Sanity in the UK?

[Trausti]

UK court rules against clinic in puberty blocking drugs case

Britain’s High Court ruled Tuesday that children under 16 years old who are considering gender reassignment are unlikely to be able to give informed consent to medical treatment involving drugs that delay puberty.

The ruling said that because of the experimental nature of the drugs, clinics should seek court authorization before starting such treatment, even in cases of teens aged 16 or over.

The use of young people - kids! - to push a social agenda on gender is atrocious. Whether due to the mother with Munchausen by Proxy, who makes her boy a girl to get attention, or a culture telling young people their anatomy was likely a mistake, much harm has been done. The greater probability is that a child who does not confirm to gender norms (and is not brainwashed by activist parents) is gay, lesbian, or just a tomboy. That it was ever acceptable to give a child puberty blockers is a shame of our times.

 

[krypton iodine sulfur]

UK court rules against clinic in puberty blocking drugs case

The use of young people - kids! - to push a social agenda on gender is atrocious.

Then why do you do it?

The court has to straddle a difficult issue. It is harmful for a youth to transition mistakenly if they are not transgender. It is harmful for a youth not to have access to trans care if they are transgender. The major issue is the timeline for deciding is based on nature, not on when we can conveniently determine a threshold for consent. Exacerbating the issue is unlike other treatments for youth, there are concerns that bigotry and prejudice may challenge the objectivity of parents and guardians.

But consent was the issue on the table. The ruling doesn't prohibit treatment of other youth. It seems the outcome was that doctors and youths shouldn't be the arbiters of whether consent has been given; the courts should decide.

 

[Jarhyn]

UK court rules against clinic in puberty blocking drugs case

The use of young people - kids! - to push a social agenda on gender is atrocious.

Then why do you do it?

The court has to straddle a difficult issue. It is harmful for a youth to transition mistakenly if they are not transgender. It is harmful for a youth not to have access to trans care if they are transgender. The major issue is the timeline for deciding is based on nature, not on when we can conveniently determine a threshold for consent. Exacerbating the issue is unlike other treatments for youth, there are concerns that bigotry and prejudice may challenge the objectivity of parents and guardians.

But consent was the issue on the table. The ruling doesn't prohibit treatment of other youth. It seems the outcome was that doctors and youths shouldn't be the arbiters of whether consent has been given; the courts should decide.

Like, I just don't get it. Is Trausti just sitting in whatever subterranean domicile they call home, twiddling a whispy mustache and cackling with glee whenever a boy is forced to grow fucking tits?

I just don't get why they care what a child and their professional doctors decide as regards treatment for brain/body discordance.

If anyone is using these kids, it is themselves, as is their fucking right, in actualizing their best self.

Not allowing any person to pursue their personal agenda with regards to gender and resolution of puberty, in consultation with professionals, is fucking atrocious.

Talk about government overreach...

 

[Trausti]

This is child abuse. The transgender child is like the vegan dog.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

UK court rules against clinic in puberty blocking drugs case

Britain’s High Court ruled Tuesday that children under 16 years old who are considering gender reassignment are unlikely to be able to give informed consent to medical treatment involving drugs that delay puberty.

The ruling said that because of the experimental nature of the drugs, clinics should seek court authorization before starting such treatment, even in cases of teens aged 16 or over.

The use of young people - kids! - to push a social agenda on gender is atrocious. Whether due to the mother with Munchausen by Proxy, who makes her boy a girl to get attention, or a culture telling young people their anatomy was likely a mistake, much harm has been done. The greater probability is that a child who does not confirm to gender norms (and is not brainwashed by activist parents) is gay, lesbian, or just a tomboy. That it was ever acceptable to give a child puberty blockers is a shame of our times.

Why do you assume they are always wrong?

If they don't transition the puberty blockers have little effect--puberty resumes when they are discontinued. If they do transition they make it a lot easier. It seems to me a pretty obvious choice--when in doubt, use them.

 

[Jarhyn]

UK court rules against clinic in puberty blocking drugs case

Britain’s High Court ruled Tuesday that children under 16 years old who are considering gender reassignment are unlikely to be able to give informed consent to medical treatment involving drugs that delay puberty.

The ruling said that because of the experimental nature of the drugs, clinics should seek court authorization before starting such treatment, even in cases of teens aged 16 or over.

The use of young people - kids! - to push a social agenda on gender is atrocious. Whether due to the mother with Munchausen by Proxy, who makes her boy a girl to get attention, or a culture telling young people their anatomy was likely a mistake, much harm has been done. The greater probability is that a child who does not confirm to gender norms (and is not brainwashed by activist parents) is gay, lesbian, or just a tomboy. That it was ever acceptable to give a child puberty blockers is a shame of our times.

Why do you assume they are always wrong?

If they don't transition the puberty blockers have little effect--puberty resumes when they are discontinued. If they do transition they make it a lot easier. It seems to me a pretty obvious choice--when in doubt, use them.

Exactly. It also goes to the old wisdom of "measure twice, cut once": You can't undo a puberty. You only get one chance to get what you actually want out of it without turning to surgical remediations.

 

[krypton iodine sulfur]

That on its own is nothing.

This is child abuse. The transgender child is like the vegan dog.

 

[krypton iodine sulfur]

Like, I just don't get it. Is Trausti just sitting in whatever subterranean domicile they call home, twiddling a whispy mustache and cackling with glee whenever a boy is forced to grow fucking tits?

I guess what's weird about it is he doesn't even know who or what transgender people are. Whenever he posts on the topic, I just remember he's the one who--as a criticism of transgender people competing in accordance with gender--posted an image of a transgender guy forced to compete against girls asking if I would want my daughter to compete against him. It's difficult to believe he cares about the issue. If he does... well, there's a whole new level of sadness.

 

[Metaphor]

Some words from Keira Bell, one of the two claimants who brought the action to court.

https://safeschoolsallianceuk.net/2020/05/12/a-de-transitioners-viewpoint-keira-bell/

No one yet knows the “detransition” or regret rates. This has not been adequately investigated or studied despite the extreme and worrying increase and imbalance in the number of young women being referred to gender clinics. It appears that the gender clinics are obfuscating this information and trivialising this matter. There is especially no way of telling the regret rates as some people continue to live as trans/don’t express openly despite having regretted their transition.

There is no way of telling if someone will detransition beforehand. Gender/sex dysphoria is a mental illness and not necessarily a chronic condition as it is a symptom of underlying issues. The GRA is harmful as it is creating falsified and indelible records based on the current feelings of people. It has the ability to trap us detransitioners as when we begin to recover from gender dysphoria we are stuck on the “gender recognition register” and there is no policy to be able to revert to our original birth certificates with our birth sex.
A lot of trans identifying people speak of detransition with fear because they hold the opinion that gender/sex dysphoria is innate and in turn, detransitioners voices are being suppressed. No one is born in the wrong body and science says this.
Accusations of “transphobia” are given to anyone who differs from the stubborn opinion of transgender activists and it is used to generate double think. Transgender activists often make the comparison of trans rights with black rights as a method of manipulation to people who want to be on the right side of history.
The transgender movement is sexist and largely homophobic at its core (also suspected by ex Tavistock clinicians and reported by The Times) https://www.thetimes.co.uk/…/it-feels-like-conversion-thera…). As the statistics at the gender clinics show, young lesbians and masculine girls are being influenced to think that something is inherently wrong with them and that they have male brains because they do not fit in to stereotypes.

It is incredibly important for same sex (strictly female) spaces to be upheld. Sex matters.

Keira Bell
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During the proceeding:

In a witness statement before the court, Ms Bell said: “I made a brash decision as a teenager, as a lot of teenagers do, trying to find confidence and happiness, except now the rest of my life will be negatively affected.”


She added: “Transition was a very temporary, superficial fix for a very complex identity issue.”

PinkNews has covered the case, and is so dishonest in its coverage it beggars belief, so I won't link to it here.

 

[Jarhyn]

Like, I just don't get it. Is Trausti just sitting in whatever subterranean domicile they call home, twiddling a whispy mustache and cackling with glee whenever a boy is forced to grow fucking tits?

I guess what's weird about it is he doesn't even know who or what transgender people are. Whenever he posts on the topic, I just remember he's the one who--as a criticism of transgender people competing in accordance with gender--posted an image of a transgender guy forced to compete against girls asking if I would want my daughter to compete against him. It's difficult to believe he cares about the issue. If he does... well, there's a whole new level of sadness.

Like, part of me gets it: a certain segment of the population gets this firehose message that they are a "man" and all of what that is "supposed to mean", and then are sorely disappointed when they feel shafted by nature. Is it any surprise that they lash out over the fact that people born without testicles are now becoming more manly and masculine than they ever could hope to be? That people who don't even claim the mantle of "man" still check off more of their "manliness" boxes than they could ever dream of?

Or, better yet, kids who could very well become what whatever "manlet" you decide to hold up always wanted to be, but the kid laughs and says "I don't want that, that's dumb, dresses and bowties pls," breaking the manlet's mind because this stress of obligation that they can never fulfill just isn't an issue for these other people.

Or for that matter, those who are oh so frustrated that people will call someone with breasts and a vagina a "man" more readily then them...

I wonder if some psychedelic psychotherapy might help, but then I remember that such is dangerous for anyone without the mental fortitude to understand those experiences as internal rather than "divine".

 

[repoman]

I have seen a lot of hypotheses as to why transgenderism is apparently rising, probably a lot are bunkum, but who knows until it is studied objectlively.

For example when young girls by accident or on a dare watch hardcore porn and see just how animalistic and mean it can be they don't want to be the focus of that violence as a woman. This is what Abigail Shrier talked about. But I don't see this as too likely for a girl to actually say, "mom, give me testosterone so I don't get triple penetrated and have to lick the toilet bowl clean after getting bukkaked by 50 men. "

Another fringe theory is that young guys seeing cross dresser/tranny/sissy-hypno porn will focus sexual attraction to the idea of themselves as women. I read about this stuff then had a look at sissy hypno, fucking crazy stuff. Super fast and closeup cuts of extremely attractive (too pretty for porn) women having with a slow techno beat, phone sex narrator then intersplicing trans porn actors performing sex. The message is that you the viewer are a sissy and deserve to be treated like a whore.

Porn is like processed sugar, humans are not made to be able to consume so much constantly without negative side effects.

 

[Trausti]

I have seen a lot of hypotheses as to why transgenderism is apparently rising, probably a lot are bunkum, but who knows until it is studied objectlively.

For example when young girls by accident or on a dare watch hardcore porn and see just how animalistic and mean it can be they don't want to be the focus of that violence as a woman. This is what Abigail Shrier talked about. But I don't see this as too likely for a girl to actually say, "mom, give me testosterone so I don't get triple penetrated and have to lick the toilet bowl clean after getting bukkaked by 50 men. "

Another fringe theory is that young guys seeing cross dresser/tranny/sissy-hypno porn will focus sexual attraction to the idea of themselves as women. I read about this stuff then had a look at sissy hypno, fucking crazy stuff. Super fast and closeup cuts of extremely attractive (too pretty for porn) women having with a slow techno beat, phone sex narrator then intersplicing trans porn actors performing sex. The message is that you the viewer are a sissy and deserve to be treated like a whore.

Porn is like processed sugar, humans are not made to be able to consume so much constantly without negative side effects.

Or transgender is the new emo.

 

[repoman]

Eggshell minefield

 

[Jarhyn]

Eggshell minefield

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That's not eggshells? I mean shit, I could make a similar list for anyone cisgender, too. It's just common fucking sense* extrapolation from "Elliot, they/them/him/he". The only reason it stands out, I am assuming, is that it involves a shift in behavior from an older and obsolete paradigm.

Than again, certain people do seem to have a hellishly hard time shifting behavior from old and obsolete paradigms.

 

[Emily Lake]

Exactly. It also goes to the old wisdom of "measure twice, cut once": You can't undo a puberty. You only get one chance to get what you actually want out of it without turning to surgical remediations.

You don't actually get to choose what you want to get out of it regardless. A genetically male person who uses cross-sex hormones during puberty will suppress facial hair growth and will develop breasts, but their penis doesn't fall off. It does, however, prohibit the growth of an adult penis, which can leave that person with an inability to achieve orgasm and enjoy healthy sexual activity. Similarly, a genetically female person who uses cross-sex hormones gets bigger and stronger and grows a beard, but they don't sprout a penis and their uterus doesn't fall out. It can, however, lead to permanent sterility.

And puberty blockers can produce life-long health risks from delaying the natural course of human development, even if cross-sex hormones are never used.

 

[repoman]

These blockers also stunt mental growth.

 

[krypton iodine sulfur]

Exactly. It also goes to the old wisdom of "measure twice, cut once": You can't undo a puberty. You only get one chance to get what you actually want out of it without turning to surgical remediations.

You don't actually get to choose what you want to get out of it regardless. A genetically male person who uses cross-sex hormones during puberty will suppress facial hair growth and will develop breasts, but their penis doesn't fall off. It does, however, prohibit the growth of an adult penis, which can leave that person with an inability to achieve orgasm and enjoy healthy sexual activity. Similarly, a genetically female person who uses cross-sex hormones gets bigger and stronger and grows a beard, but they don't sprout a penis and their uterus doesn't fall out. It can, however, lead to permanent sterility.

And puberty blockers can produce life-long health risks from delaying the natural course of human development, even if cross-sex hormones are never used.

No one is under the impression that their penis will fall off or that they will grow one. Honestly, what the fuck?

Life-long health risks are on the table no matter what. That's the nature of the situation.

 

[Jarhyn]

Exactly. It also goes to the old wisdom of "measure twice, cut once": You can't undo a puberty. You only get one chance to get what you actually want out of it without turning to surgical remediations.

You don't actually get to choose what you want to get out of it regardless. A genetically male person who uses cross-sex hormones during puberty will suppress facial hair growth and will develop breasts, but their penis doesn't fall off. It does, however, prohibit the growth of an adult penis, which can leave that person with an inability to achieve orgasm and enjoy healthy sexual activity. Similarly, a genetically female person who uses cross-sex hormones gets bigger and stronger and grows a beard, but they don't sprout a penis and their uterus doesn't fall out. It can, however, lead to permanent sterility.

And puberty blockers can produce life-long health risks from delaying the natural course of human development, even if cross-sex hormones are never used.

Wow, you are off base.

The vast majority of trans people never seek a bottom surgery.

In fact, there are life long impacts from using blockers: people who do end up a fair shade taller. Also, you know what else has health risks? Fucking surgical remediations.

 

[Jarhyn]

These blockers also stunt mental growth.

Ah, a claim without evidence. I think I know where to file that..

 

[repoman]

These blockers also stunt mental growth.

Ah, a claim without evidence. I think I know where to file that..

here is one:

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2017.00044/full