Stupidest argument about why Jesus is black yet ...

[zorq]

Really? Can you elaborate on what she was saying and how it makes sense to you?

I don't have to. See below.*

Also, this is more of an Easter themed Jesus poem than a Christmas one, so complaints about how it is the wrong season aren't quite as valid. Not that Christians ever need an excuse to talk about Jesus.

- It is usually around Christmastime that things like identity of Jesus get talked about. Megyn Kelly's original statement happened around Christmastime two and a half years ago. Nothing like a timely response.
- Easter is over too, unless she is Orthodox which I doubt.

As for how racist it is, I figure it's just as racist as Megan Kelly's assertion that Jesus was white.

Kelly's was a mere statement of (likely) fact. The "poem" was filled with racial animosity: how dare white people say that Jesus was white, how dare white people call Brooklyn home. Etc.

* It sounds like you are following her just fine. I don't need to prove she's comprehensible because you clearly comprehend her.

As she identifies in the poem, Kelly's "mere statement of fact" implies the exact same sentiment. ie. "How silly of people to think that Santa and Jesus are anything but White?" Or else, why would she have said it?

Nobody knows what color Jesus's skin was. Allegedly half of his DNA came from some supernatural Whoziwhatsitdoosit, so for all I know his skin was green with purple stripes. It sounds like the kind of thing all the editors and interpreters of the ancient bible documents would deliberately leave out.

If Jesus was real, he would have had human DNA. If he is fictional, nothing in the stories indicate he looked any different than people around him. So he was unlikely to be subsaharan African, aka black. He probably looked like other Jews of the region, which would be classified as white.

Yes there is a difference between hypothetical real world Jesus and magical religious Jesus. I was talking about magical Jesus because that's who the woman in the video was talking about. Christians only ever talk about magical Jesus. Magical Jesus is the spawn of Mary and supernatural Whoziwhatsitdoosit. My point was who knows what color Magical Jesus was because we don't know what color a supernatural Whoziwhatsitdoosit is.

But what color is hypothetical real world Jesus? (Not that it matters because that's not who this woman was talking about) If real world Jesus even existed, I have a strong reason to believe that he was either a liar or a lunatic. Which makes all of his alleged back story just as suspect as his miracles. Was hypothetical real world Jesus even born from a woman named Mary? Who knows? Was he black? Who knows? With no real lineage provided, we can't tell. But who here cares?

Finally, it's a POEM. It's not a scientific article. Who cares? Was she even being literal? We don't know.

She seemed very adamant that the very idea that Jesus is anything but black is some soft of sacrilege.

--Much like Kelly?

So I think she literally believes it.

That's the answer to the wrong question. The question isn't whether she literally believes it. Most Christians literally believe everything they say. The question is: does she believe it LITERALLY? Is she saying that she knows that Jesus's skin was black (literal) or is she saying that Jesus was a "black man" (metaphorical) who suffered like modern black men do in America.

In fact it is a common belief among black supremacists and racists, although it does not usually use quite as stupid arguments.
As to who cares, several "progressive" outlets have written about it and praise her "reasoning". So I thought it was prudent to expose its vacuousness.

Perhaps the blind presumption that Jesus was white, which is even more prevalent among White supremacists, is exactly what she was trying to expose.

Why an atheist like Derec is so convinced Jesus was white is beyond me. (Unless he has some racial hangups that are overriding his ability to reason)

Because the idea that he was black is ridiculous and really based on black supremacist ideology. It is those who claim he was black who have racial hangups, I am merely exposing them.

Your arguments are mirrors of the ones you claim to "expose." In truth BOTH sides likely have racial hangups.

 

[James Brown]

I am more confused about why anyone on this board would care what this woman thinks.

"Someone (that I especially Don't Like) is Wrong on the Internet."

 

[Keith&Co.]

I find it surprising that anyone on an atheist discussion forum cares what race Jesus might have been.

Is it Jesus' race that's drawing the attention? Or the basis of the arguments thrown in either direction that's got people poking holes?

 

[laughing dog]

I find it surprising that anyone on an atheist discussion forum cares what race Jesus might have been.

Is it Jesus' race that's drawing the attention? Or the basis of the arguments thrown in either direction that's got people poking holes?

Complaining or arguing over Jesus's race in an atheists forum is comparable to debating Frodo's shoe size in an anthropology forum: it shouldn't matter to anyone.

 

[SimpleDon]

I find it surprising that anyone on an atheist discussion forum cares what race Jesus might have been. But why don't I find it surprising that Derec is denying the possibility that Jesus might have been black.

Derec seems to be incapable of approaching any subject with anything but his self-limiting, (black and white)² views.

Everything with him is race and absolutes.

 

[SimpleDon]

Is it Jesus' race that's drawing the attention? Or the basis of the arguments thrown in either direction that's got people poking holes?

Complaining or arguing over Jesus's race in an atheists forum is comparable to debating Frodo's shoe size in an anthropology forum: it shouldn't matter to anyone.

18 DDD.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

I find it surprising that anyone on an atheist discussion forum cares what race Jesus might have been.

Is it Jesus' race that's drawing the attention? Or the basis of the arguments thrown in either direction that's got people poking holes?

Neither.

 

[Malintent]

Is it Jesus' race that's drawing the attention? Or the basis of the arguments thrown in either direction that's got people poking holes?

Complaining or arguing over Jesus's race in an atheists forum is comparable to debating Frodo's shoe size in an anthropology forum: it shouldn't matter to anyone.

It matters when laws are made limiting the right to marry to only people with a specific shoe size.
It matters when laws are made allowing my tax dollars to be spent erecting a giant statue of a shoe at city hall

It fucking matters...

 

[Malintent]

I find it surprising that anyone on an atheist discussion forum cares what race Jesus might have been. But why don't I find it surprising that Derec is denying the possibility that Jesus might have been black.

Did he? Can you please quote where you are getting that from? Derec rejected her argument.. can you find the reason in his post? hint: it wasn't because he 'knows' that jesus is pink (or white or whatever).

THAT is the (obvious) point of this discussion... that the argument made is racist and ignorant.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Complaining or arguing over Jesus's race in an atheists forum is comparable to debating Frodo's shoe size in an anthropology forum: it shouldn't matter to anyone.

It matters when laws are made limiting the right to marry to only people with a specific shoe size.
It matters when laws are made allowing my tax dollars to be spent erecting a giant statue of a shoe at city hall

It fucking matters...

How many Jesus statues are at city halls in the US?

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Complaining or arguing over Jesus's race in an atheists forum is comparable to debating Frodo's shoe size in an anthropology forum: it shouldn't matter to anyone.

It matters when laws are made limiting the right to marry to only people with a specific shoe size.
It matters when laws are made allowing my tax dollars to be spent erecting a giant statue of a shoe at city hall

It fucking matters...

So you only want to pay for a white jesus with a small shoe size wrapped in a confederate flag??????

 

[laughing dog]

I find it surprising that anyone on an atheist discussion forum cares what race Jesus might have been. But why don't I find it surprising that Derec is denying the possibility that Jesus might have been black.

Did he? Can you please quote where you are getting that from? Derec rejected her argument.. can you find the reason in his post? hint: it wasn't because he 'knows' that jesus is pink (or white or whatever).

THAT is the (obvious) point of this discussion... that the argument made is racist and ignorant.

I grant you are an expert on racist and ignorant arguments. Obviousl you missed this gem from post #18
“Because the idea that he was black is ridiculous”.

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Complaining or arguing over Jesus's race in an atheists forum is comparable to debating Frodo's shoe size in an anthropology forum: it shouldn't matter to anyone.

It matters when laws are made limiting the right to marry to only people with a specific shoe size.
It matters when laws are made allowing my tax dollars to be spent erecting a giant statue of a shoe at city hall

It fucking matters...

WTF are you babbling about? Frodo did not exist. No one is discussing passing laws based on his alleged shoe size. Please get a grip on reality.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Complaining or arguing over Jesus's race in an atheists forum is comparable to debating Frodo's shoe size in an anthropology forum: it shouldn't matter to anyone.

It matters when laws are made limiting the right to marry to only people with a specific shoe size.
It matters when laws are made allowing my tax dollars to be spent erecting a giant statue of a shoe at city hall

It fucking matters...

WTF are you babbling about? Frodo did not exist. No one is discussing passing laws based on his alleged shoe size. Please get a grip on reality.

Nor are laws regarding Christianity being based on the skin color of Jesus.

 

[ZiprHead]

It is most commonly argued that Jesus was probably of Middle Eastern descent because of the geographic location of the events described in the Gospels, and, among some modern Christian scholars, the genealogy ascribed to him. For this reason, he has been portrayed as an olive-skinned individual typical of the Levant region. In 2001, a new attempt was made to discover what the true race and face of Jesus might have been. The study, sponsored by the BBC, France 3 and Discovery Channel,[56] used one of three first-century Jewish skulls from a leading department of forensic science in Israel. A face was constructed using forensic anthropology by Richard Neave, a retired medical artist from the Unit of Art in Medicine at the University of Manchester.[57] The face that Neave constructed suggested that Jesus would have had a broad face and large nose, and differed significantly from the traditional depictions of Jesus in renaissance art.[52]

Additional information about Jesus's skin color and hair was provided by Mark Goodacre, a senior lecturer at the Department of Theology and Religion at the University of Birmingham.[52] Using third-century images from a synagogue—the earliest pictures of Jewish people[58]—Goodacre proposed that Jesus's skin color would have been darker and swarthier than his traditional Western image. He also suggested that he would have had short, curly hair and a short cropped beard.[59] This is also confirmed in the First Epistle to the Corinthians, where Paul the Apostle states that it is "disgraceful" for a man to have long hair.[60] As Paul allegedly knew many of the disciples and members of Jesus's family, it is unlikely that he would have written such a thing had Jesus had long hair.[59]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_appearance_of_Jesus

 

[arkirk]

I think ALL RELIGIONs are a fraud for the sake of gain on the part of the perpetrators. It does little good to debate the details of the tailored belief. It all fits neatly in a little envelope labeled BULLSHIT.

 

[Malintent]

It matters when laws are made limiting the right to marry to only people with a specific shoe size.
It matters when laws are made allowing my tax dollars to be spent erecting a giant statue of a shoe at city hall

It fucking matters...

How many Jesus statues are at city halls in the US?

Thanks to the principle of church/state separation, theoretically none... however if you simply google what you wrote, you will find a plethora of attempts to place Jesus on publicly funded properties, such as the Cincinnati city hall, as a recent example. It is dialog like the one that is occurring here that prevents these things form being slipped in, bit by bit.

 

[Malintent]

Did he? Can you please quote where you are getting that from? Derec rejected her argument.. can you find the reason in his post? hint: it wasn't because he 'knows' that jesus is pink (or white or whatever).

THAT is the (obvious) point of this discussion... that the argument made is racist and ignorant.

I grant you are an expert on racist and ignorant arguments. Obviousl you missed this gem from post #18
“Because the idea that he was black is ridiculous”.

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Complaining or arguing over Jesus's race in an atheists forum is comparable to debating Frodo's shoe size in an anthropology forum: it shouldn't matter to anyone.

It matters when laws are made limiting the right to marry to only people with a specific shoe size.
It matters when laws are made allowing my tax dollars to be spent erecting a giant statue of a shoe at city hall

It fucking matters...

WTF are you babbling about? Frodo did not exist. No one is discussing passing laws based on his alleged shoe size. Please get a grip on reality.

LOL! No one is fooled by you. YOU introduced Frodo's shoe size as a way to minimize the value of discussing Atheist topics, and then attacked it as a pointless thing to talk about (you Atheists are so stupid, talking about shoes, lol)... well, I agree that your argument is retarded. Maybe then shut the fuck up if you agree that your own arguments are retarded.

 

[arkirk]

Everybody knows Frodo's shoe size is 7...you know LUCKY 7!

(if you want some more bullshit...thar it is!

Besides...the important thing about Jesus was not his color. It was that he was one of those dreaded COMMUNISTS.

 

[Malintent]

I read post 18 and did not find the alleged quote that Laughing Dog attributed to Derec. That would be quote mining, which is against forum rules here. in post 18, Derec expresses anthropological doubt that a historical Jesus (if even existing) would have originated form Africa... if the only choices are black or white (which is not even a claim made by anyone here that I noticed) then Jesus would have to be put in the "white" category... "Arab" would be the most general I think appropriate... maybe "Semite" to be more specific? I don't; know... I don't really think much about it... I do think it pretty funny that black Christians worship a jesus figure that is drawn with long blonde hair, blue eyes, and clearly white skinned.. that is supposed to be the son of god, creator of us all... I find that pretty funny indeed.

The point is that the woman in the posted video is using a rather offensive argument for "why jesus is black". And that is what this thread appears to me to be about.

 

[Malintent]

I can't remember the movie.. but a black kid was saying that he knew Santa Clause was black. When challenged by his white friend, he said, "I don't know what happens in your house, but the fat man in the Santa suit that puts presents under my Christmas tree is BLACK!"