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Roe v Wade is on deck

ZiprHead said:
A Tip Line to report abortions is already being used this way:

Texas Tip Line for Reports of ‘Illegal’ Abortions Flooded With Shrek Porn, Other Memes

Here's the form itself, which no one absolutely should ever just spam with useless junk or false reports:

https://prolifewhistleblower.com/anonymous-form/
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Indeed, that would be wrong. But in the war against abortion, you can not be too safe. After all, that person that was driving with someone else... was it a carpool or were they going to an abortion clinic. Better safe than sorry.
 
Why does Texas want ordinary citizens to get rich off of abortions? Texas has passed a law that allows disinterested third parties to sue anyone that had to do with a woman getting an abortion, except the woman for money. An individual could potential score $10,000 to $100,000 plus legal fees per abortion. That could amount to over a billion dollars into the pockets of people. Why does the Texas Legislature want people to get wealthy from abortions?
 
Here's the piece of legal theory I don't understand -- perhaps someone here knows. We're always told that standing is a controlling factor in lawsuits, especially as it relates to government. Example: an athiest's suit against Bush II having a faith-based office in the WH had his suit dismissed because courts told him he had no standing and could not demonstrate a personal interest or personal loss from the Bush policy.
So -- what gives a private citizen in Texas any standing to sue someone else who either had an abortion, performed an abortion, or facilitated an abortion?
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
Why does Texas want ordinary citizens to get rich off of abortions? Texas has passed a law that allows disinterested third parties to sue anyone that had to do with a woman getting an abortion, except the woman for money. An individual could potential score $10,000 to $100,000 plus legal fees per abortion. That could amount to over a billion dollars into the pockets of people. Why does the Texas Legislature want people to get wealthy from abortions?
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They don't. They want abortion clinics to go poor defending themselves from nuisance lawsuits. Even if every one fails, it'll blast the clinic budgets.
 
ideologyhunter said:
Here's the piece of legal theory I don't understand -- perhaps someone here knows. We're always told that standing is a controlling factor in lawsuits, especially as it relates to government. Example: an athiest's suit against Bush II having a faith-based office in the WH had his suit dismissed because courts told him he had no standing and could not demonstrate a personal interest or personal loss from the Bush policy.
So -- what gives a private citizen in Texas any standing to sue someone else who either had an abortion, performed an abortion, or facilitated an abortion?
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Yes, that's an excellent point.
 
untermensche said:
ZiprHead said:
A Tip Line to report abortions is already being used this way:

Texas Tip Line for Reports of ‘Illegal’ Abortions Flooded With Shrek Porn, Other Memes

Here's the form itself, which no one absolutely should ever just spam with useless junk or false reports:

https://prolifewhistleblower.com/anonymous-form/
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The tip line has been spammed already.

If they actually want random scumbags to rat on their neighbors they will continually be open to spamming.
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And to punish women. Don't forget that this is what a large part of the anti-abortion movement is about: punishing and controlling women. I do know some people who are profoundly invested in ensuring that no fetuses are aborted because they genuinely consider that infanticide.
 
I think the best course of action is for some Texans to file suits (and lots of them) against Abbott and every legislator who voted for the law alleging their siding and abetting an abortion.
 
laughing dog said:
I think the best course of action is for some Texans to file suits (and lots of them) against Abbott and every legislator who voted for the law alleging their siding and abetting an abortion.
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You don't have to be a texan to file a lawsuit.
 
Keith&Co. said:
Jimmy Higgins said:
Why does Texas want ordinary citizens to get rich off of abortions? Texas has passed a law that allows disinterested third parties to sue anyone that had to do with a woman getting an abortion, except the woman for money. An individual could potential score $10,000 to $100,000 plus legal fees per abortion. That could amount to over a billion dollars into the pockets of people. Why does the Texas Legislature want people to get wealthy from abortions?
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They don't. They want abortion clinics to go poor defending themselves from nuisance lawsuits. Even if every one fails, it'll blast the clinic budgets.
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That is an unusually straight reply.
 
Jarhyn said:
TomC said:
The people who wrote this law don't have a great track record for legislation clarity. It would be fun if they overlooked this possibility.
But I'm guessing that they wrote it restrict action to abortion, and not other kinds of killing.
Tom
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Yeah, doesn't matter. As long as it's a law that makes such legislation of standing odious to their goals, they will strike it rather than risk losing a war to win a battle.
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It was a shadow docket decision, they didn't rule on the merits of the law, so there is no precedent set. The only thing stopping them from ruling differently on another similarly constructed law would be their personal integrity. lol

Too bad, I wanted to get a law passed that said any Republican who ever utters "all lives matter" has to be my butler.
 
Keith&Co. said:
Jimmy Higgins said:
Why does Texas want ordinary citizens to get rich off of abortions? Texas has passed a law that allows disinterested third parties to sue anyone that had to do with a woman getting an abortion, except the woman for money. An individual could potential score $10,000 to $100,000 plus legal fees per abortion. That could amount to over a billion dollars into the pockets of people. Why does the Texas Legislature want people to get wealthy from abortions?
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They don't. They want abortion clinics to go poor defending themselves from nuisance lawsuits. Even if every one fails, it'll blast the clinic budgets.
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Is it possible to make losers to pay clinics's lawyers?
 
No, it's in the law that defendants get nothing if they win.
 
blastula said:
Jarhyn said:
TomC said:
The people who wrote this law don't have a great track record for legislation clarity. It would be fun if they overlooked this possibility.
But I'm guessing that they wrote it restrict action to abortion, and not other kinds of killing.
Tom
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Yeah, doesn't matter. As long as it's a law that makes such legislation of standing odious to their goals, they will strike it rather than risk losing a war to win a battle.
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It was a shadow docket decision, they didn't rule on the merits of the law, so there is no precedent set. The only thing stopping them from ruling differently on another similarly constructed law would be their personal integrity. lol

Too bad, I wanted to get a law passed that said any Republican who ever utters "all lives matter" has to be my butler.
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Republicans have been telling us for decades they want to end legal abortion. It's one of the few things they haven't lied about.

It is the only thing they have to attract deluded Christians to their shit show.

Many during the 2016 campaign for president who said people should hold their noses and vote for Hillary because of the Supreme Court and matters like abortion were laughed at and criticized by people who said the right to abortion was not threatened by Trump.

Nobody is laughing now.
 
ideologyhunter said:
Here's the piece of legal theory I don't understand -- perhaps someone here knows. We're always told that standing is a controlling factor in lawsuits, especially as it relates to government. Example: an athiest's suit against Bush II having a faith-based office in the WH had his suit dismissed because courts told him he had no standing and could not demonstrate a personal interest or personal loss from the Bush policy.
So -- what gives a private citizen in Texas any standing to sue someone else who either had an abortion, performed an abortion, or facilitated an abortion?
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The legislature. It can pass a law granting standing in this or that.
 
Bumble, Match Leaders Set Up Funds For Those Affected By Texas Abortion Ban : NPR
The dating-app company Bumble has created a special fund to help people affected by Texas' new abortion ban. The CEO of Match, which owns Tinder, is creating a similar fund. Both companies are based in Texas and are led by women.

"I'm not speaking about this as the CEO of a company," Match Group CEO Shar Dubey said in a note sent to employees Thursday night. "I'm speaking about this personally, as a mother and a woman who has fervently cared about women's rights, including the very fundamental right of choice over her body."

"I immigrated to America from India over 25 years ago and I have to say, as a Texas resident, I am shocked that I now live in a state where women's reproductive laws are more regressive than most of the world, including India," Dubey added.
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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "In the last 24 hours, ..." / Twitter
In the last 24 hours, our supporters raised $185,000+ for Texas abortion orgs and made ~100,000 check-in calls to Ida flood victims in our NYC district.

Let this be your sign. Find an organizing community, roll up your sleeves, and get to work. It feels better to be in movement.

Just pick one and go. You’ll find more, learn more, and grow.

If you need a place to start, you’re welcome to join ours at
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linking to her official campaign site.


Plan C on Twitter: "Road trips and long lines to the clinic are a thing of the past!
💊 Visit (PLAN C pill site) to find abortion pills online.
💊 EXTRA REMINDER: AID Access is now offering advanced provision of abortion pills to people in Texas for $105. (pix link)" / Twitter
linking to PLAN C: A Guide to Abortion Pills Online

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "Christian extremists are passing forced birth laws to intimidate & cut off abortion services - including for victims of rape, incest, & child abuse.

While we fight back, know you still have options. Pills can be mailed to your home discreetly.

Info here: (PLAN C pill site)" / Twitter
 
Seems to me that the Supreme Court is letting Roe vs. Wade lapse by inaction, by not doing anything about a strong antiabortion law.

Many opponents of abortion claim that they want to leave it to the states to decide. But will they be good losers about states that continue to accept abortion?

Abortion tourism is likely to be another contentious issue. New York City was a major destination for women seeking abortions in the early 1970's, and before that, countries where it was easier to get abortion, countries like Mexico, Canada, Britain, Sweden, and Japan. Also a US territory, Puerto Rico.

Checking on  Timeline of reproductive rights legislation, I find
  • Sweden: 1938 "legalized on a limited basis"
  • Japan: 1948 "expanded the circumstances in which abortion is allowed"
  • UK: 1967 "legalized ... under certain grounds"
  • Canada: 1969 legalized "for selective reasons"
Abortion was illegal in Mexico, but the law was not enforced very much.

In Win For Abortion Providers, Texas State Court Grants Restraining Order Against Texas Right To Life – YubaNet
Today, the District Court for Travis County granted a temporary restraining order against Texas Right to Life and its associates, stopping them from suing abortion providers and health care workers at Planned Parenthood health centers in Texas under the newly in-effect “sue thy neighbor” abortion ban, S.B. 8. The U.S. Supreme Court allowed the law, which bans abortion after six weeks of pregnancy, to go into effect on Wednesday. Millions of Texans are now without access to abortion, and providers and support networks are vulnerable to malicious lawsuits.
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noting
TRO.pdf - 20210902_temporary_restraining_order_granted.pdf


Nina Turner on Twitter: "Abortion is healthcare." / Twitter
then
Amy Vilela for Congress on Twitter: "Abortion is healthcare." / Twitter
 
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