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TomC said:
Cheerful Charlie said:
The whole Trump drama has it all. Lies, treachery, backstabbing, villainy, threats, evil, and stupidity.
Its like a real life Game Of Thrones but with less whores and no dragons.
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Well we've got Stormy and Melania for whores and Giuliani for a dragon. Not too far off.
Tom
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I suppose if a fire breathing dragon used hair dye, it would run too. So I see where you’re coming from.
 
TomC said:
Cheerful Charlie said:
The whole Trump drama has it all. Lies, treachery, backstabbing, villainy, threats, evil, and stupidity.
Its like a real life Game Of Thrones but with less whores and no dragons.
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Well we've got Stormy and Melania for whores and Giuliani for a dragon. Not too far off.
Tom
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And if Trump had his way there'd be some incest happening as well.
 
Cheato sez: “Violence depends on if I win or lose.”

I really hope someone takes that stupid fuck OUT.
 
What is next for Trump? More investigations of wrong doing. More charges filed. More court cases.
Shake downs and bribe solicitation for starters.

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Former President Donald Trump recently made a controversial proposal to a gathering of oil executives and lobbyists at his Mar-a-Lago residence in Florida: favorable policy in exchange for $1 billion in campaign cash.
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www.rawstory.com

'Mighty damn corrupt': Senate likely to investigate Trump’s 'quid pro quo' with oil barons

Former President Donald Trump recently made a controversial proposal to a gathering of oil executives and lobbyists at his Mar-a-Lago residence in Florida: favorable policy in exchange for $1 billion in campaign cash. Now, it looks as if the U.S. Senate may launch an official inquiry into the...
www.rawstory.com www.rawstory.com
 
Cheerful Charlie said:
What is next for Trump? More investigations of wrong doing. More charges filed. More court cases.
Shake downs and bribe solicitation for starters.

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Former President Donald Trump recently made a controversial proposal to a gathering of oil executives and lobbyists at his Mar-a-Lago residence in Florida: favorable policy in exchange for $1 billion in campaign cash.
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www.rawstory.com

'Mighty damn corrupt': Senate likely to investigate Trump’s 'quid pro quo' with oil barons

Former President Donald Trump recently made a controversial proposal to a gathering of oil executives and lobbyists at his Mar-a-Lago residence in Florida: favorable policy in exchange for $1 billion in campaign cash. Now, it looks as if the U.S. Senate may launch an official inquiry into the...
www.rawstory.com www.rawstory.com
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Unfortunately, our laws seem to be very tolerant of this kind of wink-wink quid pro quo. By another name, campaign contributions from wealthy donors would be called bribery. Trump just has a habit of saying the quiet part out loud. His family always bought favors from politicians to help them with their real estate dealings. Campaign contributions were the primary conduit for the bribes, and they generally got what they asked for from New York City politicians--both Democrats and Republicans. Trump has explained in the past that he never just gave money to politicians. He always knew what he expected as a return on his investment.
 
Elixir said:
Copernicus said:
Unfortunately, our laws seem to be very tolerant of this kind of wink-wink quid pro quo.
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Yabut they kinda forgot the wink wink part.
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It seems that the most corrupt have gotten accustomed to privilege and immunity to the point that they don't bother hiding crimes anymore.
Tom
 
More sleaze from Trump.

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  • Former President Donald Trump may owe over $100 million in taxes due to an IRS inquiry into his claims of massive losses on his Chicago skyscraper.
  • Trump's lawyers enabled further claims of losses by shifting the Chicago tower into a new partnership, resulting in potential tax-reducing losses of $168 million over the next decade.
  • The IRS audit into Trump's Chicago tower loss claims, which could result in a tax bill of more than $100 million, was confirmed to still be underway in a December 2022 congressional report.
  • .....
www.yahoo.com

New York Times: Trump could owe more than $100 million in taxes as a result of IRS inquiry

Former President Donald Trump could owe more than $100 million in taxes as a result of a yearslong Internal Revenue Service inquiry into claims of huge losses on his Chicago skyscraper, The New York Times and ProPublica reported Saturday.
www.yahoo.com www.yahoo.com
 
Copernicus said:
Cheerful Charlie said:
Former President Donald Trump recently made a controversial proposal to a gathering of oil executives and lobbyists at his Mar-a-Lago residence in Florida: favorable policy in exchange for $1 billion in campaign cash.
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Unfortunately, our laws seem to be very tolerant of this kind of wink-wink quid pro quo. By another name, campaign contributions from wealthy donors would be called bribery. Trump just has a habit of saying the quiet part out loud. ...
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Not even offering the  Francis Bacon defense: sure I took bribes but I didn't let them influence me.

Here is a politician who called campaign contributions "bribery": Kyrsten Sinema. That was when she was starting out in politics, however. Late in her career, she solicited big-donor campaign contributions with an eagerness that would have seemed intolerably corrupt to her earlier self.
 
lpetrich said:
Copernicus said:
Cheerful Charlie said:
Former President Donald Trump recently made a controversial proposal to a gathering of oil executives and lobbyists at his Mar-a-Lago residence in Florida: favorable policy in exchange for $1 billion in campaign cash.
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Unfortunately, our laws seem to be very tolerant of this kind of wink-wink quid pro quo. By another name, campaign contributions from wealthy donors would be called bribery. Trump just has a habit of saying the quiet part out loud. ...
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Not even offering the  Francis Bacon defense: sure I took bribes but I didn't let them influence me.

Here is a politician who called campaign contributions "bribery": Kyrsten Sinema. That was when she was starting out in politics, however. Late in her career, she solicited big-donor campaign contributions with an eagerness that would have seemed intolerably corrupt to her earlier self.
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As it turns out, tolerably corrupt.
 
I found this compendium of the sorts of things that Donald Trump likes to talk about in his speeches:

Lemon Sturgis! on X: "Trump speeches are nothing if not predictable. ..." / X
Trump speeches are nothing if not predictable. The tired lines are all too familiar 👇:

• Issues vague doomsday predictions, e.g., "If I'm not elected, you're going to have World War III," without detailing preventive measures.

• Claims exclusive rapport with global strongmen, asserting that only he commands their respect while others are "laughed at."

• Defines any dissenting Republicans as "RINOs" or operatives of the "Deep State."

• Promises major announcements or policy reveals "in two weeks," often without follow-through.

• Fixates on crowd sizes as a measure of popularity and legitimacy, often exaggerating attendance figures.

• Prefaces controversial statements with "a lot of people are saying" to lend unsubstantiated credibility to personal opinions.

• Draws grandiose self-comparisons to historical figures, often exaggerating personal achievements beyond reasonable measure, e.g., "I've done more for Black people than anyone, maybe Lincoln"

• Grossly inflates support metrics, e.g., "75% of the country is MAGA" or "I'd win California in a fair election."

• Dismisses unfavorable coverage as "fake news.”

• Proposes sweeping, simplistic solutions exclusively in slogan form to complex problems, e.g., "Drill, baby, drill," without acknowledging existing efforts or practical limitations.

• Boasts of fantastical, unattained goals as near-certainties had his term continued, e.g., "Paying off the debt” or “Negotiating a better Iran Nuclear Deal”

• Assigns childish, derogatory nicknames to opponents, e.g., "Pencil Neck Adam Schiff," to undermine their credibility.

• Portrays U.S. leadership as incompetent rubes constantly outwitted by savvy foreign powers that he is the lone correction to.

• Gleefully amplifies negative national news, treating setbacks as personal vindication rather than cause for concern.

• Endorses fringe political figures, e.g., "MTG is a rising star!" or "Laura Loomer tells it like it is!"

• Romanticizes January 6th and its perpetrators as patriots.

• Dismisses legal actions as politically motivated persecution, ignoring grand jury and jury decisions.

• Victimizes himself as among the most persecuted figures in history.

• Declares elections fraudulent without evidence.

• Says something racist, like questioning Kamala Harris's multiracial identity.

• Feigns ignorance on controversial topics to avoid accountability, like that he doesn’t know what QAnon is.
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What megalomania.

How can other Republicans put up with him?
 
I was very annoyed when Jake Tapper and Dana Bash refused to fact-check Donald Trump when he debated Joe Biden in late June. But since the ex-President lies like a rug, they might have had to spend much of the debate's time fact-checking him.

Lemon Sturgis! on X: "Critical questions reporters should ask Trump: ..." / X
Critical questions reporters should ask Trump:

• You claimed to hire "the best people" but many, including Mattis, Bolton, Pence, Esper, Milley have rebuked you. Why do these "best people" oppose you, and if they're not the best, why did you hire them?

• How do you reconcile your 'drain the swamp' promise with the felony convictions of Manafort, Stone, Cohen, Bannon, and Flynn?

• You've claimed you could end the war in Ukraine "within 24 hours." What exactly is your plan in specific terms? Does it involve redrawing Ukraine's borders? If it doesn't, what's your plan B when Russia predictably rejects it?

• You've promised to bring prices down dramatically. Given that rapid deflation historically only happens during economic crashes, as seen in the Great Depression, can you explain in precise, economic terms how you'll achieve this without devastating the economy?

• You've claimed the 2020 election was rigged, but your own DHS called it the "most secure in American history" and your Attorney General Bill Barr said there was no evidence of widespread fraud that could change the outcome. Are all these people, who you appointed, lying or incompetent?

• Doesn't your advocacy for police indemnification, which logically precludes prosecuting abusive officers, mean that people like Derek Chauvin could kill with impunity?

• Given you lost California by a massive 29% margin in 2020, how do you justify claiming you would've won the state in a "fair election"?

• Polls consistently show significant support for Roe, so what's the basis for your claim that legal experts and the public at large wanted it overturned?

• Your ex-VP, previously a firm supporter, accuses you of attempting to override the Constitution for your own personal benefit. How can you ask for American support given this unprecedented rebuke?

• You've alleged rigging in the 2016 Iowa caucuses, 2016 popular vote, and 2020 election. Is there any election you've lost that wasn't a grand conspiracy against you?

• In Helsinki in 2018, you sided with Vladimir Putin over U.S. intelligence on election interference, saying "I don't see any reason why it would be Russia." Why do you trust the word of a murderous dictator over the unanimous conclusions of your own intelligence agencies?

• After the Capitol attack, you told rioters "we love you, you're very special." Do you condemn political violence or stand by your praise of insurrectionists?

• Your "university" was a sham that scammed students and your "charity" was forced to dissolve due to rampant misconduct. Why should voters overlook this pattern of grifting and fraud?

• Your company was convicted of criminal tax fraud. Your CFO pled guilty to grand larceny and tax fraud. How can you present yourself as a paragon of law and order in light of this lawlessness within your organization?

• You've claimed to be a successful businessman, yet your companies have filed for bankruptcy six times, including the Trump Taj Mahal in 1991 and Trump Plaza Hotel in 1992. Your Atlantic City casinos lost $3.4 billion over three decades. Why should Americans trust you with the nation's several trillion annual budget?

• You've claimed Putin wouldn't have dared invade under your presidency, but your first instinct was to praise the invasion as 'genius' and 'savvy.' Why would have Putin refrained given your response?

• Do you believe the Founders, who rebelled against King George III, meant for the president to have the same unaccountable powers as a king? After all, you claim presidents should have total immunity, even in instances that cross the line.
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lpetrich said:
I was very annoyed when Jake Tapper and Dana Bash refused to fact-check Donald Trump when he debated Joe Biden in late June. But since the ex-President lies like a rug, they might have had to spend much of the debate's time fact-checking him.

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for me it was not as much the lack of fact checking as them letting him avoid the questions. What’s the point in having questions if they don’t even attempt to answer? They should have just cut the microphones anytime a candidate didn’t address the question. Keep asking and if they don’t answer just move on to the next question. If that ends up with him not speaking at all then so be it. We don’t need to hear a Trump rally, we need him to answer real questions.
 
Fact-checking a Gish galloper in realtime is virtually impossible. They just said they would do it to appease those complaining about having a debate with Trump.
 
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