Sheriff Joe gets Pardon

[LordKiran]

So... if he accepts the pardon, is that an admission of guilt?

I mean, aside from the fact that he's bragged about ignoring the injunction, is this a legal step that will have consequences in the civil suits levied against him? A pardon means he doesn't serve, but it doesn't absolve him of any crimes, right?

Good question.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burdick_v._United_States

Maybe helpful?

 

[Keith&Co.]

So... if he accepts the pardon, is that an admission of guilt?

I mean, aside from the fact that he's bragged about ignoring the injunction, is this a legal step that will have consequences in the civil suits levied against him? A pardon means he doesn't serve, but it doesn't absolve him of any crimes, right?

Good question.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burdick_v._United_States

Maybe helpful?

So...he was convicted of contempt, then pardoned. So he won't go to jail for contempt.
He was contemptified for continuing to racially profile. For the stated intention of continuing to racially profile.
So, for the lawsuits accusing him of harming people by racially profiling, wouldn't that count as admission of guilt of that?


I'm sure, of course, that Trump and the Sheriff, both consulted legal counsel before offering/accepting the pardon, to ensure that it wasn't actually increasing his exposure... Snort.

 

[LordKiran]

Good question.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burdick_v._United_States

Maybe helpful?

So...he was convicted of contempt, then pardoned. So he won't go to jail for contempt.
He was contemptified for continuing to racially profile. For the stated intention of continuing to racially profile.
So, for the lawsuits accusing him of harming people by racially profiling, wouldn't that count as admission of guilt of that?


I'm sure, of course, that Trump and the Sheriff, both consulted legal counsel before offering/accepting the pardon, to ensure that it wasn't actually increasing his exposure... Snort.

I mean I wouldn't think a pardon would protect you from civil prosecution for damages if the reason you were convicted in the first place is well established fact.

 

[RavenSky]

Good question.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burdick_v._United_States

Maybe helpful?

So...he was convicted of contempt, then pardoned. So he won't go to jail for contempt.
He was contemptified for continuing to racially profile. For the stated intention of continuing to racially profile.
So, for the lawsuits accusing him of harming people by racially profiling, wouldn't that count as admission of guilt of that?


I'm sure, of course, that Trump and the Sheriff, both consulted legal counsel before offering/accepting the pardon, to ensure that it wasn't actually increasing his exposure... Snort.

Arpaio doesn't give a damn about civil lawsuits because any lawsuit would be against the county, not against him personally. There have been plenty of those in the past. The county has paid out millions of dollars because of him. Doesn't affect him one iota.

He says he is running for Senator now.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The judge is asking for guidance as to whether the pardon is valid or not.

 

[hurtinbuckaroo]

The judge is asking for guidance as to whether the pardon is valid or not.

We're about to see SCROTUS' pardon powers evaluated, starting in the court that convicted Arpaio of contempt. To summarize the argument:

" if the president can pardon anyone who defies court orders to enforce constitutional protections, then those constitutional protections are rendered meaningless."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...-card-b:homepage/story&utm_term=.0ee72c188dd5

 

[Elixir]

The judge is asking for guidance as to whether the pardon is valid or not.

The judge knows damn well that the validity of the pardon is a function of whether it can withstand scrutiny by the court. She obviously wants to see the question aired rather than let it die, and leave the President thinking he can hand out pardons like party favors to anyone who "says nice things about me". That Cheato is determined to undermine and destroy any aspect of democracy that stands in the way of his boundless greed, is obvious. Whether legal recourse is available for the Nation, remains to be seen. This pardon question is only one small part of that determination.