The Democrats are becoming the Republicans and the Republicans are becoming the Democrats

[pood]

More: It was Biden who pulled U.S. troops out of Afghanistan, ending that Neocon/Republican misadventure, not Trump, even though Trump had four years to do it, and didn’t.

So again, what are you talking about?

 

[Patooka]

Look no further than Mit Romney, the complete screwing existing workers in pursuit of his obscene profits.

Like you give a flying fuck about the working class.

 

[Patooka]

. Biden has started no wars during his time in office.

Ukraine and giving away tons if support to Israel who arguably can afford war better than the US right now.

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Well that's complete horseshit. The first time the Russian military openly attacked Ukraine was in 2018.

Kerch Strait incident - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Who was President in 2018 again?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

. Biden has started no wars during his time in office.

Ukraine and giving away tons if support to Israel who arguably can afford war better than the US right now.

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Well that's complete horseshit. The first time the Russian military openly attacked Ukraine was in 2018.

Kerch Strait incident - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Who was President in 2018 again?

Lest we forget the Zelenskyy call... where Trump was attempting to get a favor from Zelenskyy in exchange for the Congressional approved military funding

 

[Patooka]

Lest we forget the Zelenskyy call... where Trump was attempting to get a favor from Zelenskyy in exchange for the Congressional approved military funding

Which was basically giving Putin the green light to go ahead and invade. But hey, blame Brandon amirite?

Seriously RVonse, you need to stop listening to Jimmy Dore. I fucking guarantee his Tenet moment will be coming.

 

[laughing dog]

Mitt Romney is a Republican.

Who is joining up with Axulus et all with the Democrats now.

To oppose the election of Donald Trump. Why do you feel opposing Donald Trump's election necessarily means everyone opposing Trump is a neocon?

 

[laughing dog]

. Biden has started no wars during his time in office.

Ukraine and giving away tons if support to Israel who arguably can afford war better than the US right now.

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Certainly Israel disagrees with that. And if Ukraine did give tons of support to Israel, so what? It means the US had to give less. Really, you are not making much sense here.

 

[RVonse]

. Biden has started no wars during his time in office.

Ukraine and giving away tons if support to Israel who arguably can afford war better than the US right now.

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Certainly Israel disagrees with that. And if Ukraine did give tons of support to Israel, so what? It means the US had to give less. Really, you are not making much sense here.

Should have been more clear and wrote:

"Ukraine and the US giving away tons of support to Israel who arguably can afford war better than the US right now." Israel debt to GDP is only 57% (a little high but acceptable), the US debt to GDP is 124% (which is horrible). The US should be on street corners in Israel with a cup in hand panhandling for charity, not the other way around.

 

[ZiprHead]

Voting for the GOP to reduce deficits, based on the GOP's historical performance going all the way back to Reagan, is about as wise as trusting the wolf to guard the henhouse. Reagan, HW Bush, W Bush, Trump all had large deficits.

Trump's deficits were nearly $1 trillion a year before the pandemic.

8.4 Trillion under Trump. 4.3 Trillion under Biden. Almost half of Trump's debt.

 

[ZiprHead]

. Biden has started no wars during his time in office.

Ukraine and giving away tons if support to Israel who arguably can afford war better than the US right now.

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Certainly Israel disagrees with that. And if Ukraine did give tons of support to Israel, so what? It means the US had to give less. Really, you are not making much sense here.

I don't think he meant Ukraine was giving Israel support. I think he meant we are giving aid to Ukraine AND Israel.

 

[Ford]

Lest we forget the Zelenskyy call... where Trump was attempting to get a favor from Zelenskyy in exchange for the Congressional approved military funding

Which was basically giving Putin the green light to go ahead and invade. But hey, blame Brandon amirite?

Seriously RVonse, you need to stop listening to Jimmy Dore. I fucking guarantee his Tenet moment will be coming.

The thing that cracks me up is that right wingers think the reason Putin didn't invade Ukraine during Trump's term was because he was somehow "afraid" of Donnie. That fear kept him from stepping over that line, and that he "pounced" when Biden showed up and showed "weakness."

Dude, seriously? Putin is a former KGB agent who managed to rise to the Presidency of Russia through machinations that would make Trump's head hurt. He routinely has his rivals, critics, and opponents murdered. He is rich in a way Trump can't even begin to grasp, and ruthless in the same way. He is not afraid of Trump. He sees him as a useful idiot. As do a few other authoritarians and dictators like MBS, Xi, and Orban. Putin would fucking love it if Trump got back in the White House, because he can just ask him to stop sending weapons to Ukraine, and the idiot will comply.

 

[Patooka]

The thing that cracks me up is that right wingers think the reason Putin didn't invade Ukraine during Trump's term was because he was somehow "afraid" of Donnie. That fear kept him from stepping over that line, and that he "pounced" when Biden showed up and showed "weakness."

"Way"



Trump's brain has devolved back to the 90s.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Whereas today, foreign intervention is unthinkable. Could you even imagine what it would look like if Trump was being covertly funded by, for example, the Russian or North Korean governments?

Oh, wait.

shit

Doesn't even need to be covertly funded. Russia is clearly running a pretty major disinformation campaign against the US and the internet has made it vastly easier and thus vastly bigger.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I am pretty sure you have no clue what a neocon really is because neither Auxulus nor moderate republicans are neocons.

At least WW1 and WW2 were about winning, taking spoils, and resetting nations again. They were wars according to our Constitution decided by our congress. You and the neocons just want the executive branch to crap around the world pretending to be protectors while you bankrupt the US financing needless violence that can not ever be won or resolved.

The US did not enter WWI nor WWII to take spoils. What are you going on about now?

The US and Russia took all the best scientists to develope rocketry and the a bomb. Countries and territories were divided and renamed. The US dollar became the defacto reserve currency. Israel was created, etc.

Just because something happened as a result of doing something doesn't mean that something was the intended objective, or even that it was known about.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The US and Russia took all the best scientists to develope rocketry and the a bomb. The US dollar became the defacto reserve currency. Israel was created, etc.

You confuse outcomes with aims. The US did not enter WWII in order to become the defacto reserve currency or take all the best rocket scientists. The development of the atomic bomb was not the result of WWII spoils.

Your views seem to be driven by factual inaccuracy.

The axis was in it for the spoils even if some of the Allies weren't.

So what? That in no way supports your position.

In war somebody is always in it for the spoils in some form, but that doesn't mean everyone in the war is in it for spoils. Very often the other side simply doesn't want to be the spoils.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The differences in outcome - from the exact same starting point, in two adjacent polities, with the exact same culture, language, attitudes, history, and heritage - were so stark that even the dullest student should be able to see that what the British, French, and American victors did was utterly different from, and VASTLY more successful in every way than, what the Soviet victors did.

Yup. Berlin, 1975. Crossing from west to east and then back to west was extremely eye-opening. And west was already eye-opening after having spent about a month behind the Iron Curtain.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Cheney is voting Democrat now. He has Democrat values for the endless wars the Democrats stand for.

So I ask again. I helped Cheney out with his retirement, would it not be the do gooder opportunity for the neocons and Democrats to help me out with my retirement? After all, social security is supposed to be ill funded for the future and Cheney et all would have the funds to help.

Alternative hypothesis: He doesn't agree with how the GOP has gone into the loony bin.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

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The question to ask you is how in the heck is a vote for Trump going to fix your problems.

He won't. In fact, no one person can or will solve America's decline at this point.

The best we might hope for is to not make our problems any worse than they are. To at least get out of the needless endless wars as a first step. To not double the deficit more trillions in the future.

And that's not much but it is more than we have looking forward with a Biden/Harris platform right now.

The chart has been presented here already. Note how the curve always inflects up under Republican presidents and inflects down under Democrat ones. The effect is even more pronounced when you attribute the budget to the president that was in power when it was passed.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Cheney is voting Democrat now. He has Democrat values for the endless wars the Democrats stand for.

So I ask again. I helped Cheney out with his retirement, would it not be the do gooder opportunity for the neocons and Democrats to help me out with my retirement? After all, social security is supposed to be ill funded for the future and Cheney et all would have the funds to help.

Obama got us out of Iraq and Biden got us out of Afganistan. The US started no wars under Biden. What are you going on about?

Your hero Pootey, which Trump supports, wants endless wars.

Ukraine happened. The Democrats are the source of all wars. Therefore Biden caused Ukraine.

 

[pood]

Cheney is voting Democrat now. He has Democrat values for the endless wars the Democrats stand for.

So I ask again. I helped Cheney out with his retirement, would it not be the do gooder opportunity for the neocons and Democrats to help me out with my retirement? After all, social security is supposed to be ill funded for the future and Cheney et all would have the funds to help.

Alternative hypothesis: He doesn't agree with how the GOP has gone into the loony bin.

That’s right. RVonse seems to implying that because Cheney supports Harris, Harris and the Democrats are now suddenly all Cheney supporters, a non sequitur to say the least.

I think Dick Cheney is opposing Trump because Trump wants an “America-First” almost complete withdrawal from the world, including NATO, which would be a very bad thing. Cheney, of course, wants America to dominate the world, also a bad thing, but clearly to Cheney what Harris wants is less bad than what Trump wants.

Also, it seems to be that Cheney is a rare principled Republican in that, whatever else you may think of him or his policies, he really does oppose a losing presidential candidate of whatever political party staging an attempted coup.