So another "chemical" attack in Syria?

[barbos]

Yes, Assad is winning and just a day ago or so US administration said they no longer want him out. It makes no sense for him to use that shit, and it makes perfect sense for SA and other Sunni actors to frame him again.

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How about they bombed terrorists who happened to have few canisters with gas?

The gas would burn in said explosion, not waft off.

Not necessarily.

I concur with your first point.

On CNN this morning, it is being reported that Asad claims they did not use chemical weapons, but instead attacked an ISIS weapons factory that had chemical weapons in it.

As I've noted before, it is incredible how the rebels or ISIS aren't using chemical weapons, yet seem to have access to them.

Chemical weapons are not rocket science, chlorine gas is readily available, some fancier poisons could be provided by US allies (Saudi Arabia, Qatar)

It is ridiculous to claim that poison gas would necessarily "burn up" when exposed to a blast.. how do you suppose it is designed to be deployed, via water balloon?

Typically a chemical weapon is designed, not brute forced by bombing a large canister of it. And seriously, are we supposed to believe that ISIS has so much of this material that it can be wafted out and not using it?

Once again, poison gases don't burn, even if they did you would have to set it on fire, which implies direct hit, and even then you have no guarantee that everything will get burned.
And we have no data of what was released in the first place. It could be anything including something which is not normally used as poison.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Chemical weapons are not rocket science, chlorine gas is readily available.

And people that are there think it was more likely Sarin.

It is ridiculous to claim that poison gas would necessarily "burn up" when exposed to a blast.. how do you suppose it is designed to be deployed, via water balloon?

Typically a chemical weapon is designed, not brute forced by bombing a large canister of it. And seriously, are we supposed to believe that ISIS has so much of this material that it can be wafted out and not using it?

Once again, poison gases don't burn, even if they did you would have to set it on fire, which implies direct hit...

Which the Russians and Syrians said happened. They hit an "ISIS" WMD location.

...and even then you have no guarantee that everything will get burned.

Once again, just how much of this stuff does ISIS have and why in the fuck are the people who slaughter and behead without question, not using this in Damascus?

 

[barbos]

And people that are there think it was more likely Sarin.

And some reported smell of chlorine, your point?

It is ridiculous to claim that poison gas would necessarily "burn up" when exposed to a blast.. how do you suppose it is designed to be deployed, via water balloon?

Typically a chemical weapon is designed, not brute forced by bombing a large canister of it. And seriously, are we supposed to believe that ISIS has so much of this material that it can be wafted out and not using it?

Once again, poison gases don't burn, even if they did you would have to set it on fire, which implies direct hit...

Which the Russians and Syrians said happened. They hit an "ISIS" WMD location.

Yes, they hit some ISIS location which turned out to be some chemical weapons lab.

...and even then you have no guarantee that everything will get burned.

Once again, just how much of this stuff does ISIS have and why in the fuck are the people who slaughter and behead without question, not using this in Damascus?

I understand they have plenty of crap like Chlorine and such and it was reportedly used many times without noticeable success.
Chemical weapons are hard to deploy and highly ineffective against half-decent regular army.
In this conflict it only effective when you can put the blame on other side.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

And some reported smell of chlorine, your point?

Once again, poison gases don't burn, even if they did you would have to set it on fire, which implies direct hit...

Which the Russians and Syrians said happened. They hit an "ISIS" WMD location.

Yes, they hit some ISIS location which turned out to be some chemical weapons lab.

Wow! With intelligence like that, who needs a military? MSF

5 April 2017

An MSF medical team providing support to the emergency department of Bab Al Hawa hospital in Syria’s Idlib province has confirmed that patients’ symptoms are consistent with exposure to a neurotoxic agent such as sarin gas.

A number of victims of the attack on the town of Khan Sheikhoun were brought to Bab Al Hawa hospital, which is located 100km north, near the Turkish border. Eight patients showed symptoms – including constricted pupils, muscle spasms and involuntary defecation – which are consistent with exposure to a neurotoxic agent such as sarin gas or similar compounds.
The MSF team provided drugs and antidotes to treat patients, and protective clothing for medical staff in the hospital’s emergency room.

MSF medical teams were also able to visit other hospitals where victims of the attack were being treated, and reported that victims smelled of bleach, suggesting they had been exposed to chlorine.

These reports strongly suggest that victims of the attack on Khan Sheikhoun were exposed to at least two different chemical agents.

...and even then you have no guarantee that everything will get burned.

Once again, just how much of this stuff does ISIS have and why in the fuck are the people who slaughter and behead without question, not using this in Damascus?

I understand they have plenty of crap like Chlorine and such and it was reportedly used many times without noticeable success.
Chemical weapons are hard to deploy and highly ineffective against half-decent regular army.

Gee, it looks pretty easy to use as a weapon if you get bombed.

 

[Elixir]

I understand they have plenty of crap like Chlorine

Sarin is not like chlorine. But you knew that.
What happened is that Trump emboldened Asshat by saying he wasn't interested in deposing him, so Asshat dialed up his partner in murder, Putin, and they decided it would be a good idea to see just how disinterested Trump really was, and whether the pee-party tapes would keep him from any retaliation.
So far so good...

No need for you to pretend your corrupt leader is all good, barbie.

 

[Malintent]

Chlorine gas is not prohibited as a chemical weapon. It was an oversight on the UNs part. Just sayin'.

 

[barbos]

And some reported smell of chlorine, your point?

Once again, poison gases don't burn, even if they did you would have to set it on fire, which implies direct hit...

Which the Russians and Syrians said happened. They hit an "ISIS" WMD location.

Yes, they hit some ISIS location which turned out to be some chemical weapons lab.

Wow! With intelligence like that, who needs a military?

What are you implying? Official Syrian Government version seems pretty plausible to me, certainly more plausible than the one where Syrian Army used chemical weapons.

MSF

5 April 2017

An MSF medical team providing support to the emergency department of Bab Al Hawa hospital in Syria’s Idlib province has confirmed that patients’ symptoms are consistent with exposure to a neurotoxic agent such as sarin gas.

A number of victims of the attack on the town of Khan Sheikhoun were brought to Bab Al Hawa hospital, which is located 100km north, near the Turkish border. Eight patients showed symptoms – including constricted pupils, muscle spasms and involuntary defecation – which are consistent with exposure to a neurotoxic agent such as sarin gas or similar compounds.
The MSF team provided drugs and antidotes to treat patients, and protective clothing for medical staff in the hospital’s emergency room.

MSF medical teams were also able to visit other hospitals where victims of the attack were being treated, and reported that victims smelled of bleach, suggesting they had been exposed to chlorine.

These reports strongly suggest that victims of the attack on Khan Sheikhoun were exposed to at least two different chemical agents.

As I said, some reported smell of chlorine.

...and even then you have no guarantee that everything will get burned.

Once again, just how much of this stuff does ISIS have and why in the fuck are the people who slaughter and behead without question, not using this in Damascus?

I understand they have plenty of crap like Chlorine and such and it was reportedly used many times without noticeable success.
Chemical weapons are hard to deploy and highly ineffective against half-decent regular army.

Gee, it looks pretty easy to use as a weapon if you get bombed.

Fortunately ISIS and rebels don't have bombers.

 

[Elixir]

As I said, some reported smell of chlorine.

You say a LOT of bullshit. So... presumably "some reported" something that THEY THOUGHT resembled the smell of chlorine. Meh.
Those in a position to know, by professional training and close examination of the victims, say it's Sarin.

Which is exactly consistent with Asshat and Putin teaming up to commit war crimes.

 

[barbos]

As I said, some reported smell of chlorine.

You say a LOT of bullshit. So... presumably "some reported" something that THEY THOUGHT resembled the smell of chlorine. Meh.
Those in a position to know, by professional training and close examination of the victims, say it's Sarin.

Which is exactly consistent with Asshat and Putin teaming up to commit war crimes.

No, it's you say a lot of bullshit, for example this very post.

 

[fromderinside]

Why do you think barbos, that Turkey, on the way to becoming an ally of Mother Russia, finds autopsy tests indicate Sarin? Certainly an ally wouldn't bullshit.

In other words cut the fake news attempts.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Why do you think barbos, that Turkey, on the way to becoming an ally of Mother Russia, finds autopsy tests indicate Sarin? Certainly an ally wouldn't bullshit.

In other words cut the fake news attempts.

I generally will hang my hat on anything out of MSF and rely on their tremendous amount of experience.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

And some reported smell of chlorine, your point?

Once again, poison gases don't burn, even if they did you would have to set it on fire, which implies direct hit...

Which the Russians and Syrians said happened. They hit an "ISIS" WMD location.

Yes, they hit some ISIS location which turned out to be some chemical weapons lab.

Wow! With intelligence like that, who needs a military?

What are you implying? Official Syrian Government version seems pretty plausible to me, certainly more plausible than the one where Syrian Army used chemical weapons.

MSF

5 April 2017

An MSF medical team providing support to the emergency department of Bab Al Hawa hospital in Syria’s Idlib province has confirmed that patients’ symptoms are consistent with exposure to a neurotoxic agent such as sarin gas.

A number of victims of the attack on the town of Khan Sheikhoun were brought to Bab Al Hawa hospital, which is located 100km north, near the Turkish border. Eight patients showed symptoms – including constricted pupils, muscle spasms and involuntary defecation – which are consistent with exposure to a neurotoxic agent such as sarin gas or similar compounds.
The MSF team provided drugs and antidotes to treat patients, and protective clothing for medical staff in the hospital’s emergency room.

MSF medical teams were also able to visit other hospitals where victims of the attack were being treated, and reported that victims smelled of bleach, suggesting they had been exposed to chlorine.

These reports strongly suggest that victims of the attack on Khan Sheikhoun were exposed to at least two different chemical agents.

As I said, some reported smell of chlorine.

The point is that you claim it was only chlorine and used the alleged incredible abundance of it as why ISIS would have it. You skipped over the sarin issue, which you would probably agree isn't too abundant.

Fortunately ISIS and rebels don't have bombers.

So bombs from planes work differently than bombs on the ground?

 

[barbos]

Why do you think barbos, that Turkey, on the way to becoming an ally of Mother Russia, finds autopsy tests indicate Sarin? Certainly an ally wouldn't bullshit.

In other words cut the fake news attempts.

Stop this bullshit already. I never denied Sarin or anything else. I merely repeated what the sources you all quote say which is some people reported smell of chlorine. As for sarin, it would only mean it was deliberate, it does not mean Assad is responsible.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Why do you think barbos, that Turkey, on the way to becoming an ally of Mother Russia, finds autopsy tests indicate Sarin? Certainly an ally wouldn't bullshit.

In other words cut the fake news attempts.

Stop this bullshit already. I never denied Sarin or anything else. I merely repeated what the sources you all quote say which is some people reported smell of chlorine. As for sarin, it would only mean it was deliberate, it does not mean Assad is responsible.

Bombs dropped from a plane and people died from Sarin gas poisoning. So Syria, Russia, Turkey, and the US are the ones with the jets.

Suggesting ISIS has access to Sarin gas would be of extraordinary importance and require immediate actions to absolutely quell that, but I don't hear Syria and Russia suggesting any such immediate action. So that pretty much means someone with jets dropped chemical weapons on a rebel held area in Syria. Turkey and the US are unlikely, Russia denies having a jet in the area. That leaves Syria.

 

[Elixir]

it does not mean Assad is responsible.

It either means that, or that someone else has had sarin gas for a long time and hasn't used it. Good luck trying to make your buddies look innocent.
(HINT: it's not working)

 

[barbos]

And some reported smell of chlorine, your point?

Once again, poison gases don't burn, even if they did you would have to set it on fire, which implies direct hit...

Which the Russians and Syrians said happened. They hit an "ISIS" WMD location.

Yes, they hit some ISIS location which turned out to be some chemical weapons lab.

Wow! With intelligence like that, who needs a military?

What are you implying? Official Syrian Government version seems pretty plausible to me, certainly more plausible than the one where Syrian Army used chemical weapons.

MSF

5 April 2017

An MSF medical team providing support to the emergency department of Bab Al Hawa hospital in Syria’s Idlib province has confirmed that patients’ symptoms are consistent with exposure to a neurotoxic agent such as sarin gas.

A number of victims of the attack on the town of Khan Sheikhoun were brought to Bab Al Hawa hospital, which is located 100km north, near the Turkish border. Eight patients showed symptoms – including constricted pupils, muscle spasms and involuntary defecation – which are consistent with exposure to a neurotoxic agent such as sarin gas or similar compounds.
The MSF team provided drugs and antidotes to treat patients, and protective clothing for medical staff in the hospital’s emergency room.

MSF medical teams were also able to visit other hospitals where victims of the attack were being treated, and reported that victims smelled of bleach, suggesting they had been exposed to chlorine.

These reports strongly suggest that victims of the attack on Khan Sheikhoun were exposed to at least two different chemical agents.

As I said, some reported smell of chlorine.

The point is that you claim it was only chlorine

I made no such claim.

and used the alleged incredible abundance of it as why ISIS would have it. You skipped over the sarin issue, which you would probably agree isn't too abundant.

Yes, I skipped because there were no definite proof of it.

Fortunately ISIS and rebels don't have bombers.

So bombs from planes work differently than bombs on the ground?

no, but getting bombs to target is vastly different in terms of ease. Rebels can reliably gas only themselves or someone nearby.

 

[Elixir]

Yes, I skipped because there were no definite proof of it.

You didn't skip implying that Aasshat didn't do it, nor did you skip implying that Putin wasn't his accomplice, or that it was chlorine gas, or that it was an ISIS stash...

You only skip things you wish weren't true.
It's called being a Russian troll, dude.

FAIL better, barbie.

 

[barbos]

Stop this bullshit already. I never denied Sarin or anything else. I merely repeated what the sources you all quote say which is some people reported smell of chlorine. As for sarin, it would only mean it was deliberate, it does not mean Assad is responsible.

Bombs dropped from a plane and people died from Sarin gas poisoning. So Syria, Russia, Turkey, and the US are the ones with the jets.

Yes, these were Syrian jets, but "bombs" did not contain chemical weapons, it was an ordinary bomb raid.

Suggesting ISIS has access to Sarin gas would be of extraordinary importance and require immediate actions to absolutely quell that, but I don't hear Syria and Russia suggesting any such immediate action. So that pretty much means someone with jets dropped chemical weapons on a rebel held area in Syria. Turkey and the US are unlikely, Russia denies having a jet in the area. That leaves Syria.

Some of the rebels say it were russian planes with definitely russian chemical weapons. So basically these people believe that Putin gased them.

 

[barbos]

Yes, I skipped because there were no definite proof of it.

You didn't skip implying that Aasshat didn't do it, nor did you skip implying that Putin wasn't his accomplice, or that it was chlorine gas, or that it was an ISIS stash...

You only skip things you wish weren't true.
It's called being a Russian troll, dude.

FAIL better, barbie.

I am sorry, I was wrong. Yes it was Putin flying russian bomber with Sarin bombs.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Bombs dropped from a plane and people died from Sarin gas poisoning. So Syria, Russia, Turkey, and the US are the ones with the jets.

Yes, these were Syrian jets, but "bombs" did not contain chemical weapons, it was an ordinary bomb raid.

Hmm... you wouldn't happen to have evidence of that? Because the people dying and being treated for chemical weapon exposure (chlorine and sarin) is evidence in contrary to your unbased statement.

Suggesting ISIS has access to Sarin gas would be of extraordinary importance and require immediate actions to absolutely quell that, but I don't hear Syria and Russia suggesting any such immediate action. So that pretty much means someone with jets dropped chemical weapons on a rebel held area in Syria. Turkey and the US are unlikely, Russia denies having a jet in the area. That leaves Syria.

Some of the rebels say it were russian planes with definitely russian chemical weapons. So basically these people believe that Putin gased them.

Seeing we aren't basing the Syrian origin on testimony from the Rebels, this is a red herring.