RussiaGate

[Elixir]

No. As i pointed out, we find people that ALREADY hate Russia. They're all over the place. With them in power, the rest of the people are free to express the feelings they already have. It's very cheap EXACTLY because we don't have to brainwash anyone, just give them control of the microphones.

It's democrat's fault trumpers exist, right?

To a large degree, yes.
Or did you think you had a 'gotcha' there?

I wouldn't say trumpers are their fault, so much as trumpers are an unintended consequence of dems neglecting to stamp out white supremacy when they had a chance. IIRC, dems were called "Republicans" back in those days.

 

[barbos]

No. As i pointed out, we find people that ALREADY hate Russia. They're all over the place. With them in power, the rest of the people are free to express the feelings they already have. It's very cheap EXACTLY because we don't have to brainwash anyone, just give them control of the microphones.

It's democrat's fault trumpers exist, right?

To a large degree, yes.
Or did you think you had a 'gotcha' there?

It does not compute. If trumpers are the result of a mistakes on the part of the democrats then so are people who hate Russia. The undeniable fact is, US actively seeks out and help parties who are anti-russian. That's what the damn russia-haters admit. Yes, georgians admitted exactly that.

 

[Keith&Co.]

No. As i pointed out, we find people that ALREADY hate Russia. They're all over the place. With them in power, the rest of the people are free to express the feelings they already have. It's very cheap EXACTLY because we don't have to brainwash anyone, just give them control of the microphones.

It's democrat's fault trumpers exist, right?

To a large degree, yes.
Or did you think you had a 'gotcha' there?

It does not compute. If trumpers are result of of a mistakes then so are people who hate Russia.

i never said mistake.
And democrats are not the sole reason for the trumpers. I am saying some choices made by Democrats in power contributed to the trumpists' receptivity to the message of manipulators.

Some things Russia chose to do led directly to people in neighboring countries hating them, and being open to alternatives when offered.

Just like choices Trump made led to him needing loans from a country that wanted him as an asset.

 

[barbos]

It does not compute. If trumpers are result of of a mistakes then so are people who hate Russia.

i never said mistake.
And democrats are not the sole reason for the trumpers. I am saying some choices made by Democrats in power contributed to the trumpists' receptivity to the message of manipulators.

Some things Russia chose to do led directly to people in neighboring countries hating them, and being open to alternatives when offered.

That's not the fucking point here. They all hate each other for things they did or did not.
The point here is that US state department vets all their prospective partners on the basis of their hate of Russia.

 

[Keith&Co.]

That's not the fucking point here. They all hate each other for things they did or did not.
The point here is that US state department vets all their prospective partners on the basis of their hate of Russia.

So, the fucking point here is that you've turned completely around from 'US creates the hatred' to 'US uses hate that already exists.'
But it's still not Russia's fault....

 

[barbos]

That's not the fucking point here. They all hate each other for things they did or did not.
The point here is that US state department vets all their prospective partners on the basis of their hate of Russia.

So, the fucking point here is that you've turned completely around from 'US creates the hatred' to 'US uses hate that already exists.'
But it's still not Russia's fault....

Turned completely around? 4 degrees turn max.
You do realize that there are people in every country which hate people in every other country?
I mean Baltic States hate each other too. It's just they have one thing which unites them - hatred of Russia. Without Russia they would been at each other throat. Same with Poland and Ukraine. Actually they kinda hate each other more than Russia anyway. French and Germans, yeah, they love each other so much that french asked (secretly) Gorvachev not to leave East Germany.

And yes, US actively works on amplifying AND creating hate against Russia. That has been your M.O. all along.

 

[Keith&Co.]

That's not the fucking point here. They all hate each other for things they did or did not.
The point here is that US state department vets all their prospective partners on the basis of their hate of Russia.

So, the fucking point here is that you've turned completely around from 'US creates the hatred' to 'US uses hate that already exists.'
But it's still not Russia's fault....

Turned completely around? 4 degrees turn max.

Nope. Scroll back. Your initial claim was that people hated Russia ONLY after we paid them to.
Now you're on a kick about hate being there, to start with, but not anything Russia is guilty of.

You did an about face.

 

[barbos]

Turned completely around? 4 degrees turn max.

Nope. Scroll back. Your initial claim was that people hated Russia ONLY after we paid them to.
Now you're on a kick about hate being there, to start with, but not anything Russia is guilty of.

You did an about face.

Technically yes. if you pay enough you would get some people to respond "Need people to hate people of ....."

I mean you did get Bulgaria to hate Russia. Bulgaria is a country which was liberated (an really created) from Turks by Russia.
Same with fucking Georgia. They were fine with Russian protection from Turkey, they were fine when their guy (Joseph Stalin) was litrerally fucking whole Soviet Union (Stalin is still a national hero there), they were fine when He gave them Abhazia. they were fine with dissolving Soviet Union, then not fine with returning things they got from their guy in Moscow, then you came along and told them "it's Russia's fault, here, take some money"

So it's 4 degrees turn.

And by the way, more about Georgia, Their big friend was McCain, and his hate of Russia is well known, it's very personal for him. He was absolutely wrong guy for the job.

US M.O. is literally to run around and look for a guy who hates Russia the most and make him a president.That's what a right hand woman of Saakashvili himself said.

 

[Shadowy Man]

US M.O. is literally to run around and look for the guy who hates Russia the most and make him a president.That's what a right hand woman of Saakashvili himself said.

Except in their own country it would seem.

 

[barbos]

US M.O. is literally to run around and look for the guy who hates Russia the most and make him a president.That's what a right hand woman of Saakashvili himself said.

Except in their own country it would seem.

Yeah, you seem to disagree with that exception. But seriously, US presidents usually have very little input when it comes to Russia. Unless it's some kind of Cuban missile crisis and he says "OK, you little bastards, you went too far this time, no more Russia for you until the next POTUS"

But that's really what She said.

 

[Keith&Co.]

You did an about face.

Technically yes.

Dude, your only constant is that Russia is blameless.
Either they did nothing wrong, or the wrong they did was justified by someone else's moral failure.
Which means that any act taken by anyone is justifiable if they felt they had a good reason to do bad things.


"He started it" is not a moral stance after about the third grade. It's not really moral then, either, but damn is it common.

 

[barbos]

You did an about face.

Technically yes.

Dude, your only constant is that Russia is blameless.
Either they did nothing wrong, or the wrong they did was justified by someone else's moral failure.
Which means that any act taken by anyone is justifiable if they felt they had a good reason to do bad things.


"He started it" is not a moral stance after about the third grade. It's not really moral then, either, but damn is it common.

Yes, Russia did wrong responding in kind to crap US neocons keep doing. I wish Russia had a better way of dealing with your assholes.

 

[Swammerdami]

French and Germans, yeah, they love each other so much that french asked (secretly) Gorvachev not to leave East Germany.

Do you have a cite for this?

Or is your source secret?

 

[Shadowy Man]

US M.O. is literally to run around and look for the guy who hates Russia the most and make him a president.That's what a right hand woman of Saakashvili himself said.

Except in their own country it would seem.

Yeah, you seem to disagree with that exception. But seriously, US presidents usually have very little input when it comes to Russia. Unless it's some kind of Cuban missile crisis and he says "OK, you little bastards, you went too far this time, no more Russia for you until the next POTUS"

But that's really what She said.

I don’t understand your response to what I said. My point was that if the USA wants presidents that hate Russia they did a poor job of picking their own in Trump.

 

[barbos]

French and Germans, yeah, they love each other so much that french asked (secretly) Gorvachev not to leave East Germany.

Do you have a cite for this?

Or is your source secret?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_reunification#Foreign_support_and_opposition

That's not my source, I just did the google search for you.

 

[barbos]

Yeah, you seem to disagree with that exception. But seriously, US presidents usually have very little input when it comes to Russia. Unless it's some kind of Cuban missile crisis and he says "OK, you little bastards, you went too far this time, no more Russia for you until the next POTUS"

But that's really what She said.

I don’t understand your response to what I said. My point was that if the USA wants presidents that hate Russia they did a poor job of picking their own in Trump.

And I was talking about presidents of countries around Russia.
Why everything must be about your presidents?

 

[Swammerdami]

French and Germans, yeah, they love each other so much that french asked (secretly) Gorvachev not to leave East Germany.

Do you have a cite for this?

Or is your source secret?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_reunification#Foreign_support_and_opposition

That's not my source, I just did the google search for you.

Thank you! I didn't know that.

The Wiki article, however, does not make a claim quite as strong as yours.

A representative of French President François Mitterrand reportedly told an aide to Gorbachev, "France by no means wants German reunification, although it realises that in the end, it is inevitable."

Here's an article Wiki cites. Thatcher, rather than Mitterand, seems to have been the main anti-reunificationist:

According to the British archive, two months before the fall of the Wall, Thatcher told the Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev that "neither Britain nor Western Europe wanted the reunification of Germany.

"This would lead to a change to postwar borders, and we cannot allow that because such a development would undermine the stability of the whole international situation and could endanger our security," she said.

In effect, she was asking the Britain's former Cold War enemy to help her thwart German ambitions of one of the West's staunchest allies.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

US M.O. is literally to run around and look for a guy who hates Russia the most and make him a president.That's what a right hand woman of Saakashvili himself said.

Not really. Russia is that high on what Americans care about.

1) Economy
2) Economy
3) Economy
4) Tax cuts
5) Terrorism
...
Infinity - 1) Russia

Russia became an issue in America in the 2016 election as Russian hackers managed to make a difference in the 2016 election, by leaking stolen docs to Wikileaks. Russia also seemed to have a line on Trump. That isn't hate, that is reality. Otherwise, Russia isn't that high on the American scope.

 

[barbos]

US M.O. is literally to run around and look for a guy who hates Russia the most and make him a president.That's what a right hand woman of Saakashvili himself said.

Not really. Russia is that high on what Americans care about.

1) Economy
2) Economy
3) Economy
4) Tax cuts
5) Terrorism
...
Infinity - 1) Russia

Where did I say Russia was high on the list?

Russia became an issue in America in the 2016 election as Russian hackers managed to make a difference in the 2016 election, by leaking stolen docs to Wikileaks. Russia also seemed to have a line on Trump. That isn't hate, that is reality. Otherwise, Russia isn't that high on the American scope.

And why do you think Russia did that?

 

[Shadowy Man]

Yeah, you seem to disagree with that exception. But seriously, US presidents usually have very little input when it comes to Russia. Unless it's some kind of Cuban missile crisis and he says "OK, you little bastards, you went too far this time, no more Russia for you until the next POTUS"

But that's really what She said.

I don’t understand your response to what I said. My point was that if the USA wants presidents that hate Russia they did a poor job of picking their own in Trump.

And I was talking about presidents of countries around Russia.

Man, nobody can take a joke around here...

Why everything must be about your presidents?

To be fair to me, this thread is in a forum entitled "US Presidential Politics".