Sanders!

[untermensche]

Why is every discussion about candidates the same shit?

Not one word about their policies.

Talk, which at this point is pure gibberish, about the horse race.

Always the fucking horse race.

The bastards get in because all anybody wants to yammer about is the horse race.

Sanders supports a Medicare-for-all single-payer health coverage program.

Does Hillary?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Why is every discussion about candidates the same shit?

Not one word about their policies.

Talk, which at this point is pure gibberish, about the horse race.

Always the fucking horse race.

The bastards get in because all anybody wants to yammer about is the horse race.

Sanders supports a Medicare-for-all single-payer health coverage program.

Does Hillary?

She will if it polls well.

 

[Horatio Parker]

One thing I've always respected Repubs for is their tactic of choosing, or attempting to choose, their opponents.

You have to admire the way in this case the tactic involved Linking a lefty website talking about a poll of democrats voting in a democrat primary.

With a neocon or libertarian or wtf you are calling attention to it.

 

[Horatio Parker]

Of course! They would get all the moderates.

Sanders is a moderate. An actual one.

Very true, but he will not be portrayed as one.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Sanders is a moderate. An actual one.

Very true, but he will not be portrayed as one.

Of course not. They will play him as Stalin incarnate, like any Demoncrat.

 

[PyramidHead]

Sanders is a moderate. An actual one.

Very true, but he will not be portrayed as one.

Who would be an example of someone well to the left of center, if not Sanders? On which issues could Sanders be further to the left than he is? I'm not trying to be accusatory, I am genuinely curious, because it seems (to me) like Sanders is one of the only actual progressive liberals in Congress.

 

[KeepTalking]

I don't think it was a Dem who made the statement "young and dynamic" with regard to Sanders, but then again, perhaps dismal switched parties within the last hour or so.

I know dismal is not a Dem, but he summed up how the Dem base views Bernie quite well.

Only on opposite day, or Bizarro! world.

 

[Horatio Parker]

Very true, but he will not be portrayed as one.

Who would be an example of someone well to the left of center, if not Sanders? On which issues could Sanders be further to the left than he is? I'm not trying to be accusatory, I am genuinely curious, because it seems (to me) like Sanders is one of the only actual progressive liberals in Congress.

Chomsky.

 

[Horatio Parker]

Why is every discussion about candidates the same shit?

Not one word about their policies.

Talk, which at this point is pure gibberish, about the horse race.

Always the fucking horse race.

The bastards get in because all anybody wants to yammer about is the horse race.

Sanders supports a Medicare-for-all single-payer health coverage program.

Does Hillary?

There is a logic to it, which is that policies are infinitely flexible and candidates often do not do what they said they would.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Very true, but he will not be portrayed as one.

Who would be an example of someone well to the left of center, if not Sanders?

How far left do you want to go?

On which issues could Sanders be further to the left than he is?

Well, he doesn't want to nationalize the oil/gas industry. He isn't proposing minimum incomes for all citizens.

What Sanders wants is what the majority of Americans want. The Republicans, however, have perfected the art of having people vote against what they actually want.

 

[Horatio Parker]

Who would be an example of someone well to the left of center, if not Sanders?

How far left do you want to go?

On which issues could Sanders be further to the left than he is?

Well, he doesn't want to nationalize the oil/gas industry. He isn't proposing minimum incomes for all citizens.

What Sanders wants is what the majority of Americans want. The Republicans, however, have perfected the art of having people vote against what they actually want.

It's very interesting that someone can conceive of Sanders as as far left as one can go. It shows how rightist our politics are IMO.

 

[PyramidHead]

How far left do you want to go?

On which issues could Sanders be further to the left than he is?

Well, he doesn't want to nationalize the oil/gas industry. He isn't proposing minimum incomes for all citizens.

What Sanders wants is what the majority of Americans want. The Republicans, however, have perfected the art of having people vote against what they actually want.

It's very interesting that someone can conceive of Sanders as as far left as one can go. It shows how rightist our politics are IMO.

I don't really know every detail of his platform, I just figured anybody who calls himself a socialist is generally not considered a moderate, at least in America. You're right that the rest of the world probably views his ideas as centrist.

 

[TV and credit cards]

So it looks like common sense is now portrayed as far left.
If Bernie is what most Americans want, common sense should rise above money spent to thwart him.
Of course, it'd help if he combed his hair.

 

[NobleSavage]

Bernie is always saying he wants worker co-ops. Which is fine with me as long as I'm not forced to join one or forced to turn my business into one. How does he plan to make this happen? It may be a better arrangement in some instances, but I can think up quite a few scenarios where I'd rather just be an employee.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

How far left do you want to go?

On which issues could Sanders be further to the left than he is?

Well, he doesn't want to nationalize the oil/gas industry. He isn't proposing minimum incomes for all citizens.

What Sanders wants is what the majority of Americans want. The Republicans, however, have perfected the art of having people vote against what they actually want.

It's very interesting that someone can conceive of Sanders as as far left as one can go. It shows how rightist our politics are IMO.

I don't really know every detail of his platform...

Did you mean to say "any" detail?

 

[Derec]

I don't really know every detail of his platform, I just figured anybody who calls himself a socialist is generally not considered a moderate, at least in America. You're right that the rest of the world probably views his ideas as centrist.

If he is not really a socialist (and he doesn't appear to be) why does he call himself one, even though it will turn off most people?

 

[KeepTalking]

I don't really know every detail of his platform, I just figured anybody who calls himself a socialist is generally not considered a moderate, at least in America. You're right that the rest of the world probably views his ideas as centrist.

If he is not really a socialist (and he doesn't appear to be) why does he call himself one, even though it will turn off most people?

He calls himself a democratic socialist, which is not the same as a socialist. It is not his fault that the average moron does not know what a democratic socialist is.

 

[Derec]

\He calls himself a democratic socialist, which is not the same as a socialist. It is not his fault that the average moron does not know what a democratic socialist is.

I think he confuses is it with social democracy. Socialism is a system characterized by public ownership of means of production. It should not be muddled by using it for essentially capitalist systems with more generous social safety net and stricter regulations than we have in the US.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

\He calls himself a democratic socialist, which is not the same as a socialist. It is not his fault that the average moron does not know what a democratic socialist is.

I think he confuses is it with social democracy. Socialism is a system characterized by public ownership of means of production. It should not be muddled by using it for essentially capitalist systems with more generous social safety net and stricter regulations than we have in the US.

Or maybe, just maybe we should understand that political labels can mean different things in different countries.

First
— Revision of our federal constitution, in order to remove the obstacles to complete control of government by the people irrespective of sex.
Second
— The public ownership of all industries controlled by monopolies, trusts, and combines.
Third
— The public ownership of all railroads, telegraphs, and telephones; all means of transportation and communication; all water works, gas and electric plants, and other public utilities.
Fourth
— The public ownership of all gold, silver, copper, lead, iron, coal, and other mines, and all oil and gas wells.
Fifth
— The reduction of the hours of labor in proportion to the increasing facilities of production.
Sixth
— The inauguration of a system of public works and improvements for the employment of the unemployed, the public credit to be used for that purpose.
Seventh
— Useful inventions to be free, the inventor to be remunerated by the public.
Eighth
— Labor legislation to be national, instead of local, and international where possible.
Ninth
— National insurance of working people against accidents, lack of employment, and want in old age.
Tenth
— Equal civil and political rights for men and women, and the abolition of all laws discriminating
against women.
Eleventh
— The adoption of the initiative and referendum, proportional representation, and the right of recall of representatives by the voters.
Twelfth
— Abolition of war and the introduction of international arbitration.

We aren't exactly talking about out of this world stuff.

 

[untermensche]

Bernie is always saying he wants worker co-ops. Which is fine with me as long as I'm not forced to join one or forced to turn my business into one. How does he plan to make this happen? It may be a better arrangement in some instances, but I can think up quite a few scenarios where I'd rather just be an employee.

What is any president able to do?

What magic is Donald Trump going to pull off to create opportunity for the middle class and the poor?

Are there people so feeble they still believe that lowering taxes on the rich and removing regulations from multinational corporations does anything for working people?

How can anybody vote for somebody that doesn't understand the invasion of Iraq was not only a huge and costly disaster but it was an immoral war crime as well?