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Rush Limbaugh Argues For Secession: 'There Cannot Be A Peaceful Coexistence'

I see that "we" all over the place (I'm right on Lake Erie, and I know it's worse as you go south from here.)

Trust me, I get it. Southern Indiana here, seriously Trumpish.
My boss has that crap playing on her computer nearly all the time.

Yuck!

Tom
 
Why are any of you taking anything that the idiot Rush says seriously? There aren't any totally blue or red states. My sister who lives in NJ, is always claiming that her state is blue, but then how do you explain that Chris Christie was once the governor of NJ? Some might think Georgia until this election was red, but we've had many outstanding Black liberal Congress people here. We used to have a few white ones too, and hopefully that will happen again. The plain and simple fact is that all states are purple with some variance regarding how much blue and how much red exist.

Even California has some red counties, if what I've heard about Orange country is true, and Georgia has Fulton and Dekalb, which are about as blue as one can get politically. I've known a few wonderful liberals from Alabama, including a former patient of mine who helped integrate the unions back in the day. And New York has plenty of red areas, including Staten Island, as well as many rural areas in upstate NY. I could go on but I think you all are smart enough to realize that the division is mostly between rural and urban areas, but even those places have lots of exceptions. Our friend Jobar, who needs to come back here if he ever gets internet connection again, lives in a very conservative area, yet he's a liberal atheist. My sister has Trump supporters on her block in suburban NJ. It's crazy to think that each state is made up of one specific type of people. But, obviously assholes like Rush can push the emotional buttons of even the most rational people who should know better. :p

Maybe we should try and figure out how the urban, suburban, exurban and rural areas because so divided and then work from there. :)
 
Why are any of you taking anything that the idiot Rush says seriously?
A knew plenty of people growing up who treated Rush Limbaugh as their primary source of news and opinions. He's not a safe person to ignore.

Even California has some red counties
Most of them, it's only the large urban regions that swing blue. Like all the states. I grew up in a big flat extension of the Bible Belt.

I don't think being in a "Red State" or a "Blue State" is a good predictor of what individuals in that state believe, but it does strongly affect what happens in their state legislature, who represents them as a state in legal situations, how they are represented in Congress, what forms of government assistance they accept, whether there is a functional school system, what how they respond to pandemic outbreaks, and many other things.

Maybe we should try and figure out how the urban, suburban, exurban and rural areas because so divided and then work from there. :)
Racism, usually.
 
A knew plenty of people growing up who treated Rush Limbaugh as their primary source of news and opinions. He's not a safe person to ignore.

Most of them, it's only the large urban regions that swing blue. Like all the states. I grew up in a big flat extension of the Bible Belt.

I don't think being in a "Red State" or a "Blue State" is a good predictor of what individuals in that state believe, but it does strongly affect what happens in their state legislature, who represents them as a state in legal situations, how they are represented in Congress, what forms of government assistance they accept, whether there is a functional school system, what how they respond to pandemic outbreaks, and many other things.

Maybe we should try and figure out how the urban, suburban, exurban and rural areas because so divided and then work from there. :)
Racism, usually.


Btw, Rush said today that he wasn't serious about succession. He was just repeating what others were saying. That was in WaPo and the posters comments were pretty nasty, in that most of them were wishing Rush would die soon. Not saying I don't wish he'd go away, but those comments did seem a bit too much like what Rush fans might say about liberals.

I worked with a woman in Florida back in the 90s, who had her entire cubicle full of Rush posters. She told me that as soon as her husband retired from the military late in the year they were moving to Chapel Hill, NC. I laughed my ass off. I worked in Ft. Walton Beach, which was mostly made up of conservative members of the military. I asked the worker if she knew anything about Chapel Hill. Then I told her that it was an extremely liberal area so she would get to see what it was like being in the minority. Back then, at least most of us got along well despite these very different viewpoints. So, Poli, I get what you're saying, but things have gotten so much worse since then, and when I said what I did, I wasn't thinking of the Rush nuts. I was thinking of those of us who post here and asking why we were taking anything that Rush said so seriously? Sorry you seemed to misunderstand.

Racism is part of the reason for the rural/urban split but I tend to think it's more complicated than that. I think religion has more to do with it. Imo, the northeast is far more racist and segregated than Georgia, yet the rural areas in Georgia remain quite conservative, but extremely religious. For example, Jobar's brother, who is very religious voted for Trump. He is not the least bit racist imo. ( Jobar gave me permission to mention this ) Jobar was very upset with his brother as they have always been very close and his brother has said that he despises Trump. Jobar asked him why he voted for Trump. He said he was scared that Biden would be manipulated by socialists. :rolleyes: This is not at all unsusal here. People have fallen for the socialist nonsense that comes from the right. That is why the Republicans are trying to paint Warnock and Ossoff with the socialist brush. I don't know Warnock's exact positions, but I've read Ossoff and they are pretty much in line with Biden, hardly socialist. Racism may be one factor when it comes to the urban/rural split, but as one who lives in a suburban area inside the city limit of a small Black majority city which is at the edge of some very rural areas, I strongly believe that religious extremism has a lot more to do with this than racism does. It's complicated, just like most things are when it comes to humans.
 
Racism is part of the reason for the rural/urban split but I tend to think it's more complicated than that. I think religion has more to do with it. Imo, the northeast is far more racist and segregated than Georgia, yet the rural areas in Georgia remain quite conservative, but extremely religious. For example, Jobar's brother, who is very religious voted for Trump. He is not the least bit racist imo. ( Jobar gave me permission to mention this ) Jobar was very upset with his brother as they have always been very close and his brother has said that he despises Trump. Jobar asked him why he voted for Trump. He said he was scared that Biden would be manipulated by socialists. :rolleyes: This is not at all unsusal here. People have fallen for the socialist nonsense that comes from the right. That is why the Republicans are trying to paint Warnock and Ossoff with the socialist brush. I don't know Warnock's exact positions, but I've read Ossoff and they are pretty much in line with Biden, hardly socialist. Racism may be one factor when it comes to the urban/rural split, but as one who lives in a suburban area inside the city limit of a small Black majority city which is at the edge of some very rural areas, I strongly believe that religious extremism has a lot more to do with this than racism does. It's complicated, just like most things are when it comes to humans.
I meant that racial segregation had been the primary driver of political divisions between distressed inner cities and redlined suburbs, and was the driving factor in turning rural America more Republican than it would otherwise be. Both White and non-White Americans tend to be fairly religious. I agree that the Northeast has been a historical hub of that sort of behavior.
 
And So It Begins

Texas lawmaker to file bill calling for vote on secession from US

A Texas state lawmaker has vowed to introduce legislation allowing a referendum for voters to cast their ballots on whether to secede from the United States.

“The federal government is out of control and does not represent the values of Texans. That is why I am committing to file legislation this session that will allow a referendum to give Texans a vote for the State of Texas to reassert its status as an independent nation,” Texas state Rep. Kyle Biedermann (R) shared on Facebook on Tuesday.

Biedermann said the legislation aligns with the Texas Constitution, which reads “The faith of the people of Texas stands pledged to the preservation of a republican form of government, and, subject to this limitation only, they have at all times the inalienable right to alter, reform or abolish their government in such manner as they may think expedient.”
 
Wonder if thine lord and one and only savior Donald Trump would favor a secession, and how that would influence GOP'ers. Could that party have a new civil war, within the new civil war?
 
but one side of it is mostly geriatric, denies the validity of higher education and any technology they don't understand,

They don't deny education and technology. What they don't like is that every higher education learning center seems to involve liberal indoctrination. And they are right.
 
but one side of it is mostly geriatric, denies the validity of higher education and any technology they don't understand,

They don't deny education and technology. What they don't like is that every higher education learning center seems to involve liberal indoctrination. And they are right.

Did you get this from the right-wing sites you normally peruse without questioning?
 
but one side of it is mostly geriatric, denies the validity of higher education and any technology they don't understand,

They don't deny education and technology. What they don't like is that every higher education learning center seems to involve liberal indoctrination. And they are right.

:rofl:

I'm curious as to how you would know that. The world is so full if misinformation that it's impossible to tell what's true or false, right? So what's your method of determining what's true? I mean, besides just believing whatever appeals to your prejudices and/or comes out of the mouth of some authority figure.

Anyway, facts and reality, as well as decency and humane principles and many other things that are antithesis to right wing fear and tribalism, tend to lean heavily to the left. ;)
 
The world is so full if misinformation that it's impossible to tell what's true or false, right? ;)
Logic. The logic that most universities enrollments favor women over men now. That did not happen by accident, the men are figuring out the degree is simply not worth the liability of a fake rape charge.

Rush Limbaugh and/or others are not always right. But they are right about this.

No, they're not. They're tribalistic morons who couldn't work up empathy for women to save their gross, immature asses. They are fine with thousands or even millions of women and girls being raped and brutalized and oh, that's just so awful, smh, but one guy gets falsely accused and their fragile little world falls to pieces. Get some fucking perspective. And some humanity, while you're at it.

And, again, how the hell would you know what's true and what's not? What's your method besides grasping for whatever hijacks your prejudices or is uttered by whatever authoritative jackass mouthpiece you listen to?

You have yet to answer that. All you've said about that so far is that the world is too full of misinformation to know for sure what's true.
 
Racism is part of the reason for the rural/urban split but I tend to think it's more complicated than that. I think religion has more to do with it. Imo, the northeast is far more racist and segregated than Georgia, yet the rural areas in Georgia remain quite conservative, but extremely religious. For example, Jobar's brother, who is very religious voted for Trump. He is not the least bit racist imo. ( Jobar gave me permission to mention this ) Jobar was very upset with his brother as they have always been very close and his brother has said that he despises Trump. Jobar asked him why he voted for Trump. He said he was scared that Biden would be manipulated by socialists. :rolleyes: This is not at all unsusal here. People have fallen for the socialist nonsense that comes from the right. That is why the Republicans are trying to paint Warnock and Ossoff with the socialist brush. I don't know Warnock's exact positions, but I've read Ossoff and they are pretty much in line with Biden, hardly socialist. Racism may be one factor when it comes to the urban/rural split, but as one who lives in a suburban area inside the city limit of a small Black majority city which is at the edge of some very rural areas, I strongly believe that religious extremism has a lot more to do with this than racism does. It's complicated, just like most things are when it comes to humans.
I meant that racial segregation had been the primary driver of political divisions between distressed inner cities and redlined suburbs, and was the driving factor in turning rural America more Republican than it would otherwise be. Both White and non-White Americans tend to be fairly religious. I agree that the Northeast has been a historical hub of that sort of behavior.

Yes. All of my local Black friends are very religious, but they don't mix their religious beliefs with their political beliefs. My closest Black friend has no problem with me being an atheist. That is very different from the type of reaction that I usually get from White evangelicals. I wasn't talking about those who have moderate religious beliefs. They aren't the problem. The problem is that in the rural areas of the South, there is a lot of religious extremism. These folks seem to think that allowing same sex marriage, giving women reproductive rights, forbidding discrimination in regards to trans folks etc. is an attack on them. That is a bigger problem, at least where I live, compared to racism. Those beliefs come directly from their religious beliefs. Sure, there are some Black evangelicals who are just as extreme, but for the most part, they seem to respect the SCS.

As I've already mentioned, these same people are scared of the word socialism, which imo, is why the two Republicans are using that word in most of their attacks against the two Democrats. I guess they equate socialism with some scary attack by the godless on their religion, despite the fact that a lot of the words attributed to Jesus seem pretty similar to socialism. The problem is that there are a lot of people who are simply clueless. You probably already know that. :D

Btw, our neighborhoods here are far more racially integrated than any place I've ever lived. Socioeconomic segregation is still a problem, but even that is not as bad as it is in the northeast.
 
Racism is part of the reason for the rural/urban split but I tend to think it's more complicated than that. I think religion has more to do with it. Imo, the northeast is far more racist and segregated than Georgia, yet the rural areas in Georgia remain quite conservative, but extremely religious. For example, Jobar's brother, who is very religious voted for Trump. He is not the least bit racist imo. ( Jobar gave me permission to mention this ) Jobar was very upset with his brother as they have always been very close and his brother has said that he despises Trump. Jobar asked him why he voted for Trump. He said he was scared that Biden would be manipulated by socialists. :rolleyes: This is not at all unsusal here. People have fallen for the socialist nonsense that comes from the right. That is why the Republicans are trying to paint Warnock and Ossoff with the socialist brush. I don't know Warnock's exact positions, but I've read Ossoff and they are pretty much in line with Biden, hardly socialist. Racism may be one factor when it comes to the urban/rural split, but as one who lives in a suburban area inside the city limit of a small Black majority city which is at the edge of some very rural areas, I strongly believe that religious extremism has a lot more to do with this than racism does. It's complicated, just like most things are when it comes to humans.
I meant that racial segregation had been the primary driver of political divisions between distressed inner cities and redlined suburbs, and was the driving factor in turning rural America more Republican than it would otherwise be. Both White and non-White Americans tend to be fairly religious. I agree that the Northeast has been a historical hub of that sort of behavior.

Yes. All of my local Black friends are very religious, but they don't mix their religious beliefs with their political beliefs. My closest Black friend has no problem with me being an atheist. That is very different from the type of reaction that I usually get from White evangelicals. I wasn't talking about those who have moderate religious beliefs. They aren't the problem. The problem is that in the rural areas of the South, there is a lot of religious extremism. These folks seem to think that allowing same sex marriage, giving women reproductive rights, forbidding discrimination in regards to trans folks etc. is an attack on them. That is a bigger problem, at least where I live, compared to racism. Those beliefs come directly from their religious beliefs. Sure, there are some Black evangelicals who are just as extreme, but for the most part, they seem to respect the SCS.

As I've already mentioned, these same people are scared of the word socialism, which imo, is why the two Republicans are using that word in most of their attacks against the two Democrats. I guess they equate socialism with some scary attack by the godless on their religion, despite the fact that a lot of the words attributed to Jesus seem pretty similar to socialism. The problem is that there are a lot of people who are simply clueless. You probably already know that. :D

Btw, our neighborhoods here are far more racially integrated than any place I've ever lived. Socioeconomic segregation is still a problem, but even that is not as bad as it is in the northeast.

I like that you have such pride of place, southernhybrid! I will say this: you're right never to give in to common regional stereotypes. I keep mentioning my own conservative roots, but you know, even in my home county the Republicans have lost a phenomenal amount of ground, in part because large portions of its population are Hispanic, and though willing to go with the Republicans on social/religious issues, many found the recent rise of implied or overt white nationalist policies to big a pill to swallow. There was also the scaremongering about fraud. I think in the last election, a lot of people just refused to mail in a ballot, handing the county to the Democratic presidential candidate for what is now both the second time in a row and the third time in four decades!
 
I'm curious as to how you would know that. The world is so full if misinformation that it's impossible to tell what's true or false, right? So what's your method of determining what's true? I mean, besides just believing whatever appeals to your prejudices and/or comes out of the mouth of some authority figure.

I'm glad you're pushing this theme. This is a major source of teeth-grinding for me, and one of Trump's most toxic legacies. It's almost always righties who trumpet this nonsense. Starting in the 60s, they had major tantrums over unfair, biased, liberal media -- nowadays they swear by the most absurdly obvious partisan "news" source ever, Fox. And talk about comic payoff: to assert that everything you hear is lies and political con games and then elevate to hero status the great orange liar of the age. To not detect the ugly, destructive lie behind 'Stop the Steal.' It really drives me crazy to hear college-educated folks going this route, but then, even a good high school education should have covered propaganda and political speech. And the absolute lack of irony in doubting traditional news sources and then picking up on whatever crazed rumor strokes one's ego from the witches' cauldron of social media.
 
What the hell does this massive derail have to do with the OP???
 
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