The Eve of the Birth of a Space Baby is nine hours away! Rejoice!

[T.G.G. Moogly]

The Eve of the Birth of a Space Baby is nine hours away! Rejoice!

We are all be saved from the wrath of the space baby's father and so can live in peace forever with the father of the space baby. We don't have to live with the other space creature which will torture us for eternity.

I don't know abut you but I am soooo relieved to have this happen! I was so worried about that alien part of myself that wishes to be reunited with the space father but that might not be worthy.

But rejoice! The sacrificial space baby is about to be born and so we are all saved! Hallelujah!

 

[Politesse]

Are you under the misapprehension that talking like a toddler makes your "enemies" sound childish, rather than yourself?

Good luck with that, kiddo.

 

[blastula]

Jesus did fly off into space, it's pretty funny.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

Are you under the misapprehension that talking like a toddler makes your "enemies" sound childish, rather than yourself?

Good luck with that, kiddo.

Maybe both. Fire...fire and all that.

But honestly, isn't it a bit childish to think that there are invisible, magical, alien creatures having babies with our womenfolk? Does that not strike you as somewhat primitive, being abducted when we die and such? We're so feeble and superstitious?

From my house I have an unobstructed view of the solstice. There is a river valley and I am perched on the northern side so that the rising and setting of the sun on the horizon is something that cannot be missed. Tomorrow for the third day the sun will rise and set in the same points on the horizon. I get to see it all, and this morning was a spectacularly bright sunrise.

That over the millenia this natural observation had allowed my ancestors to invent myths and legends about magical space beings is pretty cool. I'm right there with them in being able to appreciate their beliefs.

Do you think the space baby really visited us, to save us?

 

[Politesse]

Are you under the misapprehension that talking like a toddler makes your "enemies" sound childish, rather than yourself?

Good luck with that, kiddo.

Maybe both. Fire...fire and all that.

But honestly, isn't it a bit childish to think that there are invisible, magical, alien creatures having babies with our womenfolk? Does that not strike you as somewhat primitive, being abducted when we die and such? We're so feeble and superstitious?

From my house I have an unobstructed view of the solstice. There is a river valley and I am perched on the northern side so that the rising and setting of the sun on the horizon is something that cannot be missed. Tomorrow for the third day the sun will rise and set in the same points on the horizon. I get to see it all, and this morning was a spectacularly bright sunrise.

That over the millenia this natural observation had allowed my ancestors to invent myths and legends about magical space beings is pretty cool. I'm right there with them in being able to appreciate their beliefs.

Do you think the space baby really visited us, to save us?

If God is God of anything, presumably her domain includes "space". Or did you think earth is the center of the universe?

 

[blastula]

If God is God of anything, presumably her domain includes "space". Or did you think earth is the center of the universe?

weak handwave.

 

[Politesse]

If God is God of anything, presumably her domain includes "space". Or did you think earth is the center of the universe?

weak handwave.

Handwave? I'm not the one talking about space aliens. I want to know what else one would possibly expect. Is there some rational reason why gods, if they existed, would be an exclusively terrestrial phenomenon?

 

[blastula]

No, you're playing games. The story says he flew off to heaven. Heaven is somewhere special that's unlike fallen earth. Yet space is just more of the same of what's down here.

 

[Politesse]

No, you're playing games. The story says he flew off to heaven. Heaven is somewhere special that's unlike fallen earth. Yet space is just more of the same of what's down here.

Whose story is that? I take it you haven't actually read the Bible. There's nothing there about heaven being "in space", though space itself is discussed a fair bit, and heaven a very little bit.

 

[blastula]

More games, bye.

 

[Politesse]

More games, bye.

Someone starts a disingenuous thread about magic space babies and you're convinced that the only person to respond seriously to the inquiry is the one playing "games"?

 

[fast]

Gee, I read the title and envisioned a Russian female astronaut having a baby born in space.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

Gee, I read the title and envisioned a Russian female astronaut having a baby born in space.

Given the human propensity for grandiosity and the knack for inventing myth it is not unlikely that such a person would achieve demigod status among some. We would eventually have a tale with unbelievable events, which of course would make them all the more believable for the so inclined.

Yes, Jesus did depart via the sky just like all good supernatural visitors, preceded by a brief descent into the lower realms, a somewhat less popular alien repository.

When I observe the behavior of the sun I am watching the god of many of my ancestors, if not all. If we had a healthy, visible population of sun worshipers I would no doubt be accused of some form of blasphemy. Fact is I really like the sun, and Jesus mythology is one example of its direct offspring. The religiously inclined never seem satisfied with the real deal and have to spin it into much woo, which somehow makes it more appealing. That human ability to pretend is likely our defining characteristic as a species.

 

[Politesse]

Seriously, where are we getting the idea that Jesus flew into space? How would he even breathe up there?

 

[abaddon]

Seriously, where are we getting the idea that Jesus flew into space? How would he even breathe up there?

Yes, exactly.

Mark 16:19
"So then, when the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, He was received up into heaven and sat down at the right hand of God."

Explain what is "up into heaven"? Give some details.

 

[Politesse]

Seriously, where are we getting the idea that Jesus flew into space? How would he even breathe up there?

Yes, exactly.

Mark 16:19
"So then, when the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, He was received up into heaven and sat down at the right hand of God."

Explain what is "up into heaven"? Give some details.

Space is not "up". There is no up, aside from relative direction. Most Christians I have ever apoken to understand heaven to be something more along the lines of a different plane of existence, not a physical place in high orbit. Mormons do have beliefs concerning other planets, I think. But I do not think they visualize Jesus as physically flying between them. If you have evidence to the contrary, perhaps this could be supplied?

 

[abaddon]

Seriously, where are we getting the idea that Jesus flew into space? How would he even breathe up there?

Yes, exactly.

Mark 16:19
"So then, when the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, He was received up into heaven and sat down at the right hand of God."

Explain what is "up into heaven"? Give some details.

Space is not "up". There is no up, aside from relative direction. Most Christians I have ever apoken to understand heaven to be something more along the lines of a different plane of existence, not a physical place in high orbit. Mormons do have beliefs concerning other planets, I think. But I do not think they visualize Jesus as physically flying between them. If you have evidence to the contrary, perhaps this could be supplied?

There are no details, are there? "Different plane of existence" = vacuous words. Even the "reasoned" explanations of the myths are more make-believe but with "bigger words" (the less concrete the imagery, the less unreasonable the myth will seem).

My evidence to the contrary is most Christians. Time and again, Christian believers pointing up at the sky when talking about God, or Jesus, or where they're going when they die, or where their passed-on loved ones are. Their "different plane of existence" is "up".

The intuitive notions of both heaven and space as being "upward" are silly. You're mocking the OP with the same mocking spirit of the OP. So you KNOW where the OP got the idea that Jesus flew into space. Therefore pretending you don't know is silly.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

Seriously, where are we getting the idea that Jesus flew into space? How would he even breathe up there?

Yes, exactly.

Mark 16:19
"So then, when the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, He was received up into heaven and sat down at the right hand of God."

Explain what is "up into heaven"? Give some details.

Space is not "up". There is no up, aside from relative direction. Most Christians I have ever apoken to understand heaven to be something more along the lines of a different plane of existence, not a physical place in high orbit. Mormons do have beliefs concerning other planets, I think. But I do not think they visualize Jesus as physically flying between them. If you have evidence to the contrary, perhaps this could be supplied?

'Jesus was taken up and a cloud received him out of their sight.'

Heaven is up in the sky. Heaven is where Jesus came from.

 

[Politesse]

Space is not "up". There is no up, aside from relative direction. Most Christians I have ever apoken to understand heaven to be something more along the lines of a different plane of existence, not a physical place in high orbit. Mormons do have beliefs concerning other planets, I think. But I do not think they visualize Jesus as physically flying between them. If you have evidence to the contrary, perhaps this could be supplied?

There are no details, are there? "Different plane of existence" = vacuous words. Even the "reasoned" explanations of the myths are more make-believe but with "bigger words" (the less concrete the imagery, the less unreasonable the myth will seem).

My evidence to the contrary is most Christians. Time and again, Christian believers pointing up at the sky when talking about God, or Jesus, or where they're going when they die, or where their passed-on loved ones are. Their "different plane of existence" is "up".

The intuitive notions of both heaven and space as being "upward" are silly. You're mocking the OP with the same mocking spirit of the OP. So you KNOW where the OP got the idea that Jesus flew into space. Therefore pretending you don't know is silly.

Except that no one has that idea.

I'm sure there was a time when many Christians thought of God's throne a being literally above them somewhere, but that time was before we knew anything about outer space. When our knowledge of the universe expanded, so did our cosmologies.

I have never once seen a Christian "point to the sky" when talking about death. Again, I would be interested to see your evidence that anyone actually believes what you claim everyone believes?

 

[abaddon]

Space is not "up". There is no up, aside from relative direction. Most Christians I have ever apoken to understand heaven to be something more along the lines of a different plane of existence, not a physical place in high orbit. Mormons do have beliefs concerning other planets, I think. But I do not think they visualize Jesus as physically flying between them. If you have evidence to the contrary, perhaps this could be supplied?

There are no details, are there? "Different plane of existence" = vacuous words. Even the "reasoned" explanations of the myths are more make-believe but with "bigger words" (the less concrete the imagery, the less unreasonable the myth will seem).

My evidence to the contrary is most Christians. Time and again, Christian believers pointing up at the sky when talking about God, or Jesus, or where they're going when they die, or where their passed-on loved ones are. Their "different plane of existence" is "up".

The intuitive notions of both heaven and space as being "upward" are silly. You're mocking the OP with the same mocking spirit of the OP. So you KNOW where the OP got the idea that Jesus flew into space. Therefore pretending you don't know is silly.

Except that no one has that idea.

I'm sure there was a time when many Christians thought of God's throne a being literally above them somewhere, but that time was before we knew anything about outer space. When our knowledge of the universe expanded, so did our cosmologies.

I have never once seen a Christian "point to the sky" when talking about death. Again, I would be interested to see your evidence that anyone actually believes what you claim everyone believes?

And you know changing it from your assertion about your experience, and my assertion about my experience, and making it a matter of who has the better evidence, means that you need to start putting forward evidence, right?