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The Democratic Party (and media) are going after Bernie

You can't know for sure whether or not Bernie can beat Trump or not.

"Know for sure"? What does that even mean and where did I claim absolute surety? I said it was clear and non-controversial. Non-controversial in this context means not unexpected.

Once again, for anyone who actually understands American politics, the fact that he is Jewish--and comes across as a "New York Jew" in particular--is a serious problem across ALL demographics, regardless of party affiliation and that's just right out of the gate, not accounting for his policy proposals. That means that there is going to be--not might be, but already exists--a certain percentage of Democrats that will simply not vote for him. That does not necessarily translate into voting for Trump, but it has the same effect. This is precisely why Putin targeted primarily minorities in order to suppress their vote.

Here is a comprehensive Gallup poll that breaks it all down. In regard to voting for a Jewish candidate, you'll see that the total is a seemingly impressive 93%, up 2 points since 2015.

Dig a little deeper and you find this:

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Among women, 35% would not vote for a Jew; "non-white" is 45%; low education 50%; Indies 36%; conservative (which can apply to Dems as well) 34% and moderates (also applicable to Dems) 22%, for a total of 56% among those who identify as conservative and/or moderate. Worse is that, by age, the larger amount who would not skew younger (with 28% among 18-34).

What's more, here is the breakdown of those polled:

For results based on the sample of –530—national adults in Form A and the sample of – 494 – national adults in Form B, the margin of sampling error is ±5 percentage points.

For results based on the sample of –443—Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents, the margin of sampling error is ±6 percentage points.

That'a a helluva margin of error and means that, overall, it could be 99% total are in favor OR it could mean only 87% are in favor. If you applied that sampling error to the demographic breakdowns, it becomes even more problematic. For example, it could mean it's really a total of 49% (or nearly half) of "non-white" voters.

Assuming some of those who identify as "non-white" are Republicans, we can separate out about 20%, which leaves a rough 30% of non-white Democrats that may just not bother to vote if Sanders is the front runner. That would be all Trump would need to win (and not just the technical EC, but the popular vote).

Regardless, even if those percentages resulted in much smaller non-voters--let's say it's JUST 2% per demographic--then we're talking about 2% of women; 2% of blacks; 2% of Hispanics for a total of 6% of Democrats simply not voting because Sanders is Jewish. And no other reason.

Again, in the last race, Trump was made POTUS due to a less than 1% voting differential and that primarily driven by a 4% suppression among blacks.

6% suppression just because he's Jewish--setting aside his more radical "socialist" policy agenda--would be devastating.

Hence, why, once again, among people who understand American politics, it is both clear and non-controversial to state that he can't beat Trump.

People thought Trump could not beat Hillary and look at her now.

Once again, he could NOT beat Hillary. He lost to her by almost three million votes (and nearly ten million total, when you account for expressed preferences among those who intended to vote, but for various non-partisan reasons did not end up casting their ballots).

Do you not understand what a popular vote measures? It's right there in the title.
 
The reason why Dems don't want him is clear and noncontroversial. He's (a) NOT a Democrat, (b) can't beat Trump and (c) gave us Trump in the first place.
Only (a) is clear and noncontroversial.

And pretty much irrelevant.

"I won't support Bernie cuz he isn't a Democrat and doesnt always vote with them"

... And how so? He was for gay rights before they were. He opposed the wars before they did. Etc. It's true that be opposed them on those points. He was ahead of them.

And for party hardline tribalists, there is something much much worse. ..

He entered the party and significantly changed it from within, bringing in a bunch of new voters and moving the party lines further to the left.

But guess what? Political parties are constantly changing over time. The Democratic party during the Clintonista era wasn't all that similar to the party at its origin either.
 
I do not think we can really blame Bernie for not bowing out of the primaries until the end. Hillary herself did not rush to bow out in 2008 after it was clear she was done.

Oh come on Derec, that was completely different. She said she had to stay in, in case Obama was assassinated...
 
The reason why Dems don't want him is clear and noncontroversial. He's (a) NOT a Democrat, (b) can't beat Trump and (c) gave us Trump in the first place.
Only (a) is clear and noncontroversial.

And pretty much irrelevant.

Not to Democrats.

And how so?

Imagine a completely unwanted guest crashing your party with his obnoxious asshole friends, who drink all your booze, eat all your food and angrily demand more while taking a big shit on your floor before they torch the place claiming it's your fault for your house not being more welcoming. And then when you ask them to help put out the fire they recklessly and pointlessly started, they half-ass it and continue to blame you for it all while at the same time asking you if they can crash in the cinders, leaving the door open for wolves to attack your family.
 
It is no surprise that the Democratic Party insiders are antagonistic towards a non-democrat.

And if Bernie or his supporters cannot handle an antagonistic Democratic party, how will they handle the GOP if he gets the nomination?
 
It is no surprise that the Democratic Party insiders are antagonistic towards a non-democrat.

And if Bernie or his supporters cannot handle an antagonistic Democratic party, how will they handle the GOP if he gets the nomination?

We can handle it just fine, friendo. Thanks for your useless and spineless input as usual.
 
It is no surprise that the Democratic Party insiders are antagonistic towards a non-democrat.

And if Bernie or his supporters cannot handle an antagonistic Democratic party, how will they handle the GOP if he gets the nomination?

We can handle it just fine, friendo. Thanks for your useless and spineless input as usual.
How can you think the Dems antagonism harmed Sanders' chance at the Democrat nomination, but the wildly hyperbolic antagonism that'll make Swift Boat Vets look like a hand job from the Republicans won't harm Sander's chance at the White House?
 

Glad to see Clinton getting an early start on supporting the Democrats' candidate in an election year - especially given that she isn't even in the run.

So I'm willing to accept that America isn't ready for a Jew president, but would that also be the case if it were a Jew woman?
 

It is damage control. It is a question that should have immediately been answered yes, if Trump is viewed as the big bad. And the question of will they support their own nominee is one that I have only heart Trump himself answer with an uncertainty prior to Hillary. So Hillary and Trump have that on common now. She decided to answer again and in the affirmative because she was rightly criticized for her statement of uncertainty.
 
It is no surprise that the Democratic Party insiders are antagonistic towards a non-democrat.

And if Bernie or his supporters cannot handle an antagonistic Democratic party, how will they handle the GOP if he gets the nomination?

We can handle it just fine, friendo. Thanks for your useless and spineless input as usual.
How can you think the Dems antagonism harmed Sanders' chance at the Democrat nomination, but the wildly hyperbolic antagonism that'll make Swift Boat Vets look like a hand job from the Republicans won't harm Sander's chance at the White House?

I actually think DNC, Hillary, much of the media,, etc being against Bernie has helped him, not hurt him. Immediately after Hillary's attack saying nobody likes Bernie, "I like Bernie" was trending.

Just like Warren's accusation backfired, this desperation play may backfire further. If it does, I wonder if Obama will come out against Bernie (as rumoured) and if that will backfire even further and land Bernie the nomination.
 
I wish Clinton would just keep to the shadows and wait to come out in boisterous support of the person to clean Trump's clock (ie barely win in the Electoral College, but by millions of popular votes, > 5,000,000).

I think she fears Bernie more than Trump in the White House. I think a few of the Democrat insiders do. Bernie would shake things up significantly and may take away a lot of their power.
 
A good point Cenk Uyger made about Hillary's attack: When she said nobody likes Bernie, that can be taken to mean that she thinks of progressives who support him (and there are a lot of them) as nobodies.
 
A good point Cenk Uyger made about Hillary's attack: When she said nobody likes Bernie, that can be taken to mean that she thinks of progressives who support him (and there are a lot of them) as nobodies.
No, it can’t. That was in regard to his peers in Congress, not about him generally in the world. Per usual, no one goes to the primary source:

"He was in Congress for years. He had one senator support him. Nobody likes him, nobody wants to work with him, he got nothing done," Clinton says in the film, according to The Hollywood Reporter. "He was a career politician. It's all just baloney and I feel so bad that people got sucked into it."
 
She should have been more careful with her words. I agree with you that she meant the powerful elites (that's a big part of his appeal), but it can be taken the other way, and backfire. Remains to be seen how the polls are effected.
 
She should have been more careful with her words.

Nonsense. It’s not on her to account for other’s inabilities to quote her properly. No matter what she says—or how clear she is—others always deliberately misconstrue her comments as has been demonstrated time and time again (“super predators”; “gay” marriage; “deplorables”; her vote in regard to the AUMF; etc).

I agree with you that she meant the powerful elites

If by “powerful elites” you mean him and his peers, yes, that is what she meant.

but it can be taken the other way, and backfire.

Only by those intent on taking whatever she says the wrong way. But why would anyone deliberately do that?
 
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Nonsense. It’s not on her to account for other’s inabilities to quote her properly. No matter what she says—or how clear she is—others always deliberately misconstrue her comments as has been demonstrated time and time again (“super predators”; “gay” marriage; “deplorables”; her vote in regard to the AUMF; etc).

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If by “powerful elites” you mean him and his peers, yes, that is what she meant.

but it can be taken the other way, and backfire.

Only by those intent on taking whatever she says the wrong way. But why would anyone deliberately do that?

But if lots of just plain folks take it to mean lots of them just don't like Sanders then it's a case of her not understanding the electorate. Just like her "deplorables" faux pas, or what she said about her plan to put lots of coal miners out of a job. There seems to be a pattern there. And people resent being told what they think.
 
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