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You need to keep your story straight on whether you hate gays or not.
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Study Finds No Gay Gene. Will Leftists Accept Science Or Still Go With Their Feelings?
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You need to keep your story straight on whether you hate gays or not.
The AntiChris
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What's the problem with "it" being a "choice"?
Derec
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Beats me.
But everybody, gay or not, can attest that sexual attraction is not a choice. Sexual behavior is a choice, though. And one people should be able to freely make in a free society.
It means you are cheering for people to not have kids of their own, which is regressive, not progressive.
zorq
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Huh?
Can you trace that train of thought for me I'm having a hard time. The following is my attempt...
So... if sexual attraction is really a choice... and ... "the left" is okay with gay people... then the left is cheering for gay people to not reproduce... and... that is ... regressive? Because having fewer people in a crowded world with limited resources is ... a bad thing????
I just don't get it.
[Edit] I posted and then saw a perfect reflection of my internal confusion in the picture blastula just posted. I almost thought the bulletin board had picked up on by confusion and catalyzed and refined my post into an image that more appropriately captures my bewilderment and dismay. [/edit]
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Have you ever heard of IVF? You just need egg, sperm and somebody to tote the embryo.
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Well to criticize the Left where criticism is due, they want the developed countries, where birth rates are already low, to have even fewer children, but are fine with high birthrate third world countries like Gaza, Somalia or Honduras to have as many kids as possible.
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genesis 1:28:
"God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.""
jesus freaks take that as a direct moral obligation to shit out as many squalling baskets of crotch fruit as humanly possible, and failure to pump spawn out of a woman's vagina like it's a t-shirt cannon is tantamount to direct defiance of god's will, and thus the most base moral corruption it's spiritually possible to have.
simply extrapolate from their posts and it's very obvious what would motivate someone like H-L to take such umbrage with gays and straight people who don't breed.
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or 'the left' (because obviously that's a singular monolithic hivemind) is generally comprised of white people from developed nations, which quite frankly suggests a certain level of insular naval gazing because that's how human brains work.
thus, birth rates within the environments they're familiar with are of more direct concern, while what happens in in areas that are still largely pre-industrial just falls outside of their ability to actively hold in their empathy bubble.
because again, that's how human brains work.
it's kind of like how even you, with your seemingly limitless capacity to shit your pants over the news, isn't defecating yourself daily over gun laws in belarus - there comes a point where you just can't keep everything in your head at all times.
zorq
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Huh... and here I thought "the Left" was more about letting ALL people have as many or as few people as they want to have. Do you meet a lot of lefties who want to restrict birth control in developing nations? I don't. Standing in the way of family planning is a rather conservative position, IMO.
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Gene Rayburn wasn't gay? I thought he was super-tight with Paul Lynde.
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Mental illness also used to be considered demon possession. Like in other areas, as knowledge and understanding grew, incorrect views were dropped.
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So Halfie, if we accept your stupid idea that being gay is a choice, what is the next step? Shunning? Beating? Stoning to death? What is the purpose of your "othering"?
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That, and a desperate fear that his sexuality might be something HE cannot control. If it's genetic, he or one if his heroes might be one Mai Tai away from waking up in bed with Grizzly Adams. So it MUST be a choice, so HE will never have to fac vthe scorn he heaps on those wilfull others....
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You've never run across people and thought to yourself "I hope they don't breed"?
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"Twins? No, they're not fucking twins! That's goddamned stupid! They don't even fucking look like twins! Why the fuck would you think they're twins, you moron?"
"Well, ma'am, i just cannot imagine anyone being drunk enough to fuck you twice. Have a nice day."
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That is not at all how homosexuality came to be removed from the DSM.
And you obviously didn't read the report, which states quite clearly in its abstract that there are a whole array of genes associated with homosexuality, at least five.
And no one who understands genetics ever said that there was a singular "gay gene"; we've known that there must be epigenetic factors for as long as we've long that epigenetic factors even existed.
And rights shouldn't be based on biology in the first place. The "Left" are not the ones obsessed with limiting the rights of citizens based on genetic background. Fuck you and the lame-ass yellow horse you road in on if you think my right to marry or find employment or determine my medical affairs should be based on a DNA test. Those are my rights as a citizen, not my rights as a straight-and-or-mutant.
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Um....no. i have three sons.
One is gay.
I have high hopes for grandchilluns from all three of them.
Gay DOES NOT MEAN they can never have children. Hasn't since at least the 70s to my certain knowledge (that was when all those married guys with children were coming out of the closet).
So,1) no that is NOT what we are cheering for
2) gays-marrying-and-having-kids us pretty damned progressive
3) it's a three day weekend