arkirk
Veteran Member
I can't imagine why one would wash a salt shaker before adding more salt to it.
I also wash tuperware containers before reusing them, and I wash my dishes before eating off of them a second time.
Of course. I picked the salt shakers because you're adding more of what was already there and it doesn't spoil.
No you're not. You're just going to need to know whether or not the grain being lifted on those elevators comes from a GMO source or not.You're also going to need completely separate grain elevators.
1) Grain elevators aren't just used for a short time. They're fairly long term storage facilities.
2) If you just track what's in there you are going to have a major case of cross-contamination.
Which is something that may change with the new labeling laws.But they aren't required to list the strain of wheat that flour was made from.
Significantly, flour manufacturers are at least AWARE of what strains they have been using. They would have to know at least that much in order to manufacture a product of consistent safety and quality.
[Citation needed]
The idea that a manufacturer would take several tons of a material whose origins he cannot account for -- and cannot even know exactly what the material is -- and then process it into a food to sell to people is, frankly, HIGHLY disturbing and not something I would want to encourage IF it were common.
Then I suggest you quit eating.
Yes. Farmers preemptively sued Monsanto over accidental contamination of their fields with GMO products. The judge tossed the lawsuit, citing Monsanto's stated policy of not filing suit against farmers for harvests resulting from said contamination (thus making that policy legally binding).Remember the lawsuits about pollen blowing in?
This is significant, since the farmers were VERY much aware that the GMO seeds had been blown into their fields from neighboring (licensed) growers. That's actually a pretty difficult thing for farmers not to notice.
It's not a matter of noticing it, it's a matter of knowing how things work.
Which, as I already stated, wouldn't need to be listed unless the product is trying to be certified "GMO free." Trace amounts would be acceptable enough... again, unless the farmer or manufacturer is stupid enough to sell his product without knowing anything about the quality or nature of what he's selling.Unless you grow your soybeans in a carefully isolated area (like the seed producers do) you're going to have some RR genes in the product.
It might not be trace amounts.
Basically: the only way you can be that ignorant about what you are using to make your product is because you're an imbecile and probably shouldn't be putting your product on the market in the first place.
So somewhere in the "real world" there is a place where farmers from all over the area randomly drive up to grain elevators in big trucks, dump the contents of their trucks into the elevators, collect a paycheck, and then drive away to SPEND said paycheck. No questions asked, no paperwork, no accounting for what they just dumped in the elevator.In the real world the grain elevators accept grain from the farmers in the area and mix it all together.
Assuming that I believed this (I don't) I am again kind of tickled that you think this is an acceptable practice.
You can look at it. Right grain, in good shape. And of course there's paperwork--you don't sell that big an item without paperwork.
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You've got a glaring error here: While you consider electricity from renewable stations as worth more it's actually a commodity--even if you are buying power from a renewable place you actually might be getting power from a coal station. There's one set of wires from which the producers add power and the consumers draw power.
When you buy power from the renewable source that simply means that the money you spend for the power goes to that company in exchange for the amount of power they push onto the grid, not that any given electron running through your house came from that power station.
[derail]The drift velocity of the electrons in domestic power wiring, coupled with the fact that most supplies are alternating current with a frequency of 50-60Hz, means that the electrons in your home are the same ones you bought with the property. The distance across the electricity meter is orders of magnitude greater than the distance the electrons travel in a cycle; so you are not buying electrons from anyone. What you are buying is pure energy - the 'jiggle' is what the generators supply, and you consume. [/derail]
I didn't realize it was quite that short but I agree with the basic idea. I was just using the simplest way to express the notion that it's all one pool of power.
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Loren: YOU will not be telling ME what I care about. People are not "interchangable." Maybe for your purposes, they might seem that way. I have stated over and over that YOU are trying to control what we have a right to know...and invariably it is in the direction of less knowledge for the people. I call that selling IGNORANCE.
We aren't trying to ban "GMO-free" labels, we aren't doing anything to deny you knowledge.
We just don't want to pay the considerable cost of keeping track when we don't care.
You still don't get it do you. You cannot be free if you are not allowed to know. GMO should be labeled. So should meats shot up with growth hormone. So should meats shot up with antibiotics and painted with artificial reddening agents. We really don't have the time to search for labels on things telling us what they are not. WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS IN IT, NOT WHAT IS NOT IN IT. Labeling GMO's would reveal how hard it is to avoid them. You have no right to dictate this ignorance to us. Your arguments still only justify keeping people ignorant because it costs too much to be honest with them.