abraham?

It seems obvious to me that the first idea/instance of blood sacrifice was started by humans.
 
Was Abel asked by God to sacrifice animals?
Was Noah asked?
Abraham?

It seems obvious to me that the first idea/instance of blood sacrifice was started by humans.

It seems obvious to me that clearly fictional tales are not a sound basis for an understanding of the history of ritual, particularly when those tales massively post-date those rituals.

Archaeology says that your book of tales is a useless guide to the facts in this case (as in so many others).

No ideas originated from gods, because all gods are fictional characters. Fictional characters don't have ideas.

Bronze Age tales are not a useful guide to Palaeolithic thinking.
 
Was Abel asked by God to sacrifice animals?
Was Noah asked?
Abraham?

It seems obvious to me that the first idea/instance of blood sacrifice was started by humans.

It seems obvious to me that clearly fictional tales are not a sound basis for an understanding of the history of ritual, particularly when those tales massively post-date those rituals.
And, yeah, Noah was directed by Got do perform a sacrifice.

His shopping list of animals to take on the ark included two pair of all animals and 7 pair of all the 'clean' animals, which were those animals that were appropriate for sacrifices. Those are the ones he slaughtered at the end of the cruise.
God had to have revealed either the list of clean animals or the rules whereby clean was determined. Else Noah could not have obediently collected the cutting zoo...
 
What chapter/verse has God instructing Noah to sacrifice animals?
Genesis 8:20 was Noah's initiative.
 
Awwwww, poor Lion.

You're in a snit, we get it. In other places, no one lets you add your made-up shit to scripture, here you want to demand scriptural support in retaliation.

Thing is, it'd probably be more effective if you didn't use the second sentence to ADD TO SCRIPTURE.
Nowhere does it say WHO came up with the idea, so your conclusion is an insertion on your part.

Just can't seem to help yourself, can you?
 
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