Sudan Massacre

[pood]

Maybe you are saying that “true Christians,” whatever that means, adhering to supposed Christian values, would never have let people like Hitler or Mussolini come to power in the first place? I am spitballing here because your argument remains opaque rather than transparent.

"True Christians" would have opposed Hitler. Socialists opposed him, so I guess that they could be considered true Christians (even if many of them may have been atheists). Hitler was a theist. Also Hitler's hatred of Jews came from centuries of European Christian hatred of Jews. He read some anti-Semitic pamphlets after WWI that radicalised his beliefs.

Was Hitler a theist? He seemed to have adhered to some form of providence, just like Lincoln. But he definitely was not a Christian, though he sometimes used Christianity as a prop to further seduce his gullible followers. I think he thought of religion as a pragmatic tool to fool people. As noted, he ruminated that Islam would have been more suitable to Germany than Christianity.

 

[laughing dog]

I am genuinely stumped.

Based on my understanding of history, it is my opinion that kn general, Christian nations were more dangerous to world than Islamic countries during the 20th century based on them starting WWI and WWII in Europe, and their willingness to violently intervene in 3rd world countries/colonies. This dangerous potential is exhibited in this century as well.

In my opinion. Islamic countries are more dangerous in general to their citizens than Christian countries.

I do not understand how you think that certain nations (but not others) that were predominantly Christian started 20th century wars because of Christianity. This seems to be your implication, but clearly this was not the case. If it is not the case that you think these wars were started because of Christianity, then I again have no idea what your point is, except to slur Christians. Note that I am an atheist.

“Because of Christianity “ has not been used by me. I stated my opinion. Clearly you don’t get it. I observed what I think is a strong correlation. While correlation is not causation, it may be suggestive.

 

[Politesse]

Both he and Hitler despised Christianity.

If "despising" Christianity does not stop you from publically endorsing Christianity and declaring it a state religion, investing millions of dollars and extinguishing hundreds of thousands of lives executing the projects of the Christian church, ruthlessly persecuting all other faiths than Christianity... I dunno man, you may not be very good at despising things. If they privately had doubts, that was great for them I guess but meant fuck-all to their many victims. If you don't want to be associated with Christianity, maybe don't go out of your way to violently and enduringly associate yourself with Christianity.

 

[Toni]

Just wanted to add the obligatory reminder that the KKK regards itself as a Christian organization.

In my admittedly limited knowledge of religious motivated terrorism, I would also like to point out that it is rare or perhaps non-existent that such acts of violence and aggression can be reconciled with a knowledgeable understanding of religious teachings.

However, religious teachings can be Abd have been twisted sufficiently to justify whatever acts of greed and power lust are committed. I look mostly at the justification of enslaving kidnapped Africans and their descendants and the genocide committed against indigenous peoples in the Americas, but I know that the US is hardly the only nation to use religion to justify atrocities committed against indigenous populations

 

[pood]

Both he and Hitler despised Christianity.

If "despising" Christianity does not stop you from publically endorsing Christianity and declaring it a state religion, investing millions of dollars and extinguishing hundreds of thousands of lives executing the projects of the Christian church, ruthlessly persecuting all other faiths than Christianity... I dunno man, you may not be very good at despising things. If they privately had doubts, that was great for them I guess but meant fuck-all to their many victims. If you don't want to be associated with Christianity, maybe don't go out of your way to violently and enduringly associate yourself with Christianity.

Hitler did not massacre Jews and others in the name of Christianity but in the name of his Nazi Aryan master race. To blame Christianity for what Hitler did is just ludicrous. Hitler was not presiding over a Christian theocracy. That was a hooked cross on the flag, not a cross.