Harry Bosch
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Your statement is very ironic. Russians have a difficult time hearing opposing views.
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Duke Leto
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Two insanely unlikely scenarios:
It is found to have been a smartalleck show off suicide.
The victim took a contract out on himself to discredit Putin. That has actually happened once before...
It is found to have been a smartalleck show off suicide.
The victim took a contract out on himself to discredit Putin. That has actually happened once before...
Duke Leto
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Fortunately, we can totally trust the man heading up the investigation!
Duke Leto
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Just out of morbid curiosity to the Russophiles in the thread...
Is there hypothetically evidence that could convince you that Russia is the aggressor in Ukraine, and the current Ukrainian government is not a bunch of CIA sponsored fascists?
That is, are you even willing to entertain the possibility that you're the propaganda dupes and not us?
Just checking.
Is there hypothetically evidence that could convince you that Russia is the aggressor in Ukraine, and the current Ukrainian government is not a bunch of CIA sponsored fascists?
That is, are you even willing to entertain the possibility that you're the propaganda dupes and not us?
Just checking.
I could probably be called a Russophile from some here. And the other branded Russophiles have criticized Putin and Russia in other Ukrainian threads. Yet its the Anti-Russia crowd here that ignores evidence of CIA involvement in Ukraine. Some even outright deny there are neo-nazis in the Ukraine govt. Which is particularly ridiculous considering the history there and other openly far right parties in Europe. Its clear which side is biased and unwilling to acknowledge propaganda from their camp.
Harry Bosch
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CIA is probably involved in every country in the world. That didn't give you an excuse to invade other countries! Please provide proof that Ukraine is a far right wing nazi controlled country.
Duke Leto
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Put it this way. If the pack of morons at Langley couldn't figure out where the most wanted terrorist on Earth was for 10 years, I REALLY doubt they could successfully pull off a coup that didn't have overwhelming popular support anyway.
And I don't think the burden of proof is on me to prove that the current government are NOT fascists. Claiming they are fascists is the extreme claim (or one that requires so much watering down of "fascism" that it becomes meaningless).
And I don't think the burden of proof is on me to prove that the current government are NOT fascists. Claiming they are fascists is the extreme claim (or one that requires so much watering down of "fascism" that it becomes meaningless).
Duke Leto
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The broken image above was supposed to be one of Putin dressed as Sherlock Holmes. I can't find a good copy OR edit it. Curses! 
fromderinside
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OK assume CIA in Ukraine, neo-nazis in Ukraine government, how does one explain that Russia denies Russian troops in Ukraine even with these admissions? Yes it is clear. I hope we agree.
barbos
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Why all this fixation on fascists?
How about idiots? their current governments are idiots.
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What admissions? You mean NATO admissions that they have no evidence or russian troops in Ukraine?
Evidence has been shown in other threads regarding Svoboda fascist roots. And its been ignored. The fact you deny the neo-fascism in Ukraine with its history of fighting against Russia along side the Nazis only demonstrate that discussion here is disingenuous or woefully obtuse at best.
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Read. At least try.
Actually this post isn't clear to me. However to answer your question as best I can. If Russia denies there are Russian troops in Ukraine then its explained by two possibilities. Either they aren't sending troops and their denial is the truth or they are covertly sending troops and they are lying.
We were cross posting. That post was for Harry
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First re: cross post. OK. Never mind.
OK I'll include there are photos and video showing Russian troops moving, Russian troops being interviewed, Russian material moving all into Ukraine in press, even Al Jazeera, across the world and still Russian isn't fessing up. Still hope we agree.
barbos
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Irony is on you. My (and russians in general) hearing is perfect, yours is not so much.
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EYUP.
Great hearers. Absolutely the worst admitters. Imperialist USA is on Russia's border right?
Great hearers. Absolutely the worst admitters. Imperialist USA is on Russia's border right?
barbos
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You do that, just make sure these are not from 2008 Georgia.
Harry Bosch
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BTW: what is it that makes one a "Russophile"? Insecurity? What? Are you protecting family members from Putin's goons or something?
Duke Leto
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Yes, I was aware that there were elements in the Ukraine that fought against the Soviets with the Nazis. I'll even go one further and tell you something you might not know. The CIA paradropped some of those assholes into the Ukraine in the mid-40s to act as commandos and liberate the country. I'll acknowledge that the Svoboda party is probably descended from those elements.
So what?
The Kuomintang aren't just descended in some semi-direct way from rebel elements who fought Mao, they actually ARE the original KMT, and they're one of major parties in Taiwan. Is Taiwan a "fascist" country now? (I'd certainly acknowledge it mighta been in the 60s and 70s, but claiming that it's fascist now is a BIG stretch.)
The Finnish National Coalition party currently controls the posts of President and Prime Minister of Finland. The National Coalition Party collaborated with the Nazis to fight against the Soviets in WWII. Is Finland's government "fascist" at present?
The US Democratic Party is directly descended from the lunatics who started the Civil War to protect slavery... Is Barack Obama therefore the Grand Wizard of Ku Klux Klan?
Proof of a political organization's PAST extremism tells you absolutely noting about its present orientation.
Even IF we accept that Svoboda is a bunch of filthy fascists bent on sending all the ethnic Russians in the Ukraine to the gas chamber and conquering Belarus, Poland and Lithuania and putting Prince Albert of Saxony on the throne of the restored Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth... who cares?
Svoboda lost 24 of its 30 parliamentary seats last November. Svoboda is no longer part of the government. Svoboda is now irrelevant.
(Yes, I looked up who the heir of the last King of pre-partitions Poland would theoretically be.)