Sexism in the UK

[Derec]

The Labour government has decreed that no female minors will be held in "young offender institutions", which is a blatant sexist double standard. Apparently the Starmer government believes that young female criminals are all victims that do not deserve punishment.

Girls will no longer be sent to youth prisons

How long until this sexist radfem position spreads to adult female criminals as well?

And given how eager left-of-center politicians are to discriminate against them, is it any wonder that so many young men are drawn to right wing politics? Or rather, pushed toward it by the likes of Nic Dakin.

 

[laughing dog]

I read the article. These girls who make up less than 2% of under 18s in custody ( which is an average of a whopping 11 per year since 2022) are to be held in secure children’s homes or schools. Apparently these girls are more likely to engage in self harm than boys.



There is nothing about eliminating punishment.
If the current facilities are geared to housing boys, this might be a less expensive and more humane approach.I think this is an excellent first step leading to similar treatment for boys.

 

[Shadowy Man]

I couldn't read that link, but I saw this at https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-no-longer-places-girls-in-young-offender-institutions :

It comes as recent figures show girls are involved in more than half the self-harm incidents across the youth estate in England and Wales, despite accounting for less than two percent of the children in custody.

The intervention will ensure girls are always placed in settings more suited to their needs such as Secure Schools or Secure Children’s Homes.

So, it seems that despite your insinuation that they are simply released and "do not deserve punishment", they are shifting the nature of the incarceration to try to prevent self-harm incidents. The first paragraph suggests that boys do not self-harm in YOIs even nearly as much so that those institutions may be ok for boys.

Is this "sexism" or just a recognition of the differences of the sexes such that they find appropriate solutions that result in the least harm?

 

[Derec]

I read the article. These girls who make up less than 2% of under 18s in custody ( which is an average of a whopping 11 per year since 2022) are to be held in secure children’s homes or schools. Apparently these girls are more likely to engage in self harm than boys.

And that justifies not punishing them for committing crimes just because they are girls?

There is nothing about eliminating punishment.

They cannot be sent to youth prisons any more just because they are female. That is a sexist double standard.

If the current facilities are geared to housing boys, this might be a less expensive and more humane approach.I think this is an excellent first step leading to similar treatment for boys.

What similar treatment? No punishment even when minors commit serious crimes?
And there is nothing in this Labour government decision that indicates that they have any plans to treat youth crime in a gender neutral fashion. Everything indicates a desire to favor girls.

 

[Derec]

Is this "sexism" or just a recognition of the differences of the sexes such that they find appropriate solutions that result in the least harm?

It is definitely sexism. It says female offenders should not be sent to prison no matter what. So if a 17 year old girl murders somebody, no prison for her because she has a vagina.

 

[Shadowy Man]

Is this "sexism" or just a recognition of the differences of the sexes such that they find appropriate solutions that result in the least harm?

It is definitely sexism. It says female offenders should not be sent to prison no matter what. So if a 17 year old girl murders somebody, no prison for her because she has a vagina.

That’s not the interpretation I got from what I read. But you be you I guess.

 

[Tigers!]

Is this "sexism" or just a recognition of the differences of the sexes such that they find appropriate solutions that result in the least harm?

How many times are we told that there is no significant difference beween the sexes?

If there is no significant differnce then why single out girls for treatment boys will not appear to recieve?
If there are significant differences can we please have no more cant about there not being differences and acknowledge that sexes are indeed different is many significant ways and act accordingly and appropriately?

 

[barbos]

I couldn't read that link, but I saw this at https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-no-longer-places-girls-in-young-offender-institutions :

It comes as recent figures show girls are involved in more than half the self-harm incidents across the youth estate in England and Wales, despite accounting for less than two percent of the children in custody.

The intervention will ensure girls are always placed in settings more suited to their needs such as Secure Schools or Secure Children’s Homes.

51% is more than half
Looks like girls could be roughly as likely to selfharm themselves as boys.

 

[Shadowy Man]

Is this "sexism" or just a recognition of the differences of the sexes such that they find appropriate solutions that result in the least harm?

How many times are we told that there is no significant difference beween the sexes?

I don’t know. I certainly don’t say that.

If there is no significant differnce then why single out girls for treatment boys will not appear to recieve?
If there are significant differences can we please have no more cant about there not being differences and acknowledge that sexes are indeed different is many significant ways and act accordingly and appropriately?

It would seem to me that if there were no significant differences between the sexes then transgender wouldn’t be a thing, but I’m no expert on that subject.

 

[laughing dog]

I read the article. These girls who make up less than 2% of under 18s in custody ( which is an average of a whopping 11 per year since 2022) are to be held in secure children’s homes or schools. Apparently these girls are more likely to engage in self harm than boys.

And that justifies not punishing them for committing crimes just because they are girls?

. First, these girls are still incarcerated. That is punishment. So please stop with yiur misleading complaint.

Second, the change in policy is based on concerns about self harm, concerns driven by data about self-harm, not gender. You are using disparate outcomes to claim sexism, something you usually dismiss when the roles are reversed. I agree this policy suggests sexism, but it is not sufficient proof.

 

[laughing dog]

How many times are we told that there is no significant difference beween the sexes?

. The point in the situation is that there is a significant difference between the sexes.

 

[Tigers!]

How many times are we told that there is no significant difference beween the sexes?

. The point in the situation is that there is a significant difference between the sexes.

Then how can one change their sex?

 

[Shadowy Man]

How many times are we told that there is no significant difference beween the sexes?

. The point in the situation is that there is a significant difference between the sexes.

Then how can one change their sex?

That seems like a derail deserving of a different thread (if there already isn't one for that question).

 

[laughing dog]

How many times are we told that there is no significant difference beween the sexes?

. The point in the situation is that there is a significant difference between the sexes.

Then how can one change their sex?

With a more effort than it took to come up with that bonehead non sequitur.

 

[spikepipsqueak]

51% is more than half
Looks like girls could be roughly as likely to selfharm themselves as boys.

I think you are misinterpreting the stats. Perhaps it's me.

I read it that, of a 100 kids in custody, 98 are boys and 2 are girls, but that 2 percent account for more than half of all self harm incidents.

I am very glad that the UK has found a way to incarcerate those kids but keep them safe,

 

[barbos]

51% is more than half
Looks like girls could be roughly as likely to selfharm themselves as boys.

I think you are misinterpreting the stats. Perhaps it's me.

It's you.

I read it that, of a 100 kids in custody, 98 are boys and 2 are girls, but that 2 percent account for more than half of all self harm incidents.

Yes.

 

[spikepipsqueak]

Make up your mind.