Roe v Wade is on deck

[Jarhyn]

This is beyond fucked.

This appeal arises from an order denying a pregnant minor’s request to bypass parental notice of and consent for the termination of her pregnancy under the process set forth in section 390.01114, Florida Statutes.

So basically, this 17 year old was denied to have an abortion because she wasn't mature enough to make the decision herself. Fucking Florida logic.

Many judges categorically deny minors requesting abortions. This is no surprise.

"Unsurprising" does not speak to whether it is logical or correct.

Patooka is discussing an "ought" and you are discussing an "is".

You will speak past each other until Patooka starts caring about IS Loren starts discussing OUGHT.

While I am unsurprised, it should be be no surprise that I am still going to reject the travesty of justice happening when judges so categorically deny abortions.

It's unsurprising when in war, the enemy soldiers are firing at you. You still fire back.

 

[Toni]

This is beyond fucked.

This appeal arises from an order denying a pregnant minor’s request to bypass parental notice of and consent for the termination of her pregnancy under the process set forth in section 390.01114, Florida Statutes.

So basically, this 17 year old was denied to have an abortion because she wasn't mature enough to make the decision herself. Fucking Florida logic.

Many judges categorically deny minors requesting abortions. This is no surprise.

Maybe not to you but imagine being a parent less pregnant teenager who is told she must carry to term a pregnancy although she herself is not physically, mentally or emotionally mature enough to deal with pregnancy and childbirth, much less making good decisions about the resulting child because you have no parents to advise you.

This probably is surprising to a teen who must navigate life on her own to be told she isn’t mature enough to make the decision most likely to allow her to pursue a future where she can be a self supporting adult with at least a high school diploma, perhaps a path to university or community college and in any case, life as a fully functioning adult.

But then again, it is entirely possible that she’s sufficiently aware of how the system’s failures have placed her in such an untenable position to be completely unsurprised.

 

[blastula]

A Republican reconsidering banning abortion (SC already has a "hearbeat" ban he voted for, they are now considering a stricter ban).

South Carolina considers near total abortion ban, no rape or incest exceptions

A small group of South Carolina lawmakers have given their approval to a near total abortion ban that does not include exceptions for pregnancies' caused by rape or incest.

www.pbs.org

I wonder if that sentiment has anything do with this weird polling swing to Dems from fathers.

Fox News Poll Shows GOP and Dems Tied Going into November, Dads Swung 28 Points to Democrats Since May

Women, in general, supported Republicans 43 to 42 percent in May, which flipped to 45 percent to 39 percent in August, a 7-point swing for Dems

www.mediaite.com

In May, Republicans led Democrats among Dads by a whopping 53 to 33 percent margin. In August, Dads shifted to supporting Democrats for Congress 44 to 36 percent – 20 percent were either “other” or “undecided.”

 

[Loren Pechtel]

This is beyond fucked.

This appeal arises from an order denying a pregnant minor’s request to bypass parental notice of and consent for the termination of her pregnancy under the process set forth in section 390.01114, Florida Statutes.

So basically, this 17 year old was denied to have an abortion because she wasn't mature enough to make the decision herself. Fucking Florida logic.

Many judges categorically deny minors requesting abortions. This is no surprise.

"Unsurprising" does not speak to whether it is logical or correct.

Patooka is discussing an "ought" and you are discussing an "is".

You will speak past each other until Patooka starts caring about IS Loren starts discussing OUGHT.

While I am unsurprised, it should be be no surprise that I am still going to reject the travesty of justice happening when judges so categorically deny abortions.

It's unsurprising when in war, the enemy soldiers are firing at you. You still fire back.

I agree it's wrong, I'm just saying this isn't something new. It's unrelated to Dobbs.

 

[Patooka]

I agree it's wrong, I'm just saying this isn't something new. It's unrelated to Dobbs.

I doubt completely unrelated. The decision must have emboldened pro-life activist judges. I certainly suspect an uptick of such decisions compared to this time last year. Whether it is a significant uptick I couldn't say, but I'd bet yes.

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

The recount in Kansas is now over. Difference betwenn the overwhelming vote and the recount? 54 votes!

 

[ZiprHead]

Kansas recount confirms results in favor of abortion rights

OLATHE, Kan. (AP) — A decisive statewide vote in favor of abortion rights in traditionally conservative Kansas was confirmed with a partial hand recount, with fewer than 100 votes changing after the last county reported results Sunday.

apnews.com

Gietzen said he plans to file a lawsuit Monday seeking a full statewide recount.

Gietzen said he won’t publicly report the names of private donors helping him finance the recount, even though a state ethics official says it’s required. Gietzen, who leads a small GOP group, the Kansas Republican Assembly, argues that he’s not campaigning for the anti-abortion measure but is instead promoting election integrity.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

The recount in Kansas is now over. Difference betwenn the overwhelming vote and the recount? 54 votes!

There was a recount? Lost 3 to 2... and there was a recount?!

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

Yes, a recount. The supporters of that recount had to pay good money for it. That wasted money could have bought a lot of good whiskey.

 

[lpetrich]

(Republicans losing the NY-19 special election...)
Ryan Grim on Twitter: "This has to be a scary stat for House Republicans. ..." / Twitter

This has to be a scary stat for House Republicans. There’s a reason the “pro-life” agenda has never been an electoral play for Republicans in swing districts, and why judicial nominees lied about their respect for Roe.

Now that they’re forced to be honest about their position — go home with your ectopic pregnancy and deliver a still birth in a few months and hope you get to the hospital before you die — it’s not so easy for them

The next retreat: the policy we want is not actually the law yet in the entire country, just everywhere we have power! This backpedaling shows the utter bankruptcy of their position

Taniel on Twitter: "RESULT: Do you remember Jared Smith ..." / Twitter

RESULT: Do you remember Jared Smith, the Florida judge in Hillsbourgh County (Tampa) who tried to block a teenager from accessing abortion because her grades were too low? (https://jezebel.com/florida-judge-tried-to-deny-teen-abortion-over-her-gpa-1848419163)

He was ousted tonight. He trails 52% to 48% with mail + all precincts reporting.

The race is nonpartisan, but here's just one indication that Democratic voters supported his opponent Nancy Jacobs: Jacobs won the mail-in vote very solidly, and Smith won the Election Day vote very solidly.

Here’s a second, related result.

And remember to check out this ir @boltsmag cheat sheet for all your election nights needs (and follow @boltsmag to boot!): https://boltsmag.org/whats-on-the-b

RESULT: James Bush (Florida's only Dem lawmaker who voted for the 15-week abortion ban & for the 'Don't Say Gay' bill) has LOST his re-election bid.

With mail ballots & 99% of precincts reporting, Bush trails by 3% against challenger Ashley Gantt.

Noting
Judge Tries to Deny Teen Abortion Over Her GPA

When a 17-year-old girl in Florida, called “Jane Doe,” sought judicial bypass to have an abortion without the involvement of her parents, as state law requires, the judge presiding over her case deemed her GPA too low. The judge denied Doe the legal permission to have an abortion without her parents’ knowledge, presumably because having poor grades means a teenager should definitely be required to become a parent.

Hillsborough County Circuit Court Judge Jared E. Smith took particular issue with Doe testifying that she had a “B” average, despite records showing a lower GPA, and wrote in his decision that her “testimony evinces either a lack of intelligence or credibility, either of which weigh against a finding of maturity pursuant to the statute.” A district court later overruled that decision by a 2-1 margin, noting that Doe’s GPA “demonstrate[d] average intelligence for a high school student”—as if grades, academic achievement, or really any factor, let alone one so arbitrary, should dictate a minor’s human rights.

 

[lpetrich]

White coats in the state capital: OB-GYNs become political force in abortion wars - POLITICO

Red state lawmakers rushing to pass new abortion restrictions are being stymied by an unexpected political force — OB-GYNs.

These physicians — many of whom have never before mobilized politically — are banding together in the wake of the Supreme Court overturning Roe v. Wade, lobbying state lawmakers, testifying before committees, forming PACs, and launching online campaigns against proposed abortion restrictions. Legislators who are themselves physicians are using their medical backgrounds to persuade colleagues to scale back some of the more restrictive and punitive portions of anti-abortion laws being considered.

In Nebraska, OB-GYNs’ advocacy scuttled attempts to pass abortion restrictions in a summer special session, and the Republican-controlled legislature has punted the issue until early next year.

In West Virginia and Indiana, doctors secured smaller wins, stripping provisions out of bills that would have imposed harsher criminal penalties on physicians and patients, and ensuring exemptions for cases of rape, incest and threats to the health of the pregnant person.

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As lawmakers debate how much to restrict the procedure — including in South Carolina, where the House later this month is expected to take up a bill banning abortion in all cases except to prevent death or serious bodily impairment — doctors are becoming increasingly vocal. They argue the laws will have devastating consequences, drive physicians out of the state, worsen existing OB-GYN shortages and strain the medical system.

Though some ob-gyns are anti-abortion, they are outnumbered by abortion-defender ob-gyns.

 

[blastula]

Yep.

 

[ZiprHead]

Texas Right to Life political director arrested for 'soliciting a minor' onlinehttps://www.rawstory.com/texas-right-to-life-luke-bowen/

The former political director for the anti-abortion advocacy group Texas Right to Life has been charged with soliciting a minor online, The Courier reports.

Luke Bowen was caught in a sting carried out by Montgomery County Internet Crime Against Children. He faces a second-degree felony, which carried a two- to 20-year sentence and a fine of up to $10,000. He was released on $50,000 bond.

“This investigation revolves around a fictitious alleged minor created by law enforcement and posted on the Internet.
Quote:
Texas Right to Life told The Courier that Bowen was terminated from his position on Aug. 3, the same day he was charged, although details surrounding his termination were not provided.

"Texas Right to Life is arguably the most influential anti-abortion group in the state," wrote feminist activist Jessica Valenti in response to the news, "in addition to lobbying (and spending millions doing so), the organization also endorses extremist candidates and raises money for them. The organization’s biggest donor is billionaire Farris Wilks, responsible for bankrolling the state’s far-right shift."

 

[Jarhyn]

Texas Right to Life political director arrested for 'soliciting a minor' onlinehttps://www.rawstory.com/texas-right-to-life-luke-bowen/

The former political director for the anti-abortion advocacy group Texas Right to Life has been charged with soliciting a minor online, The Courier reports.

Luke Bowen was caught in a sting carried out by Montgomery County Internet Crime Against Children. He faces a second-degree felony, which carried a two- to 20-year sentence and a fine of up to $10,000. He was released on $50,000 bond.

“This investigation revolves around a fictitious alleged minor created by law enforcement and posted on the Internet.
Quote:
Texas Right to Life told The Courier that Bowen was terminated from his position on Aug. 3, the same day he was charged, although details surrounding his termination were not provided.

"Texas Right to Life is arguably the most influential anti-abortion group in the state," wrote feminist activist Jessica Valenti in response to the news, "in addition to lobbying (and spending millions doing so), the organization also endorses extremist candidates and raises money for them. The organization’s biggest donor is billionaire Farris Wilks, responsible for bankrolling the state’s far-right shift."

Buh... Buh... Hillary! Pizzas! AdReNoChRoMe!1!1!1

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The recount in Kansas is now over. Difference betwenn the overwhelming vote and the recount? 54 votes!

There was a recount? Lost 3 to 2... and there was a recount?!

What I want to know is how much of the money raised was diverted...

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

In Texas... the law is what you make it?

Brandy Bottone, a 32-year-old Plano resident, became an unlikely focal point of the nation's post-Roe debate after she was pulled over in a carpool lane on June 29.

A sheriff's deputy cited her for driving alone in an high occupancy vehicle lane that requires drivers to have at least one other person in the car — and Bottone claimed that one other person was the unborn child in her womb.

...

Her argument was apparently good enough to win a dismissal. It wasn't immediately clear if that second ticket, picked up on Aug. 3, would also be kicked.

Firstly, HOV requires just two people in a car? Secondly, HOV is meant for reducing traffic, the fetus ain't driving anywhere. If she had a child with her, also... ticketable.

Third, likely had the first one tossed because she is pregnant. I have doubt it'll happen again. She alleges that the Dobbs case said SCOTUS ruled the fetus is a person... which umm... it didn't.

 

[bilby]

In Texas... the law is what you make it?

Brandy Bottone, a 32-year-old Plano resident, became an unlikely focal point of the nation's post-Roe debate after she was pulled over in a carpool lane on June 29.

A sheriff's deputy cited her for driving alone in an high occupancy vehicle lane that requires drivers to have at least one other person in the car — and Bottone claimed that one other person was the unborn child in her womb.

...

Her argument was apparently good enough to win a dismissal. It wasn't immediately clear if that second ticket, picked up on Aug. 3, would also be kicked.

Firstly, HOV requires just two people in a car? Secondly, HOV is meant for reducing traffic, the fetus ain't driving anywhere. If she had a child with her, also... ticketable.

Third, likely had the first one tossed because she is pregnant. I have doubt it'll happen again. She alleges that the Dobbs case said SCOTUS ruled the fetus is a person... which umm... it didn't.

We have both T2 and T3 lanes here; Children count, but they need to be occupying their own seat, and if 7 years old or less, be in an approved and correctly fitted child seat suitable for their size. That might just be a simple booster cushion for a 7yo, but for under 4s it implies a baby capsule. Restraints must comply with AS/NZS 1754, and no uterus has yet been awarded compliance status under that standard.

Pregnant women are not allowed to use a T2 lane unless there's someone occupying a seat other than the driver's seat.

Transit Lanes are clearly signed, and typically also marked on the road surface, eg:

T3
7-9
M-F

 

[lpetrich]

Opinion | The Anti-Abortion Movement Is Gunning for Fetal Personhood - The New York Times - "Opinion" - "Guest Essay" - "By Mary Ziegler" - 'Ms. Ziegler is the author of “Dollars for Life: The Anti-Abortion Movement and the Fall of the Republican Establishment.”'

Two months after the fall of Roe v. Wade, abortion has been banned or severely restricted in at least 14 states, energizing leaders of the anti-abortion movement but also activating voters who are opposed to many of these measures. With so much at stake in the next few election cycles — and women’s lives hanging in the balance — both sides of this fight are strategizing their next moves.

For the anti-abortion movement, the emerging plan is an all-out fight for fetal personhood.

Presumably all the way back to fertlization, when the sperm enters the egg and their genomes fuse.

That would mean a complete ban of abortion, and prosecution of abortion as murder or murder for hire. Miscarriages could be prosecuted as negligent homicide.

What’s striking about this post-Roe push is the speed with which even moderate anti-abortion actors have embraced a punitive interpretation of fetal personhood, despite clear political headwinds. Even if this fight for fetal personhood doesn’t result in a full nationwide abortion ban, it could lead to personhood becoming more accepted at the state level and in the courts, pitting the interests of fetuses and women against each other and diminishing legal equality for women.

...
Americans United for Life, long viewed as one of the movement’s more pragmatic organizations, is pushing a federal fetal personhood strategy, too.

 

[lpetrich]

It’s important to prepare for the possibility that these proposals will continue to flourish, in part by understanding the history of the fetal personhood movement. Personhood has appealed to a divided anti-abortion movement for over 50 years.

For those sympathetic to the civil-rights and feminist movements, fetal personhood seems like a similar sort of cause. For conservatives skeptical of those movements, an abortion represents suffering much worse than what any blacks or women have had to go through.

Though anti-abortionists have long supported a "Human Life Amendment" to the US Constitution, it has not gone very far.

After a distinctly punitive vision of personhood took precedence in the 1980s — forged when the anti-abortion movement aligned with a Republican Party focused on a tough-on-crime agenda — it became clear that federal fetal personhood legislation banning abortion was not going to succeed anytime soon.

...
The late 2000s and early 2010s saw a handful of state constitutional fetal personhood amendments, but leading anti-abortion groups generally did not support them, worrying that the Supreme Court would not uphold them, and one by one they went down in defeat, even in deeply conservative Mississippi. To many, that made it seem that there was a split within the anti-abortion movement, with a mainstream group focused on ending Roe v. Wade and an extremist fetal personhood movement that wanted to go much further.

But any anti-abortion disagreement around prior personhood efforts has turned on strategy.

...
It’s unclear how the fight for personhood will end. Some conservative states may not want to wade into the complexities of recognizing and enforcing personhood laws. A federal law banning abortion would likely require abolishing the filibuster and could be repealed when Democrats are in power again.

And the political price of personhood may just be too high.

Then the recent defeat of an anti-abortion state constitutional amendment in Kansas.

But given the erosion of democratic norms in the United States, the lack of support for personhood may not matter as much as it ought to. In many states where the public doesn’t support abortion bans, negative partisanship — the deep antipathy people feel for the opposing political party — means that many voters may not punish Republicans even for policies they don’t agree with. Gerrymandering and burdens on the vote make it harder for those who oppose sweeping abortion bans to make themselves heard. A Republican president could lose the popular vote and impose some elements of personhood through executive order. And the Supreme Court may recognize personhood sometime down the road, no matter what voters think.

Seems like a recipe for continued strife.

 

[Gospel]

Republicans running for election: