Stupidest argument about why Jesus is black yet ...

[Jimmy Higgins]

I read post 18 and did not find the alleged quote that Laughing Dog attributed to Derec. That would be quote mining, which is against forum rules here. in post 18, Derec expresses anthropological doubt that a historical Jesus (if even existing) would have originated form Africa... if the only choices are black or white (which is not even a claim made by anyone here that I noticed) then Jesus would have to be put in the "white" category... "Arab" would be the most general I think appropriate... maybe "Semite" to be more specific? I don't; know... I don't really think much about it... I do think it pretty funny that black Christians worship a jesus figure that is drawn with long blonde hair, blue eyes, and clearly white skinned.. that is supposed to be the son of god, creator of us all... I find that pretty funny indeed.

Because the idea that he was black is ridiculous and really based on black supremacist ideology.

Jesus qualifies as white under the US Census. However, he probably looked closer to black than white.

 

[arkirk]

Because the idea that he was black is ridiculous and really based on black supremacist ideology.

Jesus qualifies as white under the US Census. However, he probably looked closer to black than white.

If you can't find him and test his DNA you can't prove anything. This Jesus story would indicate that his DNA would be GOD's, and nobody has ever been able to collar him long enough to get a sample of his DNA. So far he is just a thing that appears in visions...the answer might be found if somebody takes a little LSD and is prepared to grab him and get a blood sample when he appears...otherwise the entire argument is moot.

 

[laughing dog]

I read post 18 and did not find the alleged quote that Laughing Dog attributed to Derec. That would be quote mining, which is against forum rules here.

And the end of post 18

Because the idea that he was black is ridiculous and really based on black supremacist ideology. It is those who claim he was black who have racial hangups, I am merely exposing them.

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[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

...but Adam was alleged to be made in the image of the alleged god. Since Adam would have had to be black, being the first human, god was allegedly black, too. And since god was allegedly Jesus's father, Jesus was black according to the 2007 President-Obama-is-black rule.

 

[blastula]

Robert Frost is a liar unless he was talking about 2 roads literally.

And that man better really have been from Nantucket, or that author is an idiot.

 

[Elixir]

Sheesh. If you don't like what color someone calls a religious figure, do the smart thing: invent your own religion, appoint your own religious figures and call them whatever color you prefer. Problem solved.

 

[Derec]

If you can't find him and test his DNA you can't prove anything. This Jesus story would indicate that his DNA would be GOD's, and nobody has ever been able to collar him long enough to get a sample of his DNA. So far he is just a thing that appears in visions...the answer might be found if somebody takes a little LSD and is prepared to grab him and get a blood sample when he appears...otherwise the entire argument is moot.

We are talking about how a historical Jesus would look, or if he is mythical, how he would have been imagined by those who first historicized him. And there is zero indication in either historical probability nor Biblical text that he was black (i.e. subsaharan African).

 

[Derec]

...but Adam was alleged to be made in the image of the alleged god. Since Adam would have had to be black, being the first human, god was allegedly black, too. And since god was allegedly Jesus's father, Jesus was black according to the 2007 President-Obama-is-black rule.

Why would Adam have to have been black? Just because first humans were dark skinned does not mean a mythical founder of humanity had to be. In fact, Garden of Eden would not have been any kind of paradise lost if there were harmful UV rays around (they were probably blocked by the water canopy, lmao) so there would have been no use for melanin.
And again, we are talking how a historical Jesus would have looked like or have been imagined as.

 

[Derec]

Jesus qualifies as white under the US Census. However, he probably looked closer to black than white.

Big deal. I am white and if I lived an outdoorsy life I'd develop a skin tone that could give Obama a run for his albedo.

 

[Derec]

I think ALL RELIGIONs are a fraud for the sake of gain on the part of the perpetrators. It does little good to debate the details of the tailored belief. It all fits neatly in a little envelope labeled BULLSHIT.

Note that I posted this in Politics forum, not Religion forum. Thus the idea is to discuss politics, not theology.
I agree with you that religion is bullshit, but what I want to discuss here is that black supremacism as portrayed by this "poet" is bullshit as well.

 

[Derec]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_appearance_of_Jesus

Ok, I don't disagree with anything in this passage. But you do realize that that makes him technically white, right?

Also interesting from the wiki article.

By the 19th century theories that Jesus was of the Aryan race, and in particular of Nordic appearance, were developed and later appealed to advocates of the new racial antisemitism, who wanted nothing Jewish about Jesus. Houston Stewart Chamberlain posited Jesus was of Amorite-Germanic extraction.[43] Madison Grant claimed Jesus for the Nordic race.

I guess this is the counterpart of the "Jesus is black" movement. As stupid as the each other and as racist.

 

[Derec]

Derec seems to be incapable of approaching any subject with anything but his self-limiting, (black and white)² views.
Everything with him is race and absolutes.

Not so. I am merley arguing against black supremacist/racist views from this "poet". Views that are applauded on various "progressive" platforms like DailyKos, HuffPo and Ring of Fire.

 

[Derec]

It sounds like you are following her just fine. I don't need to prove she's comprehensible because you clearly comprehend her.

I understand the words, and the sentences, but the logical progression is incoherent.
Can you show me how any of her arguments connect logically. Like how does manner of execution make somebody black or how being crucified is "the blackest way [to die] possible".

As she identifies in the poem, Kelly's "mere statement of fact" implies the exact same sentiment. ie. "How silly of people to think that Santa and Jesus are anything but White?" Or else, why would she have said it?

She did not say anything about how black people are not allowed to have an opinion. She expressed hers. This "poet" is attacking white people who disagree with her explicitly. She was also bitching about white people calling Brooklyn home. Imagine if Megyn Kelly or any white person complained about black people calling a town or borough home? But even crass racism is ok as long as you are black.

Yes there is a difference between hypothetical real world Jesus and magical religious Jesus. I was talking about magical Jesus because that's who the woman in the video was talking about. Christians only ever talk about magical Jesus.

Christians today are not docetists. They are also not mythicists. They believe their Jesus existed as a historical Jesus. A real man who did not look out of place as far as we know.

Magical Jesus is the spawn of Mary and supernatural Whoziwhatsitdoosit. My point was who knows what color Magical Jesus was because we don't know what color a supernatural Whoziwhatsitdoosit is.

So as far as the racist "poet" or you know supernatural Whoziwhatsitdoosit could have been Kimi Raikkonen.

But I think it is more fruitful to focus on the historical/historicized Jesus here.

That's the answer to the wrong question. The question isn't whether she literally believes it. Most Christians literally believe everything they say. The question is: does she believe it LITERALLY? Is she saying that she knows that Jesus's skin was black (literal) or is she saying that Jesus was a "black man" (metaphorical) who suffered like modern black men do in America.

She believes it literally. That's why she is ranting about changing history and changing color of bodies and nonsense like that.
Of course the part about dying the blackest way possible only makes sense as metaphor and disconnect between literal belief and metaphors is best explained by this "poet's" lack of thinking skills.
And even as metaphor it would be stupid. Like saying Bill Clinton is black because his dad died and his mother was poor for a while. Also, most people killed by police are thugs, black or otherwise. Why should blacks killed by police get a pass on truthful depiction of their thuggish nature?

Perhaps the blind presumption that Jesus was white, which is even more prevalent among White supremacists, is exactly what she was trying to expose.

First of all, that Jesus was white is historically probable. As to Jesus being a Nordic type, that is a white supremacist view, but hardly anybody holds it today. "Black Jesus" nonsense is, however, very widespread. Just like the idiotic notion that black Americans, who are in reality mostly descended from Western African populations, are somehow descendants of Ancient Egyptian royalty. In reality, given how ancient world was centered around the Mediterranean, I am more likely to be related to pharaohs than your average black American.

 

[Juma]

...but Adam was alleged to be made in the image of the alleged god. Since Adam would have had to be black, being the first human, god was allegedly black, too. And since god was allegedly Jesus's father, Jesus was black according to the 2007 President-Obama-is-black rule.

Why would Adam have to have been black? Just because first humans were dark skinned does not mean a mythical founder of humanity had to be. In fact, Garden of Eden would not have been any kind of paradise lost if there were harmful UV rays around (they were probably blocked by the water canopy, lmao) so there would have been no use for melanin.
And again, we are talking how a historical Jesus would have looked like or have been imagined as.

Because adam was made the image of god which is black.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Why would Adam have to have been black? Just because first humans were dark skinned does not mean a mythical founder of humanity had to be. In fact, Garden of Eden would not have been any kind of paradise lost if there were harmful UV rays around (they were probably blocked by the water canopy, lmao) so there would have been no use for melanin.
And again, we are talking how a historical Jesus would have looked like or have been imagined as.

Because adam was made the image of god which is black.

I think you just gave Derec a heart attack.

 

[ideologyhunter]

An earlier post unwittingly got it right, with a (slighting) reference to Megyn Kellly. The Megster got it right:
Mr. Claus was a WHITE MAN.
Mr. Christ was a WHITE MAN.
Sorry, but 50 million dentist waiting room children's Bibles aren't wrong. Also, visual source: Jeffrey Hunter in King of Kings -- NOT Mantan Moreland.
I think a strong substantive case can be made that the Holy Ghost is white, white, white, being visually a cloud of (pure white) smoke.
Also -- when you accept that Mr. Christ was WHITE, what does that make his daddy? Sorry, everybody, but the Bible is not multicultural and never was. God is not gangsta.

 

[laughing dog]

I think ALL RELIGIONs are a fraud for the sake of gain on the part of the perpetrators. It does little good to debate the details of the tailored belief. It all fits neatly in a little envelope labeled BULLSHIT.

Note that I posted this in Politics forum, not Religion forum. Thus the idea is to discuss politics, not theology.
I agree with you that religion is bullshit, but what I want to discuss here is that black supremacism as portrayed by this "poet" is bullshit as well.

The argument in the video is idiotic when it is taken literally, because identifying someone's race by the way they were treated (and nothing else) is silly. And there really is no reason to pay attention to it. But when you write "Because the idea that he was black is ridiculous ", that is a different angle than "the argument is silly". Add in that you do not start threads when white men make ridiculous arguments. It is obvious what you are doing: you are not fooling anyone with your excuses.

 

[bilby]

You guys are crazy.

Every single person called Jesus I have ever met was Hispanic.

Every. Single. One.

Game over.

 

[ZiprHead]

You guys are crazy.

Every single person called Jesus I have ever met was Hispanic.

Every. Single. One.

Game over.

From the wiki link I posted, it sounds like Hebrews of that era were probably more brown then white.

 

[Bomb#20]

You guys are crazy.

Every single person called Jesus I have ever met was Hispanic.

Every. Single. One.

Game over.

Not every single one. Remember that time you only saw one set of footprints? That was when non-Hispanic Jesus was carrying you.