Russian Invasion of Ukraine - tactics and logistics

[barbos]

Last I knew that was what protestors we're for. The only thing Barbos is protesting is the reality that Russia is losing the war for hearts and minds.

Well, China, India, Pakistan, Iran, Africa support Russia. That's a lot of hearts.

They support cheap energy.

It's not really cheap, though.
And yes, they blame YOU for that.

 

[Jarhyn]

Last I knew that was what protestors we're for. The only thing Barbos is protesting is the reality that Russia is losing the war for hearts and minds.

Well, China, India, Pakistan, Iran, Africa support Russia. That's a lot of hearts.

They support cheap energy.

Not to mention that the only hearts and minds that matter are the ones belonging to the citizens of Ukraine, whose homes were unilaterally invaded...

 

[barbos]

Last I knew that was what protestors we're for. The only thing Barbos is protesting is the reality that Russia is losing the war for hearts and minds.

Well, China, India, Pakistan, Iran, Africa support Russia. That's a lot of hearts.

They support cheap energy.

Not to mention that the only hearts and minds that matter are the ones belonging to the citizens of Ukraine, whose homes were unilaterally invaded...

Well, the ones which were actually "invaded" just voted to join Russia.
So.....

 

[TV and credit cards]

Analysis: India sharpens stand on Ukraine war but business as usual with Russia
And the opener is:

India is articulating its position against the Ukraine war more robustly to counter criticism that it is soft on Russia, but it still has not held Moscow responsible for the invasion and will not alter its policy on importing cheap Russian oil and coal.

 

[Jarhyn]

Last I knew that was what protestors we're for. The only thing Barbos is protesting is the reality that Russia is losing the war for hearts and minds.

Well, China, India, Pakistan, Iran, Africa support Russia. That's a lot of hearts.

They support cheap energy.

Not to mention that the only hearts and minds that matter are the ones belonging to the citizens of Ukraine, whose homes were unilaterally invaded...

Well, the ones which were actually "invaded" just voted to join Russia.
So.....

It's not a "vote" if it happens at gunpoint.

 

[Copernicus]

Figured you were stuck in traffic.

what?

Just wondered about your whereabouts. Thought maybe you headed for the border.

Oh, that. I myself is too old to be mobilized.
And the problem was greatly exaggerated by your propaganda.

It won't be long before they are drafting old geezers with military experience and an enthusiasm for rallying troops against the Ukrainian Nazis. Barbos could probably serve as one of the political commissars, since he served in the Soviet army.

 

[barbos]

It's not a "vote" if it happens at gunpoint.

You are deluded if you think that is the case here.

 

[barbos]

Analysis: India sharpens stand on Ukraine war but business as usual with Russia
And the opener is:

India is articulating its position against the Ukraine war more robustly to counter criticism that it is soft on Russia, but it still has not held Moscow responsible for the invasion and will not alter its policy on importing cheap Russian oil and coal.

Yes, your deranged/demented government is very disappointed in the third world reaction to the war you started with Russia.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

In general, I think it's too early to tell from anecdotal evidence how the mobilization is going to affect the war. Even if they are poorly equipped or trained, they don't need to be super soldiers to dig trenches and whatnot. The sheer numbers will make a difference, and it's foolish to bet that Russia is completely incapable of improving or learning from its mistakes.

If you send 300,000 conscripts with hopelessly inadequate training or none at all and equipped with not much more than rusty AK47 rifles into a war zone, the intent is obvious. Their contribution to Mother Russia's war effort will be to act as OADs*.

*Ordnance Absorption Devices

It seems peculiar. And while barbos will ignore it, Putin didn't ask for people to enlist... he is tapping people to go. Putin knows that not drafting soldiers isn't going to work. So, the domestic desire for this war in Ukraine is much smaller than advertised. And to force people to go... into the fall and winter? How does the math work here?

You do realize that Ukraine has had mobilization for a while now?
They are mobilizing women now. I guess, good job, neocons!

You seem to be suggesting that Russian civilian disinterest (or potentially disinterest) in Ukraine is a good thing for Russia's invasion of Ukraine?

 

[Jarhyn]

It's not a "vote" if it happens at gunpoint.

You are deluded if you think that is the case here.

Someone is deluded here, but I really don't thi k it's Bilby or I.

James Waterhouse on Twitter: "No need to sit down, but -installed officials have announced the preliminary results of their “referendums” in occupied Ukraine:
- 97% in Kherson region
- 98% in Zaporizhzhia
- 98% in “Donetsk People’s Republic”
- 98% in “Luhansk People’s Republic”" / Twitter
then
Ryan Grim on Twitter: "Putin missed a clever way to dodge an L. Announce results that show voters rejecting the referendum and then withdraw because you have so much respect for democracy and the will of the people" / Twitter

Over 96% said to favour joining Russia in first vote results from occupied Ukraine regions | Reuters

Russian-installed officials took ballot boxes from house to house in what Ukraine and the West said was an illegitimate, coercive exercise to create a legal pretext for Russia to annex the four regions.

...
The state-owned Russian news agency RIA said the initial counts showed majorities ranging from 96.97% in the Kherson region, based on 14% of votes counted, to 98.19% in Zaporizhzhia, based on 18% of the count.

The majorities in the so-called Donetsk and Luhansk people's republics were just under 98%, with 14% and 13% respectively of votes tallied.

The scale of the pro-Moscow vote came as no surprise, after voting that Ukraine said was carried out at gunpoint in many cases.

It mirrored a referendum in Crimea after Russia's seizure of the region from Ukraine in 2014, when Crimea's leaders declared a 97% vote to secede from Ukraine and join Russia.

Only people with no understanding of what democracy is even for would generate such nonsensical results.

If they faked a 60-40 result, it wouldn't be so bleeding bloody obvious that the whole thing was a sham.

As soon as one side gets better than 90%, anyone with a passing familiarity with democracy will be highly suspicious.

A result of better than 95% in favour of anything flies in the face of what we know about human behaviour. More than 5% of the public would vote against anything; There's at least that many who are too dumb to understand the question, or too dumb to mark the correct box, or who are simply trolls, larrikins, or other kinds of contrarian and would cast a vote against anything that they recognised had overwhelming support.

If you're going to make up fake results, at least make some effort to produce results that aren't completely laughable.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Last I knew that was what protestors we're for. The only thing Barbos is protesting is the reality that Russia is losing the war for hearts and minds.

Well, China, India, Pakistan, Iran, Africa support Russia. That's a lot of hearts.

They support cheap energy.

Not to mention that the only hearts and minds that matter are the ones belonging to the citizens of Ukraine, whose homes were unilaterally invaded...

Well, the ones which were actually "invaded" just voted to join Russia.
So.....

Great... maybe Putin can draft them to fight then. Clearly, they are for Russian control with those 97% yes referendums.

 

[barbos]

In general, I think it's too early to tell from anecdotal evidence how the mobilization is going to affect the war. Even if they are poorly equipped or trained, they don't need to be super soldiers to dig trenches and whatnot. The sheer numbers will make a difference, and it's foolish to bet that Russia is completely incapable of improving or learning from its mistakes.

If you send 300,000 conscripts with hopelessly inadequate training or none at all and equipped with not much more than rusty AK47 rifles into a war zone, the intent is obvious. Their contribution to Mother Russia's war effort will be to act as OADs*.

*Ordnance Absorption Devices

It seems peculiar. And while barbos will ignore it, Putin didn't ask for people to enlist... he is tapping people to go. Putin knows that not drafting soldiers isn't going to work. So, the domestic desire for this war in Ukraine is much smaller than advertised. And to force people to go... into the fall and winter? How does the math work here?

You do realize that Ukraine has had mobilization for a while now?
They are mobilizing women now. I guess, good job, neocons!

You seem to be suggesting that Russian civilian disinterest (or potentially disinterest) in Ukraine is a good thing for Russia's invasion of Ukraine?

I am sorry, I am not following you here.
Regarding people fleeing. Most people who flee were not to be mobilized in the first place. This mobilization is basically for people who had prior engagement with contract military service. Having said that, some dumb asses on the ground did try to mobilize people who were not supposed to be.

 

[barbos]

Great... maybe Putin can draft them to fight then. Clearly, they are for Russian control with those 97% yes referendums.

Well, DNR/LNR had been mobilized prior to operation.
The fact is, people voted to join Russia, and no amount of neocon propaganda will change that fact.

 

[Jarhyn]

people voted to join Russia

Only people with no understanding of what democracy is even for would generate such nonsensical results.
...
If you're going to make up fake results, at least make some effort to produce results that aren't completely laughable

 

[barbos]

What exactly is nonsensical?
Again, you are deluded if you think these pro-russian regions would want to stay in nazi controlled Ukraine.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Great... maybe Putin can draft them to fight then. Clearly, they are for Russian control with those 97% yes referendums.

Well, DNR/LNR had been mobilized prior to operation.
The fact is, people voted to join Russia, and no amount of neocon propaganda will change that fact.

And now Putin can mobilize that entire population due to their strong nationalistic love for Russia. This is a good thing. It'll help Putin claim that any efforts of Ukraine to seize back their own territory as laughably being an invasion of Russian territory. Putin will use that to make the West recheck whether they will allow his play on words to justify him escalating this past a point of no return.

Too bad Russia didn't start off with the referendums which would have made it harder for Ukraine to fire into those Ukrainian territories... of course, there would have been less Russian military presence... making such a grand 97% referendum result seem less likely... and besides, the "shock and awe" in Kviv was supposed to decapitate the Ukrainian government. Putin wasn't planning on ever needing to mobilize the Afghanistan veterans in the fall. You were all supposed to be one happy family at this point... with Zelensky hiding in Western Europe. So yeah, an oversight by Putin there.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

So yeah, an oversight by Putin there.

I get the sarcasm but there aren't any oversights being made by Poostain. He's using any and all means at his disposal to protect himself from accountability. If he has to kill every citizen in Russia that's what he will do.

 

[Jarhyn]

What exactly is nonsensical?
Again, you are deluded if you think these pro-russian regions would want to stay in nazi controlled Ukraine.

God damn, its right there in the linked post. All you have to do is click the little up arrow:

A result of better than 95% in favour of anything flies in the face of what we know about human behaviour. More than 5% of the public would vote against anything; There's at least that many who are too dumb to understand the question, or too dumb to mark the correct box, or who are simply trolls, larrikins, or other kinds of contrarian and would cast a vote against anything that they recognised had overwhelming support.

 

[Jayjay]

Great... maybe Putin can draft them to fight then. Clearly, they are for Russian control with those 97% yes referendums.

Well, DNR/LNR had been mobilized prior to operation.
The fact is, people voted to join Russia, and no amount of neocon propaganda will change that fact.

Sure. And Russian people voted to join Netherlands.

Vote to join the Netherlands, Dutch satirist urges Russians - DutchNews.nl

A video by Dutch satirist Arjen Lubach encouraging Russians to vote to become part of the Netherlands has been watched by millions of people – and lots of viewers seem to support the idea. The video, prompted by the forthcoming referendums organized by Russia in occupied parts of Ukraine, has...

www.dutchnews.nl

 

[Jayjay]

What exactly is nonsensical?
Again, you are deluded if you think these pro-russian regions would want to stay in nazi controlled Ukraine.

Then why is it that the territories liberated recently by Ukraine in Kharkiv oblast are overjoyed that their occupation is over? Why wouldn't the same be true of every other territory, with maybe excepting DNR/LNR that have been purged and bombarded with propaganda for the past 8 years?

Polls prior to the invasion show that support for joining Russia was in single digits in areas not occupied by Russia. And even in the "people's republics" it was about 50-50.