Stupidest argument about why Jesus is black yet ...

[Bomb#20]

Okay, folks, let's settle this once and for all. Yes, Jesus is black. Seeing is believing.

 

[zorq]

I understand the words, and the sentences, but the logical progression is incoherent.
Can you show me how any of her arguments connect logically. Like how does manner of execution make somebody black or how being crucified is "the blackest way [to die] possible".

You understood this and explained it to us in the OP right below the video. Don't you remember? It's all comprehensible. Also, this isn't a news report, it's a poem. People, like this woman, are allowed to have and express opinions, not just facts. Did you consider that she might be expressing her opinion?

As she identifies in the poem, Kelly's "mere statement of fact" implies the exact same sentiment. ie. "How silly of people to think that Santa and Jesus are anything but White?" Or else, why would she have said it?

She did not say anything about how black people are not allowed to have an opinion. She expressed hers. This "poet" is attacking white people who disagree with her explicitly. She was also bitching about white people calling Brooklyn home. Imagine if Megyn Kelly or any white person complained about black people calling a town or borough home? But even crass racism is ok as long as you are black.

Megyn Kelly's quote as she spoke on a news channel called Fox News is the following. "And you know for all you kids watching at home, Santa just IS white. ... Jesus was a white man too. You know, We have, He was an historical figure. I mean that verifiable fact. As is Santa. I just want everybody to know that."https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XYlJqf4dLI
She stated that the race of both Santa and Jesus are unassailable facts, not opinions. That sure implies to me that all other people aren't allowed to have a different opinion on the subject.

Also, I don't recall ANY mention of Brooklyn in the poem or complaining about people calling Brooklyn home. Are you confused?

Yes there is a difference between hypothetical real world Jesus and magical religious Jesus. I was talking about magical Jesus because that's who the woman in the video was talking about. Christians only ever talk about magical Jesus.

Christians today are not docetists. They are also not mythicists. They believe their Jesus existed as a historical Jesus. A real man who did not look out of place as far as we know.

Yes part of the belief in Magical Jesus is that he "lived" as an historical figure. But you and I know that he didn't. As for how out of place Jesus looked... The bible doesn't mention it. And the believers never think about it. They just accept the pre-packaged print versions of European Renaisance paintings placed strategically in their churches. Which makes their opinions on the subject and the actual appearance of Magical Jesus officially unknown.

Magical Jesus is the spawn of Mary and supernatural Whoziwhatsitdoosit. My point was who knows what color Magical Jesus was because we don't know what color a supernatural Whoziwhatsitdoosit is.

So as far as the racist "poet" or you know supernatural Whoziwhatsitdoosit could have been Kimi Raikkonen.

YES. Magical Jesus could have been white. But we don't know! Thank you for agreeing with me.

But I think it is more fruitful to focus on the historical/historicized Jesus here.

I disagree. She wasn't talking about this lunatic/liar/fictional Jesus at all. And as I pointed out, the lies and omissions of this Jesus/his author and the countless editors and interpreters that conveyed his/her idea into the present do not give a good indication of this Jesus's race.

That's the answer to the wrong question. The question isn't whether she literally believes it. Most Christians literally believe everything they say. The question is: does she believe it LITERALLY? Is she saying that she knows that Jesus's skin was black (literal) or is she saying that Jesus was a "black man" (metaphorical) who suffered like modern black men do in America.

She believes it literally. That's why she is ranting about changing history and changing color of bodies and nonsense like that.

I disagree. It isn't clear at all she means it literally. Nowhere does she say anything to imply that it is literal, but you have identified part of her poem which makes it entirely likely that the whole thing is metaphorical. See below.

Of course the part about dying the blackest way possible only makes sense as metaphor and disconnect between literal belief and metaphors is best explained by this "poet's" lack of thinking skills.

Or it is best explained by the entire thing being a metaphor.

And even as metaphor it would be stupid. Like saying Bill Clinton is black because his dad died and his mother was poor for a while.

I don't think you understand the concept of metaphors. Maybe you don't understand the concept of poetry at all.

Also, most people killed by police are thugs, black or otherwise. Why should blacks killed by police get a pass on truthful depiction of their thuggish nature?

Identify the place where the poem makes the assertion that "black people killed by police should get a pass on a truthful depiction of their thuggish nature" and we'll have something more to talk about in this line of discussion.

Perhaps the blind presumption that Jesus was white, which is even more prevalent among White supremacists, is exactly what she was trying to expose.

First of all, that Jesus was white is historically probable. As to Jesus being a Nordic type, that is a white supremacist view, but hardly anybody holds it today. "Black Jesus" nonsense is, however, very widespread. Just like the idiotic notion that black Americans, who are in reality mostly descended from Western African populations, are somehow descendants of Ancient Egyptian royalty. In reality, given how ancient world was centered around the Mediterranean, I am more likely to be related to pharaohs than your average black American.

Well, I see that you have retreated to Jesus being only probably white. Even if this is the lunatic/liar/fictional real world Jesus that the woman in the video WASN'T talking about.

In summary, I'm glad we cleared all of this up. Both magical and real-world Jesuses COULD have been white, but we don't know. The woman on the video even made clear indications to you that she was using a metaphor and not speaking literally.