Study Finds No Gay Gene. Will Leftists Accept Science Or Still Go With Their Feelings?

[ronburgundy]

The report says it is many genes instead of one. That actually rather badly undermines your point.

It's almost as if humans are complicated creatures and sexuality is complicated.

But, don't you find it strange that homosexuality used to be listed as a mental illness until the homosexual community complained, whined, and cried, so they took it off the list of mental disorders? I find that fascinating as well.

You also say "it's many genes" but they couldn't find ANY gay gene. And you think this means there's multiple gay genes??? Good grief!

Guess what? The same results also mean there is no straight gene. By your reasoning, this means that genes play no role in causing most males and females to want to have sex with each other. Do you accept that conclusion, or is this your standard dishonesty of pretending to care about science only when you lie about and distort it's findings to fit your bigotry?

Almost no complex human behavior has a single gene responsible, whether "intelligence", parenting, etc..
Numerous interacting genes are usually involved, and this study does nothing to say that isn't the case with homosexuality. So this study merely confirms what we already knew was the least implausible and uncommon type of genetic determinism for a complex behavior .

Plus, genes are not the only thing that shapes biology which in turn influences behavior. Exposure to maternal hormones during pregnancy has huge impact on brain development, and is considered a very plausible candidate for a source of influence on sexual orientation as well as on transgenderism.

What is hilarious is that I saw that study elsewhere and came here wonder which of scientifically illiterate bigots rushed to post it here and pretend it means that homosexuality is a choice.

 

[TV and credit cards]

Just being gay is a choice? You’d be on better footing if you said sexuality was a choice. But no, the running narrative is, homosexuality is a choice and it’s the wrong choice. So, when was this choice made? Adolescence I take it. In that age when we rebel against our parents and that tongue piercing just isn’t getting all the response we expected. Oddly, we never grow out of our gayness. I’ve never heard of anyone growing out of being gay or getting tired of being gay. They just keep on being gay. Obstinate fuckers, aren’t they?
Who knows what causes hetero or homosexuality and all the shades of grey in between?
You’re offended seeing two men kiss? I’m offended by people sticking their nose in other people’s business. I’m most highly offended by people sticking their nose in the most intimate aspect of their lives.
As with so many social aspects that offend conservative Christians, mind your own fucking business.

 

[Jarhyn]

More, I'm curious as to why people being gay is such a big deal for these assholes. Like, seriously, it's not like gay people want to have sex with them (especially after finding out they hate gay people). I mean, shit, from the perspective of a straight person, being gay has absolutely zero impact on their lives. I understand more why certain people harass others over being 'child-free' more (because misery loves company, and it validates all the suffering if others also do it).

The only thing that comes to mind as to why people who hate gays need so badly for it to be a choice is so that they or someone they have rejected in their family can have "made that choice" and it can either be their balm for turning away from things they want for themselves or their mantra to convince them their rejection of family and/or friends "isn't their fault".

It's a hand-wave at guilt and self-torture. It's an attempt to say that all that suffering and conflict is OK because "religion". But in order to justify it without even more guilt or pain, they have to go all in: if they reject themselves or another, they have to do it to everyone. Apparently that's supposed to be less painful than just letting go and admitting you were wrong?

Gosh... The number of times I've admitted (or at least eventually accepted for myself) that I was wrong I couldn't count on all the stars of the heavens! It's like a little child afraid of bee stings and mosquito bites.

Oh I get it, they must be allergic to being wrong? Or maybe they're just narcissistic cowards.

 

[Keith&Co.]

More, I'm curious as to why people being gay is such a big deal for these assholes.

Well, it lets God off the hook.
If people are born gay, then it doesn't make sense for God to punish them for that, any more than to punish people for a certain eye color or to ostracize all left-handed people.
If it's a CHOICE, though, then The Gay rejected God, and it's perfectly okay for God to demand that they burn in hell for doing so. God being the guy of infinite mercy and love, the one who invented Hell for his children...

 

[Jarhyn]

More, I'm curious as to why people being gay is such a big deal for these assholes.

Well, it lets God off the hook.
If people are born gay, then it doesn't make sense for God to punish them for that, any more than to punish people for a certain eye color or to ostracize all left-handed people.
If it's a CHOICE, though, then The Gay rejected God, and it's perfectly okay for God to demand that they burn in hell for doing so. God being the guy of infinite mercy and love, the one who invented Hell for his children...

Yeah. Every time I go down the rabbit hole of what a powerful being would use that kind of rhetoric for, I see something ugly. A heaven for believers where everyone is blissful beyond compare? That sounds like an infinite opium den, a place where you lose what you are. The only things that do that in nature or literature do it to eat you (see: pitcher plant, opium dens, heroin addiction). From the "cosmic pitcher plant" model, though, I can see how a doctrine of "hell" would be useful. It would drive people away from the desire to be free from the thing seeking to eat them.

Of course, I turn away from opiates because I prefer my suffering: it brings value to the challenges of my life and meaning to my successes. The only times I've not are after getting teeth cut out of my head and being literally tentacle-fucked through a wound by a robot, inflated, and then had mesh grafted around my ball-strings (remember kids, lift from the knees). At this point, I think I'm done with tooth extraction and Tentacles on the wrong side of my guts.

 

[Gun Nut]

The report says it is many genes instead of one. That actually rather badly undermines your point.

It's almost as if humans are complicated creatures and sexuality is complicated.

But, don't you find it strange that homosexuality used to be listed as a mental illness until the homosexual community complained, whined, and cried, so they took it off the list of mental disorders? I find that fascinating as well.

You also say "it's many genes" but they couldn't find ANY gay gene. And you think this means there's multiple gay genes??? Good grief!

They didn't fine one gene because it turned out to be a combination of genes as well as environmental factors. It isn't "multiple gay genes", it is "multiple genes that have an overall effect in determining sexuality".

Do I find it strange that homosexuality used to be a mental illness? No, I've known for a very long time that people are stupid.

Handedness works this way too... There are many genes that contribute to which hand a person favors for certain types of tasks... and environmental factors (when I was growing up, being left-handed was a "disability" in a way... it was discouraged and children were forced to use their "off-hand" if they were lefties). Much like homosexuality.
If you are left handed, then you know a little something about being gay.. in terms of it being complicated, on a spectrum, and partially genetic and partially environmental... and demonized in society (in the past).

 

[Jarhyn]

They didn't fine one gene because it turned out to be a combination of genes as well as environmental factors. It isn't "multiple gay genes", it is "multiple genes that have an overall effect in determining sexuality".

Do I find it strange that homosexuality used to be a mental illness? No, I've known for a very long time that people are stupid.

Handedness works this way too... There are many genes that contribute to which hand a person favors for certain types of tasks... and environmental factors (when I was growing up, being left-handed was a "disability" in a way... it was discouraged and children were forced to use their "off-hand" if they were lefties). Much like homosexuality.
If you are left handed, then you know a little something about being gay.. in terms of it being complicated, on a spectrum, and partially genetic and partially environmental... and demonized in society (in the past).

Man, I'm a gay "born leftie".

I know both these pains. I can kind of empathize with the gay people who have lived the lie of acting straight for years. I now am stuck with bad dexterity in my writing hand, as I was "strongly encouraged" to work with my right hand, and now I am an adult where developing my left hand would be practically futile.

I can imagine how it must be for someone who feels trapped in the momentum of pretending to be straight, without the skills or culture or life situation necessary to seek a healthy, open relationship, or worse, a life of unsatisfying loveless relationships that seem good enough because they've never known what else life has to offer... Trapped by their own momentum.

Not good at being "straight" but too committed (family? Marriage?) to be "gay"... What a curse that life must be!

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

Just being gay is a choice? You’d be on better footing if you said sexuality was a choice. But no, the running narrative is, homosexuality is a choice and it’s the wrong choice. So, when was this choice made? Adolescence I take it. In that age when we rebel against our parents and that tongue piercing just isn’t getting all the response we expected. Oddly, we never grow out of our gayness. I’ve never heard of anyone growing out of being gay or getting tired of being gay. They just keep on being gay. Obstinate fuckers, aren’t they?
Who knows what causes hetero or homosexuality and all the shades of grey in between?
You’re offended seeing two men kiss? I’m offended by people sticking their nose in other people’s business. I’m most highly offended by people sticking their nose in the most intimate aspect of their lives.
As with so many social aspects that offend conservative Christians, mind your own fucking business.

1 Peter 4:15
¹⁵ But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters.