That Iran Deal

[Derec]

I think EU should look into enforcing tariffs and import restriction on Israeli goods from occupied territories.

Wasn't something like that tried, like 80 years ago?
Then:

Now:

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose, as the French would say.

After all EU is losing billions of dollars in contracts because of Bibi, so it's only fair Israel pays its share of the costs.

Maybe they can trade more with Israel and less with theocratic Islamist weird beards.

 

[laughing dog]

All kidding aside, you do not need to annihilate Iran. A series of targeted strike against their nuclear facilities, the Revolutionary Guard facilities and the theorcratic leadership in Tehran should do the trick.

Not in the long-run. That will simply reinforce the need to have nuclear weapons.

That does not mean we should enter bad deals though.

Sane adults who recognize that voluntary deals require compromise understand that the US and the rest of the UN Security Council plus Germany did not enter in a bad deal.

 

[Derec]

It ensures they only enrich to the degree permitted to any signatory to the nuclear nonproliferation treaty, well short of weapons grade.

But only for a limited time. And it is only meaningful if Iranians try to build a HEU weapon, like the "Little Boy". But the preferred design since the "Little Boy" has been the Plutonium weapon (Pu-239 is a much more complex design but Pu-239 is much easier to obtain in sufficient quantity and purity compared to U-235).

Note also that it is pretty clear to anybody that Iranian nuclear program has a military objective. It makes no economic sense to build nuclear power plants when you have such abundant natural gas. They can't export it all, especially since they compete with neighbors like Qatar and Russia for same customers, so why not use a bunch of it for domestic power generation? It's certainly a cheap way to make power.

 

[Derec]

Not in the long-run. That will simply reinforce the need to have nuclear weapons.

Depends I guess on what kind of government takes power there. Allies didn't have to annihilate Germany and Germans are not seeking revenge exactly. Note that Nazi government wasn't allowed to stay in power and neither should the weird beards.

Sane adults who recognize that voluntary deals require compromise understand that the US and the rest of the UN Security Council plus Germany did not enter in a bad deal.

Compromise is one thing. Of course concessions must be given. But not this many concessions for so little by Iran. Since the nuclear deal, Iran increased their military aggression. To pretend this deal is increasing "peace" is incredibly naive. Childish even, hardly something associated with sane adults.

 

[laughing dog]

All kidding aside, you do not need to annihilate Iran. A series of targeted strike against their nuclear facilities, the Revolutionary Guard facilities and the theorcratic leadership in Tehran should do the trick.

Only in the short run. It will serve to intensify their desire to acquire nuclear weapons. And probably increase terrorism directed at the USA.

That does not mean we should enter bad deals though.

Sane adults realize that any voluntary deal must involved compromise and must be acceptable to all parties. Sane adults understand that using a unachievable ideal to criticize reality simply leads to bad decision-making. Sane adults understand that the countries of the UN Security Council plus Germany did not make a bad deal - they made, what was in their judgment at the time, a deal they could live with. And Iran has been living up to their commitments.

Withdrawing from this agreement even though Iran was complying is bad policy. Not only does it make the USA seem less trustworthy and drive a wedge with our European allies, it now allows Iran to go full steam ahead with its nuclear program if it wishes.

 

[jonatha]

It ensures they only enrich to the degree permitted to any signatory to the nuclear nonproliferation treaty, well short of weapons grade.

But only for a limited time. And it is only meaningful if Iranians try to build a HEU weapon, like the "Little Boy". But the preferred design since the "Little Boy" has been the Plutonium weapon (Pu-239 is a much more complex design but Pu-239 is much easier to obtain in sufficient quantity and purity compared to U-235).

Note also that it is pretty clear to anybody that Iranian nuclear program has a military objective. It makes no economic sense to build nuclear power plants when you have such abundant natural gas. They can't export it all, especially since they compete with neighbors like Qatar and Russia for same customers, so why not use a bunch of it for domestic power generation? It's certainly a cheap way to make power.

It is not for a limited time. The commitment to the inspection regime is ongoing.

Plutonium production requires distinct reactor design and reprocessing facilities. Both can be monitored.

The US also has abundant natural gas. Why do we also have civilian nuclear power plants?

 

[Trausti]

 

[steve_bank]

As flawed as the deal may be, we are seeing the start of the conflict it was keeping a lid on.

 

[Trausti]

As flawed as the deal may be, we are seeing the start of the conflict it was keeping a lid on.

Between the Iranian people and the mullahs?

#ThankYouTrump

 

[Trausti]

#WeAreHostages

It seems strange to finally have a president with a backbone.

 

[Jayjay]

Iranians had 35 years before the deal to overthrow the regime. Why would they be able do it now, when they couldn't do it before?

 

[Patooka]

Well, if Allen West believes it, I'm glad I'm on the opposing school of thought. And John Howard is a dishonest obfuscating cunt, so no real surprise there. A bit disappointed the statement wasn't endorsed by Dick Cheney or Tony Blair though, missed opportunity there. And here is a statement from another Nobel Peace prize recipient than isn't so thick on empty rhetoric.

 

[Ford]

Iranians had 35 years before the deal to overthrow the regime. Why would they be able do it now, when they couldn't do it before?

All Middle Eastern brown people are yearning for the sort of freedom where they can overthrow their regime and become a satellite nation of the great American Jesus/oil axis.

 

[aupmanyav]

They will have to make adjustments. India is developing Chabahar port and gets oil from Iran.

 

[Derec]

Iranians had 35 years before the deal to overthrow the regime. Why would they be able do it now, when they couldn't do it before?

All Middle Eastern brown people are yearning for the sort of freedom where they can overthrow their regime and become a satellite nation of the great American Jesus/oil axis.

Brown? Their president is whiter than ours!

I mean really.

And why are you so obsessed with Iranians supposedly being "brown"? You used that "argument" for the second time already, as if their hue matters in any case, even if you were right.

 

[bilby]

Iranians had 35 years before the deal to overthrow the regime. Why would they be able do it now, when they couldn't do it before?

All Middle Eastern brown people are yearning for the sort of freedom where they can overthrow their regime and become a satellite nation of the great American Jesus/oil axis.

Brown? Their president is whiter than ours!

I mean really.

And why are you so obsessed with Iranians supposedly being "brown"? You used that "argument" for the second time already, as if their hue matters in any case, even if you were right.

Your president isn't naturally that colour.

Having a president who paints himself orange, presumably because he lacks the self-awareness to realise that it looks ridiculous, is hardly something to boast about.

 

[Derec]

Your president isn't naturally that colour.

I know. It was a joke.

Having a president who paints himself orange, presumably because he lacks the self-awareness to realise that it looks ridiculous, is hardly something to boast about.

Not boasting, just pointing out Ford's ridiculousness in calling Iranians "brown" when a) it's not really true and b) doesn't matter even if they were.
Ford's obsession with "brown" is weird.

 

[bilby]

Your president isn't naturally that colour.

I know. It was he is a joke.

FTFY.

 

[Derec]

FTFY.

Sure, but that's beside the point. To get back to the Aryans, I mean Iranians, if you shaved Rouhani and put him in some American threads and perhaps a baseball hat (red MAGA, why not?), would anybody, even Ford, call him "brown"?

 

[laughing dog]

It seems strange to finally have a president with a backbone.

Perhaps, but he lacks a brain stem.