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What does everyone think Trump's fate will be after January 20th? A lot of speculation on the Internets is that he'll start a rival network to go against Fox news. But are there already indictments against him that will be unsealed the instant he isn't president? Will tax evasion charges follow?

I don't rationally see how Cohen could have been sent to prison for the Stormy Daniels payoff while an "unindicted co-conspirator" who was caught on tape ultimately isn't. But I'm not sure that rationality will apply when dealing with a former president.
 

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I'm curious to see if he'll start campaigning for 2024? I got the impression that he really likes those campaign rallies, that's why he never stopped doing them after the 2016 election. So he might continue rallying, election or not.

I don't see him starting a Trump TV network, more likely a partnership with OAN or some other existing player.
 

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He should crawl under a rock and stay there, never to be heard of again.
Since when does Mr. Trump do what he should do?

I expect he will attempt to return to the business world in order to earn more profits.
 

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I'm curious to see if he'll start campaigning for 2024? I got the impression that he really likes those campaign rallies, that's why he never stopped doing them after the 2016 election. So he might continue rallying, election or not.

I don't see him starting a Trump TV network, more likely a partnership with OAN or some other existing player.
I doubt he can afford rallies AND legal expenses. He doesnt get to travel on AF1 anymore, he's not going to get nearly as much free press, Twitter is going to kick him off, and a $billion in debt is coming due. Venues are going to ask for money up front, as will advertising for the rally.

And who's going to loan him money for any new projects when Deutsche Bank seizes all his assets?
 

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What does everyone think Trump's fate will be after January 20th?
I'm far less concerned about what Trump will do after Jan 20 than what he'll do between now and then.

He's going to get even with the American voters. He's going to sell their security and trade and everything else to the

Who knows who it will be? Could be anybody. Trump is a businessman, it's all about profits for him. Doesn't matter what happens to the rest of us as long as Trump profits.
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He should crawl under a rock and stay there, never to be heard of again.
Since when does Mr. Trump do what he should do?

I expect he will attempt to return to the business world in order to earn more profits.

He'd have to earn profits in the first place to earn more. ;) I've got to think that with the revelations from the NY Times on the massive debt coming due that his name will be poison in the business world.

Another option I forgot to mention in the OP is that he bolts from the country to avoid prosecution.
 

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Probably something similar to his friend JeffE. Though the Secret Service will be absolutely appreciated in their lifetime role of looking after him as he awaits his day in court under the equal protection of the law.

I don't think there's enough of a functional human machine inside that flabby pile of orange died flesh to actually coherently argue his own innocence. Then to new york. Maybe they can reopen alcatraz for him and give him the Napoleon treatment.
 

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Another option I forgot to mention in the OP is that he bolts from the country to avoid prosecution.

Well, Trump gets along very well with the oligarchs in Russia, North Korea, and Saudi Arabia. He won't have a problem finding a comfortable place for his declining years when he flees USA.

What if those Deplorables blame him for giving the country to a bunch of communists?

That'll be a hot seat.
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Though the Secret Service will be absolutely appreciated in their lifetime role of looking after him as he awaits his day in court under the equal protection of the law.
The post-president protections are afforded by an Executive Order. If Trump or his lawyers start abusing the privilege ("you cannot prosecute someone protected by SS, it's unfair to the agents!") then Joe can add a "when convicted" paragraph.
 

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I'm curious to see if he'll start campaigning for 2024? I got the impression that he really likes those campaign rallies, that's why he never stopped doing them after the 2016 election. So he might continue rallying, election or not.

I don't see him starting a Trump TV network, more likely a partnership with OAN or some other existing player.
I doubt he can afford rallies AND legal expenses.
But he likely has the ability to raise enough money to pay for flying around and people audibly jacking him off. If anything, he could run for 2024 starting in next week because for him it beats working.

And the additional benefit is that being mobile and on the road campaigning makes it harder for the banks to find him.
 

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I'm curious to see if he'll start campaigning for 2024? I got the impression that he really likes those campaign rallies, that's why he never stopped doing them after the 2016 election. So he might continue rallying, election or not.

I don't see him starting a Trump TV network, more likely a partnership with OAN or some other existing player.
I doubt he can afford rallies AND legal expenses.
But he likely has the ability to raise enough money to pay for flying around and people audibly jacking him off. If anything, he could run for 2024 starting in next week because for him it beats working.

And the additional benefit is that being mobile and on the road campaigning makes it harder for the banks to find him.
They don't need to find him, just the assets he used as collateral.
 

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Remember, Mueller has already laid out 10 charges of obstruction of justice. His written response to the investigation contains lies, thus perjury charges can be brought.
 

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In the interest of cosmic justice:
- he appears on a special Death Bed Broadcast of Limbaugh's show and concedes the election
- he leaves quietly in January
- prosecution for election fraud (Stormy) and tax fraud
- his damn tax returns leak, which costs him at least a quarter of his followers
- he can't get leveraged loans, so he files for bankruptcies #7, 8, 9...on various Trump properties

What is more likely, and what he is capable of:
- never concedes, continues to claim vote fraud, maligns Biden as illegimate
- abuses the pardon as never before, pardoning yet more war criminals, swindlers, crooked pols
- perhaps even gets Pence to take over the Pres. for a day to pardon Trump
- leaves DC during the inauguration and begins a non-stop tweet hurricane against Biden
- begins to groom Don Jr. for 2024 primaries (dead serious here -- this will happen!)
- appears ad nauseam on Fox and, although too lazy to do a nightly show, does numerous specials for them
- makes a fortune in speaking fees
 

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In the interest of cosmic justice:
- he appears on a special Death Bed Broadcast of Limbaugh's show and concedes the election
- he leaves quietly in January
- prosecution for election fraud (Stormy) and tax fraud
- his damn tax returns leak, which costs him at least a quarter of his followers
- he can't get leveraged loans, so he files for bankruptcies #7, 8, 9...on various Trump properties

What is more likely, and what he is capable of:
- never concedes, continues to claim vote fraud, maligns Biden as illegimate
- abuses the pardon as never before, pardoning yet more war criminals, swindlers, crooked pols
- perhaps even gets Pence to take over the Pres. for a day to pardon Trump
- leaves DC during the inauguration and begins a non-stop tweet hurricane against Biden
- begins to groom Don Jr. for 2024 primaries (dead serious here -- this will happen!)
- appears ad nauseam on Fox and, although too lazy to do a nightly show, does numerous specials for them
- makes a fortune in speaking fees

Yes to makes a fortune in speaking fees. But continues to pay zero taxes because all his businesses continue to lose money!
 

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What happened to the $500 million slush fund that was part of the stimulation package last spring?
 

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I think he'll turn the rallies into "speaking tour" and try to do more of it, but for profit this time.
 

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What does everyone think Trump's fate will be after January 20th? A lot of speculation on the Internets is that he'll start a rival network to go against Fox news. But are there already indictments against him that will be unsealed the instant he isn't president? Will tax evasion charges follow?

I don't rationally see how Cohen could have been sent to prison for the Stormy Daniels payoff while an "unindicted co-conspirator" who was caught on tape ultimately isn't. But I'm not sure that rationality will apply when dealing with a former president.

I think that he will be convicted of some crime and will spend six months up the river in a New York State prison. While there, he will have a book ghost-written for him titled My Struggle. When he gets out he will found his own political party dedicated to holding rallies around the country expressing the joys of white male grievance politics. Then at some time in the future, his God, money, will call him home, his debts will come due and his father figure, Putin, won't bail him out, and he will be bankrupt.
 

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Another option I forgot to mention in the OP is that he bolts from the country to avoid prosecution.
Well, Trump gets along very well with the oligarchs in Russia, North Korea, and Saudi Arabia.

Trump got along with those thugs. He was a useful fool. Now he's just a fool.
He needs to make sure he doesn't start to look like a dangerous one to them, or he'll get Epsteined for sure.

What happened to the $500 million slush fund that was part of the stimulation package last spring?

You misspelled "billion".
 

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I wonder how long it will take him to try to pardon himself?

Not long. Unfortunately for him,

  • he can only pardon himself and his family for federal crimes
  • accepting a pardon is an admission of committing a crime
  • the natural question then is what crimes did you commit?
  • traditionally there is no blanket pardon for just any crime committed in the past
  • and accepting a pardon for one crime doesn't prevent you from being charged with other crimes that you committed in the past
  • a pardon will not reduce the biggest threat to him, bankruptcy without the Russians to bail him out and no bank to roll over his debt
That being said, I fully expect that the Biden administration to let this slide. They have enough to do repairing the damage that Trump did to worry about such matters. Leave it to the states and to Congress.

Stacy Abrams for AG​
 

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Do any amateur constitutional lawyers here know how the various statute of limitations might apply in these cases? Have the states lost 4 years of the windows in which they might prosecute?
 

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I don't know about after January, but until then, he's going full Giuliani. Everyone around him is too busy planning their own futures knowing his time is short, so they don't care what he does at this point. Giuliani is pretty much in charge now, which is hilarious and terrifying.
 

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This is much more dangerous than that. Yesterday, they accepted Biden's win. Even Melania was telling Trump to concede. Today, they are backtracking and saying that Biden lost and Trump won. Just blatantly lying, knowing their bloodthirsty, obedient, hyper suggestible base of armed morons will scale up the violence. I think things are going to get much, much worse in the coming months.
 

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The only problem is giving the clown show too much attention which makes it seem important. I mean, what has changed from the first day this clown took office? Anything? The adolescent clown will be leaving soon, rest assured of that.
 

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When "keeping them happy" means "giving them an enemy to shoot at", it's a serious problem.

what has changed from the first day this clown took office? Anything?

Many life-term appointed judges, including two conservative Supreme Court Judges he should not have had the opportunity to appoint
My taxes last year were approximately $8,000 higher due to not being able to deduct things that I used to be able to
My neighbor told me yesterday that he was afraid to put a political yard sign up due to fear of vandalism
Blatant lies are now Presidential acts
Only a little less than half our country has abandoned Democracy and actively seek Oligarchy

.. so, ya.. more than just "anything" has changed... some very important things have changed for the worse that are very hard to change back.
 

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When "keeping them happy" means "giving them an enemy to shoot at", it's a serious problem.

what has changed from the first day this clown took office? Anything?

Many life-term appointed judges, including two conservative Supreme Court Judges he should not have had the opportunity to appoint
My taxes last year were approximately $8,000 higher due to not being able to deduct things that I used to be able to
My neighbor told me yesterday that he was afraid to put a political yard sign up due to fear of vandalism
Blatant lies are now Presidential acts
Only a little less than half our country has abandoned Democracy and actively seek Oligarchy

.. so, ya.. more than just "anything" has changed... some very important things have changed for the worse that are very hard to change back.

Fuck all that. Just sleep with a gun under your pillow. Sure hope this doesn't come to lots of dead bodies but there are worse things.
 

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Many life-term appointed judges, including two conservative Supreme Court Judges he should not have had the opportunity to appoint
My taxes last year were approximately $8,000 higher due to not being able to deduct things that I used to be able to
My neighbor told me yesterday that he was afraid to put a political yard sign up due to fear of vandalism
Blatant lies are now Presidential acts
Only a little less than half our country has abandoned Democracy and actively seek Oligarchy

.. so, ya.. more than just "anything" has changed... some very important things have changed for the worse that are very hard to change back.

Fuck all that. Just sleep with a gun under your pillow. Sure hope this doesn't come to lots of dead bodies but there are worse things.

A gun is in the nightstand.. under the pillow is just silly. But to mitigate the issue, I voted. The gun is for potential home invaders. The vote was for actual national invaders.

T.G.G. Moogly said:
Fuck all that.

I guess the correct response to that would be, "Fuck your feelings too".
 

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It's no mystery why Clownstick is acting out. Right now all his businesses are in the tank and he owes a lot of money. His MO has always been to screw his lenders, he's even suing Deutsche Bank so he can keep their millions too. He's fucked if he's not president and able to call the shots. It will soon be Little Donny out of a job and back into court. Getting himself elected was never anything more than a business decision for him anyway.
 

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It's no mystery why Clownstick is acting out. Right now all his businesses are in the tank and he owes a lot of money. His MO has always been to screw his lenders, he's even suing Deutsche Bank so he can keep their millions too. He's fucked if he's not president and able to call the shots. It will soon be Little Donny out of a job and back into court. Getting himself elected was never anything more than a business decision for him anyway.

I don't think he ever expected to actually win.
 

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It's no mystery why Clownstick is acting out. Right now all his businesses are in the tank and he owes a lot of money. His MO has always been to screw his lenders, he's even suing Deutsche Bank so he can keep their millions too. He's fucked if he's not president and able to call the shots. It will soon be Little Donny out of a job and back into court. Getting himself elected was never anything more than a business decision for him anyway.

I don't think he ever expected to actually win.

Yabut now that he has the Nazi Party by the short and curlies, he's not going to let go.
They say that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Now we get to see what limited power does to the absolutely corrupt.
 

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He's already into his next caper, collecting money from supporters. Lots of emails going out asking for donations to fund the recount lawsuits. Problem is if you read the fine print that's not where the money is going, unless you like to make a donation in the thousands. If you send in a hundred bucks it just goes into Dumph's pocket.

The guy has a great business, taking money from people.
 

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I've heard predictions he will start an online subscription network of political BS spreading and adulation seeking.
 

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Trump told advisers he could announce 2024 bid shortly after certification of Biden win: report | TheHill
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Trump Floats Improbable Survival Scenarios as He Ponders His Future - The New York Times
There is no grand strategy. President Trump is simply trying to survive from one news cycle to the next.

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“He knows it’s over,” one adviser said. But instead of conceding, they said, he is floating one improbable scenario after another for staying in office while he contemplates his uncertain post-presidency future.

There is no grand strategy at play, according to interviews with a half-dozen advisers and people close to the president. Mr. Trump is simply trying to survive from one news cycle to the next, seeing how far he can push his case against his defeat and ensure the continued support of his Republican base.

By dominating the story of his exit from the White House, he hopes to keep his millions of supporters energized and engaged for whatever comes next.
Dominating it by acting like a big baby.
Advisers said his efforts were in keeping with one of his favorite pastimes: creating a controversy and watching to see how it plays out.

As a next step, Mr. Trump is talking seriously about announcing that he is planning to run again in 2024, aware that whether he actually does it or not, it will freeze an already-crowded field of possible Republican candidates. And, Republicans say, it will keep the wide support he showed even in defeat and could guarantee a lucrative book deal or speaking fees.
He is hoping to go the way of  Grover Cleveland. He was the only President ever to serve non-consecutive terms, in 1885–1889 and in 1893–1897. That makes him a President with two sequence numbers: 22 and 24. The interruption was from his losing the 1888 Presidential election.
A peaceful transition is not as much on Mr. Trump’s mind right now as settling scores both inside and outside the administration.

White House advisers have sent warnings to any government employees who might be looking for other jobs, have placed loyalists in the upper ranks of the Pentagon, and have been open to calls for intelligence officials to declassify documents related to the investigation into a possible conspiracy between the Trump campaign in 2016 and Russian officials.
Warnings like this: Trump staffers face firing threats if they hunt for new jobs: reports - Business Insider
What pettiness.
 

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Trump told advisers he could announce 2024 bid shortly after certification of Biden win: report | TheHill
According to interviews with half a dozen advisers and others close to Trump, the president has no larger strategy to continue denying the election results in several key battleground states, but is instead hoping to maintain support from his base as he considers what he will do once he leaves the Oval Office.

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Other prominent Republicans seen as having decent chances of leading the party's next ticket include two of Trump's 2016 rivals, former Ohio Gov. John Kasich and Sen. Ted Cruz (Texas), as well as other current members of the Senate Republican Conference such as Sens. Josh Hawley (Mo.) and Tim Scott (S.C.).

Trump is also considering starting his own streaming media channel to compete directly with Fox News, Axios reported Thursday, according to sources with knowledge of the plans.

Trump privately discussing 2024 run - Axios
 

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Is Trump going to do all this from a New York State prison? I can’t imagine he’ll be paroled before 2024. He’ll possibly be facing insurance fraud, criminal tax evasion, grand larceny, and scheming to defraud.
 

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Is Trump going to do all this from a New York State prison? I can’t imagine he’ll be paroled before 2024. He’ll possibly be facing insurance fraud, criminal tax evasion, grand larceny, and scheming to defraud.

I'm sorry, but you failed to correctly name the charges. See, all those offenses he did are *.-while-white-and-wealthy.

The maximum penalties for these things are "slap on the wrist with a limo noodle".
 

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Is Trump going to do all this from a New York State prison? I can’t imagine he’ll be paroled before 2024. He’ll possibly be facing insurance fraud, criminal tax evasion, grand larceny, and scheming to defraud.

I'm sorry, but you failed to correctly name the charges. See, all those offenses he did are *.-while-white-and-wealthy.

The maximum penalties for these things are "slap on the wrist with a limo noodle".

The fact that you want a rich white man to get a slap on the wrist is dictator level behaviour on par with what Hitler did. :mad:
 
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