The Democratic Party has attractive positions for moderate republicians/center right voters

[Patooka]

They broke our law when they entered the country by not going through customs like everyone else.

You might want to understand what refugee is. And the treaties your country has signed with regards to such a status. Go on. Explain them to me.

Sorry, I also meant with proof and not some youtube carlson-esque bullshit.

You might also buy a talking heads best of cd and wonder, "well how did I get here", but I think everyone knows that is a bridge too far.

 

[Patooka]

A sporting war is an offensive and unnecessary war the US need not wage.

Thank you for showing you just copy and paste Lauren Chen's opinion and that you have none of your own.

 

[Patooka]

Musk says he bought Twitter not for profit but for knowing how suppressed and censored speech in the US was becoming.

We welcome everyone back to the regular part of the program where Patooka proves RVonse wrong not by posting any new information, but by information that RVonse appears to be too scared to address.

EVEN AFTER FUCKING YEARS

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Post in thread 'First real evidence presented the Biden POTUS election really was a fraud'

Apr 8, 2023

The Twitter Files are a perfect example of right wing dishonesty at play. Firstly, keep in mind they were posted last year. They were big on implication and had zero facts behind them. It was obvious to everyone who read them that Elon Musk basically used Taibbi to rewrite history and promote the lie that Twitter before Musk's purchase was biased towards leftists and there was a conspiracy to censor right wingers. This narrative lasted about 0.0002 nanoseconds until you realise the level of preferential treatment prominent right wingers like Trump and Libs of TikTok were given in...

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Thread 'In case you needed more proof The Twitter Files were complete bullshit...'

May 4, 2023

So let's provide some context here. December last year, The Twitter Files were released. Every single Q-tard, Trumpsucker and Tucker Fucker jizzed in their collective pants as they convinced themselves that this was the proof Biden stole the election and Twitter was a bastion of government censorship. Only their free speech God Emperor (an oxymoron I know but consistency was never a strong point for these stupid cunts) Elon Musk will bring freedom of speech back to Twitter.

And then people read the Twitter Files.

It turns out the biggest thing Matt Taibbi has ever been a part of in...

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Fucking hell, at this point, I think I can beat any of RVonse's argument just with a ctrl-c ctrl-v.

Musk believes in free speech? Get fucked. I could say what I like about RVonse as well. I can open a door and shout it out.

Getting kicked out of someone's bar because I love Crowder and hate Jews is not censorship. That's me being a cunt. One of these days RVonse is going to learn that, by being kicked out of Musk's bar.
But I think we are all going to be tired by then...

Hey, @RVonse, I can tell you exactly why Musk bought Twitter. It was the temper tantrum of an oligarch (you allegedly hate oligarchs just in case you are aware) who was going through a messy divorce and his ex shacked up with someone who is trans, That's it. No inside job (pun intended), no nothing. Simple and straightforward.

Or it's just sad that you are willing to propagate this into something more. O R OK?

 

[RVonse]

IIRC you consider yourself a "Libertarian" @RVonse . How do you feel about "right to work" laws? How do you feel about tariffs intended to help fragile American enterprises (and their workforces) which seek to deliver important energy technologies in the future?

I agree with Frank Lloyd Wright. If capitalism is fair then unionism must be. If men and women have a right to capitalize their ideas and the resources of their country, then that implies the right of men and women to capitalize their labor.

I also agree with tariffs. As Laughing Dogs correctly points out, it is not perfect free market capitalism that normal libertarians would prefer. But there does have to be some method to cope with other countries who are able to unfairly support their industries. And there also has to be some method for government to encourage on shore manufacturing when it helps generate high value industries.

Tariffs are a form of protectionism, hence anti-free market. They increase the price the consumer must pay, and are therefore a form of sales tax. They encourage and support uncompetitive and inefficient businesses. The USA has a long history of protectionism, and also large subsidies for farmers (over $30 billion per year).

I said as much, in that tariffs are not perfect free market capitalism within the world that is not perfect to begin with. As far as the farmers receiving their large subsidies I have no opinion other than the US is probably the best fed nation on earth given all the obesity there is. So that alone appears to support that tariffs or subsidies do indeed work for the farmers and the US (assuming you want well fed people).

If you don't want something tax it. But if you do want something then either give it a subsidy or protect it with a tariff.

 

[RVonse]

A sporting war is an offensive and unnecessary war the US need not wage.

Thank you for showing you just copy and paste Lauren Chen's opinion and that you have none of your own.

I have no idea who Lauren Chen is....but if she agrees with me I like her!

 

[RVonse]

The U.S. is providing aid to Ukraine is this a "sporting war"? What does that even mean?
Ukrainians are mostly white-skinned Christians. Do they also need to speak English before the U.S. should come to their defense?

In the 1990's Bill Clinton and NATO agreed to a United Nations request to help prevent further war crimes by Serbia against Bosnia. Was this a "sporting war"?

A sporting war is an offensive and unnecessary war the US need not wage. Wars generally designed to feed and enrich the military industrial complex and all its corrupt actors down the line. 50 years ago the Democrats helped us get out of the Viet Nam war, today it would be the MAGA republicans who would be against it.

When was the first time in your life you ever heard the name Putin? What did you think of him at that time?

Sometime during the Clinton years right after the fall of the USSR, when Russia was asking to be part of NATO. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-wanted-to-join-alliance-early-on-in-his-rule

We sure have come a long way since days when Russia actually wanted to join the west. Compared to today when we hear threats about possible nukes flying our way. IMO our politicians blew it big time with an opportunity to be at peace with Russia. But that was probably what they really wanted to satisfy their greed.

 

[Patooka]

A sporting war is an offensive and unnecessary war the US need not wage.

Thank you for showing you just copy and paste Lauren Chen's opinion and that you have none of your own.

I have no idea who Lauren Chen is....but if she agrees with me I like her!

Considering how fringe online savvy you are, you not knowing who Lauren Chen is sounds about as plausible as your orange messiah not knowing what Project 2025 is all about.

 

[Patooka]

Anti-Demonization and spread of lies and hate about people living in the country. The lie about Hatians eating pets as one example.

If you care about reality, here is an actual video of Springfield, Ohio speaking with many people in this small town all expressing frustrations with the number of migrants that have overwhelmed their small midwest city.

It should be noted this producer does many other locations and is rarely if ever political in his stance. Leading me to believe the content is real and trustworthy. It should also be noted that the lie about hatians eating dogs was probably an exaggeration but eating of cats and geese was not. It is part of their culture. And finally, it should be noted that this is only the start of what will probably be more to come in other parts of our country with a Harris presidency.

In the past, the oligarchy outsourced factories to other countries. Now they want to move that same cheap labor into our country.

I've lost count how many lies you have promoted over the years. And just so we're clear, I'm not accusing you of lying per se - I am saying you are very easily manipulated and the lies you (I assume inadvertently) propagate have a very particular right wing MAGA tone.

But seeing as you think videos on the internet are a verifiable self contained well formed arguments, watch the first 15 minutes of this video so you can be educated why your xenophobic talking points are actually causing harm to innocent people.



You're welcome.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Xwitter had a policy of suppressing Tweets with particularly blatant political lies but now encourage lies endorsed by its owner, Elon Musk. Is this expansion of "free speech" on Xwitter a development you support?

Musk says he bought Twitter not for profit but for knowing how suppressed and censored speech in the US was becoming. It should be noted that (like myself) Musk was also a life long Democrat. But it is not Musk or myself that have changed our views, it the Democrat party.

And then we have the Reagan Republicans that vote Democrat now. We have conservatives/Libertarians in this thread supporting Harris and the Democrats.

Just because Musk has a cult following, doesn't mean he makes any sense, supports actual free speech, or isn't a megalomaniac.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I have no idea what you watched, but all I heard was a normal Politian that can speak in clear, complete sentences.

Vice President Harris, can you tell us one or two things you would do to reduce American families costs?

Let me start with this, I grew up in a neighborhood with lush lawns.

Fuck off. (Harris, not you)

A lush lawn is a sign of elitism?
I grew up in a blue collar neighborhood. Most had nice lawns. It was a matter of pride. My Dad was obsessed with our yard.

Harris was asked to name a couple of things she would do to reduce costs for American families. She didn't answer the question, she served up a word salad.

I got rid of my lawn a few years ago. It wasn't particularly nice, lots of weeds. Lawns in Southern California are not appropriate.

What realistic proposal has The Felon made?? Nothing.

What did we see in his prior term? His change to the standard deduction put some money in our pocket--that promptly went back out because he was messing with the ACA causing my insurance to go up.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Wrong on all counts.
1. America lost industrial jobs because our government wanted this. They could have easily kept our high value manufacturing with the proper tax structure. But our government was purchased by the oligarchy to screw out domestic labor that already was in place. Unions are completely ineffective if a corporation can simply move out. Either the democrats or republicans could have prevented this.

A "proper" tax structure? That would have driven the price of goods up considerably--and wouldn't have worked anyway as the majority of job loss is to machinery, not imports. I was working for a factory--and saw that as we brought in tools and software the output per worker went up considerably. Nobody "lost" a job because we grew rather than reduce the labor force--but I'm sure there were job losses at competitors as we became the big player in the local market.

2. Health care is expensive because the pharmaceutical oligarchy can make more profits this way. They have purchased our government to make sure this continues.

Pharmaceuticals are 9.1% (2022) of healthcare spending at least by Google's summary.

3. America does not have a lot of jobs and we are trending the wrong direction. China has surpassed the US in GDP. Furthermore, we don't really want just a lot of jobs what we want is a lot of good jobs that can provide good incomes.

China has surpassed our GDP, but is nowhere near our per capita GDP and China has gotten itself into a pretty bad position in doing so--producing for the sake of producing, resulting in overcapacity.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

As I recall, Trump was not holding any sort of government office when this bill came up yet somehow he killed it. And as I also recall, while the bill was addressing the border and having that title, it was not actually accomplishing anything productive to that end that could not be instantly done at the executive level.

He killed it through political power, not with a veto.

In any case, it is an error on your part to call me a Trump fan which I am not. He has brought a lot of populous ideas forward but was terrible in the execution of any of it excepting his trade agreements. He never was nor is a politician.

What did he do well with trade? Trade wars hurt everyone.

Say what you would like about the maligniant narcissists making empty promises, at least they do us the service by informing the public of government stealth which goes by everyday. Trump's story of the dogs and cat lunacy was entertainment to laugh at but also served the purpose just how bad our borders have become.

So you're admitting you're using something that you acknowledge isn't true as evidence??

 

[Harry Bosch]

In Australia, the pets eat the illegal aliens.

Could you please send us a couple of thousand to deploy on our southern border?

The border bill would have done this! But Trump didn’t like this.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Measuring GDP at Purchasing Power Parity (PPP) accounts for price level differences and typically has a large impact when comparing wealthy countries to developing countries. China’s nominal GDP is the second-largest after the United States, but measured at PPP, China’s GDP is larger than that of the United States.

It occurs to me that China's PPP don't feel right.

It used to be that things were a lot cheaper. But by the last time we went there that was for the most part not true anymore.