The DNC is the problem. Or is it?

[PyramidHead]

Kim is mostly loved by the DPRK.

I'm sure that if you lived there, you would "love" him exactly that much.
Or be tortured until you did.

Human Rights Watch (another agency of oppression, I'm sure)

Unironically, yes.

 

[PyramidHead]

Authoritarianism isn't the way to socialism. It creates a new bourgeoisie class.

... and rumor has it that in NK, people are not "mostly" in that class. In fact, "most" people in NK are starved to the point where the entire population is physically stunted and "most" are treated in a manner that would be illegal to treat dogs or horses in the USA. I'm a little shocked that PH, for all the righteous abstract philosophical preaching against "the oppressors", actually supports so many of them.

World Life Expectancy statistics on malnutrition deaths per 100,000 has DPRK at 1.01, about a 10% improvement since 2017, and less than France, which is at 2.17

 

[Elixir]

Authoritarianism isn't the way to socialism. It creates a new bourgeoisie class.

... and rumor has it that in NK, people are not "mostly" in that class. In fact, "most" people in NK are starved to the point where the entire population is physically stunted and "most" are treated in a manner that would be illegal to treat dogs or horses in the USA. I'm a little shocked that PH, for all the righteous abstract philosophical preaching against "the oppressors", actually supports so many of them.

World Life Expectancy statistics on malnutrition deaths per 100,000 has DPRK at 1.01, about a 10% improvement since 2017, and less than France, which is at 2.17

I suppose they went to NK and counted? Or maybe they exchanged some love letters with Kim before accepting whatever his henchmen told them?

 

[PyramidHead]

World Life Expectancy statistics on malnutrition deaths per 100,000 has DPRK at 1.01, about a 10% improvement since 2017, and less than France, which is at 2.17

I suppose they went to NK and counted? Or maybe they exchanged some love letters with Kim before accepting whatever his henchmen told them?

So, I just gave you a source that debunked your (unsourced) claim, and your reply is basically that no sources about DPRK are credible. Do you see why that's a problem when grownups want to talk about the world?

 

[southernhybrid]

It is a bit disturbing that anyone would try and defend NK's leadership, and we are off topic. But, as a long time member of Amnesty International, a non profit organization that defends political prisoners, I thought I'd add how they view NK.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/countrie.../report-korea-democratic-peoples-republic-of/

The authorities continued to impose severe restrictions on freedom of movement and access to information. Widespread and systematic controls over the daily lives of people and frequent pressing of the public into labour mobilizations severely affected the enjoyment of human rights. Foreign media reported several public executions. People in detention experienced torture and other ill-treatment and harsh conditions. The government continued to expand engagement with the international community including participating in the third UN Universal Periodic Review of its human rights record.[1] However, authorities have still not allowed the Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea to visit.[2]

I am concerned about anyone who seems to believe that the NK leadership is anything but cruel, despotic and corrupt.

I'm not going to argue about this. It's long been known that NK treats its citizens cruelly. The evidence is overwhelming and AI is one of the more objective non profit organizations when it comes to reporting human rights abuses. It's even criticized many things that go on in the US.

But, perhaps a discussion of how communism impacts the countries that have adopted it as a form of government should be discussed in a different thread. I've never seen it work out well. Might sound good on paper, not so much in reality.

 

[PyramidHead]

It is a bit disturbing that anyone would try and defend NK's leadership, and we are off topic. But, as a long time member of Amnesty International, a non profit organization that defends political prisoners, I thought I'd add how they view NK.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/countrie.../report-korea-democratic-peoples-republic-of/

The authorities continued to impose severe restrictions on freedom of movement and access to information. Widespread and systematic controls over the daily lives of people and frequent pressing of the public into labour mobilizations severely affected the enjoyment of human rights. Foreign media reported several public executions. People in detention experienced torture and other ill-treatment and harsh conditions. The government continued to expand engagement with the international community including participating in the third UN Universal Periodic Review of its human rights record.[1] However, authorities have still not allowed the Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea to visit.[2]

I am concerned about anyone who seems to believe that the NK leadership is anything but cruel, despotic and corrupt.

I'm not going to argue about this. It's long been known that NK treats its citizens cruelly. The evidence is overwhelming and AI is one of the more objective non profit organizations when it comes to reporting human rights abuses. It's even criticized many things that go on in the US.

But, perhaps a discussion of how communism impacts the countries that have adopted it as a form of government should be discussed in a different thread. I've never seen it work out well. Might sound good on paper, not so much in reality.

Good morning, please look past the veneer of what western NGOs like AI present to the world:

https://www.mintpressnews.com/amnes...collaboration-with-uk-us-intelligence/253939/

 

[Rhea]

It’s okay to refrain from derailing.

 

[Keith&Co.]

It’s okay to refrain from derailing.

It is?
Are you sure?
Should we maybe spend some time to talk about derailing?

 

[Rhea]

This is Bernie being someone who doesn’t know how to biuld a coalition. It’s very disappointing. I like him better than Biden, but this is divisive shit and he’s a fool for doing it.

From electoral-vote.com

If Sanders is not going to get new voters to the polls, then his alternative is to convince existing voters to support him. That is to say, to make gains among moderates, independents, and NeverTrump Republicans. Thus far, however, the Senator is not doing much to bring other demographics into the tent. We've written, for example, about his decision to identify as an independent, rather than as a Democrat. The good news about this is that it affirms his outsider status to his base. The bad news is that it affirms his outsider status to mainstream Democrats. Similarly, Sanders often belittles those Democrats who are not as far left as his base, slurring them as "corporate Democrats" or "the establishment" or "neoliberals." Those sorts of statements, in fact, comprised the bulk of the Senator's speech to supporters on Tuesday night. That's not a good way to win over new supporters, and his negative tone was so obvious that even outspoken Sanders supporter (and CNN pundit) Van Jones commented on it, noting that such remarks are "not going to grow your movement."

Saying he’s going to “take on the political establishment” that he wants at his back for the election. Because if he didn’t want that political establishment for himself, he wouldn’t bother run as a democrat.

But his words are damaging the establishment that he’s expecting to use.

It’s stupid and shortsighted and it shows that the DNC is not the problem, it’s the prize,

 

[marc]

This is Bernie being someone who doesn’t know how to biuld a coalition. It’s very disappointing. I like him better than Biden, but this is divisive shit and he’s a fool for doing it.

From electoral-vote.com

If Sanders is not going to get new voters to the polls, then his alternative is to convince existing voters to support him. That is to say, to make gains among moderates, independents, and NeverTrump Republicans. Thus far, however, the Senator is not doing much to bring other demographics into the tent. We've written, for example, about his decision to identify as an independent, rather than as a Democrat. The good news about this is that it affirms his outsider status to his base. The bad news is that it affirms his outsider status to mainstream Democrats. Similarly, Sanders often belittles those Democrats who are not as far left as his base, slurring them as "corporate Democrats" or "the establishment" or "neoliberals." Those sorts of statements, in fact, comprised the bulk of the Senator's speech to supporters on Tuesday night. That's not a good way to win over new supporters, and his negative tone was so obvious that even outspoken Sanders supporter (and CNN pundit) Van Jones commented on it, noting that such remarks are "not going to grow your movement."

Saying he’s going to “take on the political establishment” that he wants at his back for the election. Because if he didn’t want that political establishment for himself, he wouldn’t bother run as a democrat.

But his words are damaging the establishment that he’s expecting to use.

It’s stupid and shortsighted and it shows that the DNC is not the problem, it’s the prize,

Bit of equivocation here. Trying to make 'Establishment Democrats' refer to democratic voters, when the term refers to party leaders and politicians that promise liberal policies and help to voters, but tend to deliver only what benefits the donors.

 

[PyramidHead]

This is Bernie being someone who doesn’t know how to biuld a coalition. It’s very disappointing. I like him better than Biden, but this is divisive shit and he’s a fool for doing it.

From electoral-vote.com

If Sanders is not going to get new voters to the polls, then his alternative is to convince existing voters to support him. That is to say, to make gains among moderates, independents, and NeverTrump Republicans. Thus far, however, the Senator is not doing much to bring other demographics into the tent. We've written, for example, about his decision to identify as an independent, rather than as a Democrat. The good news about this is that it affirms his outsider status to his base. The bad news is that it affirms his outsider status to mainstream Democrats. Similarly, Sanders often belittles those Democrats who are not as far left as his base, slurring them as "corporate Democrats" or "the establishment" or "neoliberals." Those sorts of statements, in fact, comprised the bulk of the Senator's speech to supporters on Tuesday night. That's not a good way to win over new supporters, and his negative tone was so obvious that even outspoken Sanders supporter (and CNN pundit) Van Jones commented on it, noting that such remarks are "not going to grow your movement."

Saying he’s going to “take on the political establishment” that he wants at his back for the election. Because if he didn’t want that political establishment for himself, he wouldn’t bother run as a democrat.

But his words are damaging the establishment that he’s expecting to use.

It’s stupid and shortsighted and it shows that the DNC is not the problem, it’s the prize,

Yeah, how dare he accurately describe the people who are opposed to his agenda and are doing everything in their power to prevent it from becoming a reality.

 

[Elixir]

This is Bernie being someone who doesn’t know how to biuld a coalition. It’s very disappointing. I like him better than Biden, but this is divisive shit and he’s a fool for doing it.

From electoral-vote.com

If Sanders is not going to get new voters to the polls, then his alternative is to convince existing voters to support him. That is to say, to make gains among moderates, independents, and NeverTrump Republicans. Thus far, however, the Senator is not doing much to bring other demographics into the tent. We've written, for example, about his decision to identify as an independent, rather than as a Democrat. The good news about this is that it affirms his outsider status to his base. The bad news is that it affirms his outsider status to mainstream Democrats. Similarly, Sanders often belittles those Democrats who are not as far left as his base, slurring them as "corporate Democrats" or "the establishment" or "neoliberals." Those sorts of statements, in fact, comprised the bulk of the Senator's speech to supporters on Tuesday night. That's not a good way to win over new supporters, and his negative tone was so obvious that even outspoken Sanders supporter (and CNN pundit) Van Jones commented on it, noting that such remarks are "not going to grow your movement."

Saying he’s going to “take on the political establishment” that he wants at his back for the election. Because if he didn’t want that political establishment for himself, he wouldn’t bother run as a democrat.

But his words are damaging the establishment that he’s expecting to use.

It’s stupid and shortsighted and it shows that the DNC is not the problem, it’s the prize,

Yeah, how dare he accurately describe the people who are opposed to his agenda and are doing everything in their power to prevent it from becoming a reality.

... while wooing them, yes.

 

[Koyaanisqatsi]

Yeah, how dare he accurately describe the people who are opposed to his agenda

His "agenda" IS the Democratic agenda. Not only are they identical--all of his grandstanding bullshit aside--he's even officially stated as such. It's even fucking notarized.

and are doing everything in their power to prevent it from becoming a reality.

It can't be him, so it must be an evil deep state conspiracy from the "establishment," right Mr. Trump? Of course right.

S.S.D.D.

 

[Jarhyn]

Yeah, how dare he accurately describe the people who are opposed to his agenda and are doing everything in their power to prevent it from becoming a reality.

... while wooing them, yes.

Speaking of wooing voters, we now have Biden, the man himself, threatening to fisticuffs with a voter, and calling them full of shit, and telling them "I'm not working for you, don't be such a horse's ass."

But sure, BERNIE OLD MAN TOXIC

 

[Koyaanisqatsi]

Yeah, how dare he accurately describe the people who are opposed to his agenda and are doing everything in their power to prevent it from becoming a reality.

... while wooing them, yes.

Speaking of wooing voters, we now have Biden, the man himself, threatening to fisticuffs with a voter, and calling them full of shit, and telling them "I'm not working for you, don't be such a horse's ass."

But sure, BERNIE OLD MAN TOXIC

 

[ZiprHead]

Well, that ought to give Derec a woody.

 

[Jarhyn]

Well, that ought to give Derec a woody.

It's like certain people WANT to lose this election. This is the way old people act when they start getting Alzheimer's disease: combative and lose their filter