Colonel Sanders
Senior Member
The argumentation by analogy coming out of you fellas is the most scatter-brained stuff I have ever heard. First Bip was comparing religion to sport now you are comparing children to frozen vegetables!
Ugh. The analogy was to your use of the word "segregation." You're using it improperly. You should be using the word "separation." It's more accurate and doesn't carry the same connotation as "segregation." Don't blame us for your thin language skills.
The evidence is all around you in the problems that religious segregation in general causes in the Northern Ireland, the middle east to take 2 obvious examples.
Then why in the hell didn't you talk specifically about Northern Ireland or somewhere in the ME? How is anyone supposed to know what or where you're talking about? Most people here are from the U.S. Those that aren't will almost invariably state that they're talking about something outside the U.S. because they understand the demographic here. And when Americans engage in a thread containing a topic about a non-U.S. country, they will usually qualify their comments with, "Here in the U.S. ..." or something that allows the OP and others to know what their point of reference is.
What a bunch of cobblers. You would insist that slavery be kept in place because people who discussed it in the 19th century and came to the conclusion (just by discussion) that it was maybe not the best way to organise society did not present any successful court cases brought by black slaves!
Oh, stop making shit up. Talk about limp analogies.
What we are doing here is discussing by argumentation the merits of religiously segregated education.
No, that's not what we're talking about. In your OP you proposed what any reasonable person, or any person within the spectrum of reasonable would identify as oppressive in a free country. And that's what makes your sudden shift to a geographical location even more bizarre. We've been talking about the free exercise rights of free countries and then suddenly you bring up Northern Ireland and the ME. What the fuck is that about?
Well at least I am discussing it and you are sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting that you don't want to discuss it you want to see court case evidence. What can't you give a single reason in support of segregated education? You have only offered vague complaints about 'freedom' but nothing specifically about segregation of children. What is good about it?
Legal holdings are often a direct and authoritative reflection of society's values. HERE IN THE U.S., one must prove damages to win a case, and in order to prove damages they have to prove every single element of their charge, along with providing a remedy for those damages. What you're talking about here would fall under due process or equal protection violation under the U.S. Constitution. So what you would have to find would be a case where a class of persons were damaged by private religious institutions and what the subsequent remedy was. Good luck with that. I'd look it up for you, but you're the one making the claim so it's up to you to provide evidence of that claim.
I'll also suggest you find out what constitutes child abuse because your position seems to support that accusation.
It is not up to individuals to make their own rules according to their religious beliefs in preference to the democratically agreed rules of the state.
HERE IN THE U.S. it is indeed up to the individual to decide what they wish to believe and how to practice those beliefs. It is also well-established that parents have the right to place their children in a qualified educational institution that despite being private, must adhere to the same state academic standards as public schools.
THOSE ARE THE "DEMOCRATICALLY AGREED UPON" RULES OF THE STATE.
The right to keep children segregated so that they grow up full of fear and distrust of other groups of children is 'the most important right you have' ?
Can you read? That sound you heard little while ago? It was the point zipping past your head at a hundred miles an hour.
I am not here to prove. I am here to argue.
Oh Jesus. You better provide proof of something or you're not a lot better than an angry, old drunk relative at a painfully long family reunion.
Back up your bullshit with something to show it isn't bullshit.