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So this is interesting. Really very interesting.
I honestly do not know if you are saying this because you truly do not have any idea what the other methods are, or if you are playing a game pretending you don’t know.Firstly, 24% condoms plus 13% pill equals 39%
Where's the other 61% ? Long acting methods?
I'm asking why the data is opaque.
It specifies the exact percentage for condoms and the contraceptive pill - two very common methods of contraception - but I didn't find the percentages for any others.
Shouldn't they be clearer about this great big "other" slice of the pie chart? The 61%
You don’t appear to make any effort to find out what the others are, you just make a statement that seems to mock the data as bad, and tries to discredit it by implication.
You can't mock data which isn't provided.
So what’s the story? Do you REALLY not know what the other 61% might be?
What it "might be"?
You don’t know about sponges, diaphragms (even though I mentioned those right in front of you just here in this thread), gels, spermicides, vaginal rings, internal condoms, patches, shots, and cervical caps?
Am I supposed to speculate on which method the other 61% might have used?
The rhythm method?
The withdrawal method?
The..."my sex parter told me he had a vasectomy" method?
The..."I didn't think you could get pregnant while menstruating" method?
Then you write this:
And you write it with this wide-eyed “I’m shocked!”Secondly, this (self-reported) anecdotal data of "almost half" is HUGELY at odds with the statistical empirical data showing contraceptive effectiveness of > 95%
Yes.
Its a big gap.
...unless youre going to make the comparable claim that contraceptives also fail ~ 50% of the time in the general population of women who DONT seek abortions.
Are you actually utterly ignorant of all the factors that change the “when used perfectly” statistics? Genuine question, not snark.
Are you admitting that the 24% who claimed to have "used" condoms probably werent "using" them properly? And the 13% who claimed they used the pill sometime in the month before they got pregnant probably didnt.
...Didnt use the pill.
...Didnt use the pill in the same way as all those other women who DIDNT get pregnant use their contraceptive pill.
Were you, for example aware of the example I gave earlier that antibiotics decrease the effectiveness of hormonal contraceptives like the pill?
Yes.
Do you know that the birth control pill needs to be taken at the same time every day...
Yes.
From the way you post, I gather that you have very little knowledge of how birth control works.
It seems to me there's a pretty large cohort of women attending abortion clinics with 'very little knowledge' of how birth control works.
Or more specifically, how to "use" birth control the way everyone else does.
Either that or It could be that these people are merely claiming they "used" contraception - at some point during the month before they got pregnant. It's possible this claim might help assuage some sense of guilt.
...I tried not to get pregnant ...not my fault I got pregnant, ...not my fault I'm having an abortion.
The world is real. And your sense of entitlement in micro-managing all hours of every woman’s day is utterly unrealistic.
Try sticking to the topic.
Lion IRC isnt the topic.
Why is there a huge disconnect between the effectiveness of contraceptives and the number of unwanted pregnancy abortions.
Do you realize that a large number of abortions are married women with kids who don’t want more and who have failed birth control, but still expect to live in a world where they are allowed by you to have sex with their husbands!?
I'm not answering your 'women, husbands, sex' questions. That has nothing to do with me.
And I don't have anything to do with the reason women seek abortions. I make the reasonable assumption that women living in 21st Century USA know how to avoid unwanted pregnancy abortions. I make the reasonable assumption that they know how a condom is used and how to follow the fairly simple instructions on a box of contraceptive pill.